Bubba Question

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Well first question, does Yamaha even have a factory team? I know they supply him with a factory bike, but they don't pay any riders salaries like Honda or Suzuki etc. San Manual pays Bubba his giant salary, and is contracted to them not Yamaha right? If so, why doesn't he choose to ride a better bike, ie a Suzuki?
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stewart is the employee not employer. ask that to the team owner..s
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Karma wrote:
Well first question, does Yamaha even have a factory team? I know they supply him with a factory bike, but they don't pay any riders salaries...
Well first question, does Yamaha even have a factory team? I know they supply him with a factory bike, but they don't pay any riders salaries like Honda or Suzuki etc. San Manual pays Bubba his giant salary, and is contracted to them not Yamaha right? If so, why doesn't he choose to ride a better bike, ie a Suzuki?
You sure its a better bike? Or you just speculating...
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yeah, so according to your logic, if a pro doesn't win a championship on a bike, its not any good. C'mon dude. Dungey could have been on any bike this year and the outcome would have still been the same. At that level, any of the factories can tailor a bike to the rider. Stewart could ride a husky and still be a contender.

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9/30/2010 8:46pm Edited Date/Time 9/30/2010 8:46pm
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Yes it did.. It got the title of heaviest 450 for 2010!Laughing
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Doesn't mean its a bad bike or that the Suzuki is better. First year bikes have issues, just ask Millsaps and Short. A year under their belt and more testing and that bike is more then capable. Yamaha started with a brand new bike, no base setups to go off of nor did they have a ton of hours setting the thing up.


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calimxer91 wrote:
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yeah, so according to your logic, if a pro doesn't win a championship on a bike, its not any good. C'mon dude. Dungey could have been...
yeah, so according to your logic, if a pro doesn't win a championship on a bike, its not any good. C'mon dude. Dungey could have been on any bike this year and the outcome would have still been the same. At that level, any of the factories can tailor a bike to the rider. Stewart could ride a husky and still be a contender.
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Yes it did.. It got the title of heaviest 450 for 2010!
Yes it did.. It got the title of heaviest 450 for 2010!Laughing
Go check the weight for each 450 and I think you might change your tune
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Yes it did.. It got the title of heaviest 450 for 2010!
Yes it did.. It got the title of heaviest 450 for 2010!Laughing
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calimxer91 wrote:
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yeah, so according to your logic, if a pro doesn't win a championship on a bike, its not any good. C'mon dude. Dungey could have been...
yeah, so according to your logic, if a pro doesn't win a championship on a bike, its not any good. C'mon dude. Dungey could have been on any bike this year and the outcome would have still been the same. At that level, any of the factories can tailor a bike to the rider. Stewart could ride a husky and still be a contender.
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Observation...I mean other then Dungey how many suzukis where in the top ten this year? I believe the rider has more to do with it then just the bike. And with little setup time James did look slow and uneasy on the bike. Give it time
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calimxer91 wrote:
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yeah, so according to your logic, if a pro doesn't win a championship on a bike, its not any good. C'mon dude. Dungey could have been...
yeah, so according to your logic, if a pro doesn't win a championship on a bike, its not any good. C'mon dude. Dungey could have been on any bike this year and the outcome would have still been the same. At that level, any of the factories can tailor a bike to the rider. Stewart could ride a husky and still be a contender.
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Just curious, what do you mean by "differently"? I have one and have had many bikes the last 10 years and this bike is the best handling bike I have ever rode. Its funny because my last bike was a 09 crf450 and everyone talked shit about that bike also. I love it even though I am 6'3. I have let numerous people ride my bike and they all loved it. I think its more that everyone assumes that a new model will suck. As far as heaviness goes, you might want to check your numbers. I have seen different tests. One shootout lists the kx450's weight at 251 with gas and the yamaha's at 250, another lists the kawi at 113.5kg and the yamaha at 113. So its not the heaviest, they are all within a couple pounds, except the honda which is about 12 or so pounds lighter than them all. Just sayin..
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Karma wrote:
Well first question, does Yamaha even have a factory team? I know they supply him with a factory bike, but they don't pay any riders salaries...
Well first question, does Yamaha even have a factory team? I know they supply him with a factory bike, but they don't pay any riders salaries like Honda or Suzuki etc. San Manual pays Bubba his giant salary, and is contracted to them not Yamaha right? If so, why doesn't he choose to ride a better bike, ie a Suzuki?
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You sure its a better bike? Or you just speculating...
I know the Factories can do a lot obviously, primarily they can give the rider any kind of power and suspension they want, but each brand has unique characteristics, mainly due to the chassis ergos and wall thickness at various areas. Like Villo said, he knew Chad wouldn't like the Kaw becasue he is a technical rider. Different bikes suit different riders.
As for Suzuki being the best, its easy to see how both Reed last year, and Dungy this year could corner on a dime, its simply the best handling bike out there. They had a bike that was developed and tested by RC and they said he could tell the difference if you changed the suspension one click without telling him. He developed the bike and even got Suzuki to shave down certain areas of the frame for more flex to enhance handling! Thats illegal now, but too late, They got it done already.
Nothing is for certain, but I think its a pretty educated guess.
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9/30/2010 9:14pm Edited Date/Time 9/30/2010 9:19pm
CRF 450R..234.8 lbs

RMZ 450...248.0 lbs

KXF 450...247.1lbs

KTM 450 SX-F..230.6 lbs

YZF 450..249 lbs

KTM 350 SX-F..245 pounds

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Told you. So in theory, how can the ktm 350sxf handle like a 250 if it weighs as much as a 450? I don't get it.
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Told you. So in theory, how can the ktm 350sxf handle like a 250 if it weighs as much as a 450? I don't get it.
You told who?
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yeah, so according to your logic, if a pro doesn't win a championship on a bike, its not any good. C'mon dude. Dungey could have been...
yeah, so according to your logic, if a pro doesn't win a championship on a bike, its not any good. C'mon dude. Dungey could have been on any bike this year and the outcome would have still been the same. At that level, any of the factories can tailor a bike to the rider. Stewart could ride a husky and still be a contender.
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Just curious, what do you mean by "differently"? I have one and have had many bikes the last 10 years and this bike is the best...
Just curious, what do you mean by "differently"? I have one and have had many bikes the last 10 years and this bike is the best handling bike I have ever rode. Its funny because my last bike was a 09 crf450 and everyone talked shit about that bike also. I love it even though I am 6'3. I have let numerous people ride my bike and they all loved it. I think its more that everyone assumes that a new model will suck. As far as heaviness goes, you might want to check your numbers. I have seen different tests. One shootout lists the kx450's weight at 251 with gas and the yamaha's at 250, another lists the kawi at 113.5kg and the yamaha at 113. So its not the heaviest, they are all within a couple pounds, except the honda which is about 12 or so pounds lighter than them all. Just sayin..
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CRF 450R..234.8 lbs

RMZ 450...248.0 lbs

KXF 450...247.1lbs

KTM 450 SX-F..230.6 lbs

YZF 450..249 lbs

KTM 350 SX-F..245 pounds

where are you gettin your numbers? if they are correct im impressed that the KTM450sx is the lightest when everyone thought the honda was and whats equally interesting is how MUCH the 350sx weighs holy cow!!!
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Told you. So in theory, how can the ktm 350sxf handle like a 250 if it weighs as much as a 450? I don't get it.
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You told who?
Not anyone in particular, just the people who said that it was the heaviest.
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CRF 450R..234.8 lbs

RMZ 450...248.0 lbs

KXF 450...247.1lbs

KTM 450 SX-F..230.6 lbs

YZF 450..249 lbs

KTM 350 SX-F..245 pounds

where are you gettin your numbers? if they are correct im impressed that the KTM450sx is the lightest when everyone thought the honda was and whats...
where are you gettin your numbers? if they are correct im impressed that the KTM450sx is the lightest when everyone thought the honda was and whats equally interesting is how MUCH the 350sx weighs holy cow!!!
Yeah, I didnt see that about the ktm 450sxf. That cant be right. I just know that I did read where the 350 is only a couple of pounds less than the 450.
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9/30/2010 9:48pm Edited Date/Time 9/30/2010 9:49pm
calimxer91 wrote:
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Just curious, what do you mean by "differently"? I have one and have had many bikes the last 10 years and this bike is the best...
Just curious, what do you mean by "differently"? I have one and have had many bikes the last 10 years and this bike is the best handling bike I have ever rode. Its funny because my last bike was a 09 crf450 and everyone talked shit about that bike also. I love it even though I am 6'3. I have let numerous people ride my bike and they all loved it. I think its more that everyone assumes that a new model will suck. As far as heaviness goes, you might want to check your numbers. I have seen different tests. One shootout lists the kx450's weight at 251 with gas and the yamaha's at 250, another lists the kawi at 113.5kg and the yamaha at 113. So its not the heaviest, they are all within a couple pounds, except the honda which is about 12 or so pounds lighter than them all. Just sayin..
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No, my crf was far from stock.The stock bike was super cramped for me. I had higher 22mm offset clamps, higher bars, a tall seat. lower footpegs and it was perfect. But that is what I am getting at, if I can spend a few hundred and get comfortable at an intermediate level, I know that any pro can get comfy on any bike with full factory support. Maybe the yamaha is better for taller riders because its the most stable bike I have ridden. James is short ya know. But I am a Honda guy at heart so when they change again, I will be back on a honda unless the new model is still cramped.
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http://motocrossactionmag.com/Main/News/2011-KTM-350SXF-TEST-THE-MOST-A…


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Q: WHAT DOES THE 2011 KTM 350SXF REALLY WEIGH?

A: KTM says that the 350SXF weighs 230.2 pounds, but on our scale it weighed 237 pounds (without gas—which is how they are weighed by the FIM and AMA). In a perfect world, the 2011 KTM 350SXF would weigh 220 pounds. Why? Because that is the minimum weight limit for a bike in the 450 AMA National class. Additionally, the inherent philosophy of building a mid-sized 350cc engine is that you can put it in a 250 frame and compensate for the loss of horsepower with a lower overall weight.

Q: WHERE DID THE WEIGHT COME FROM?

A: At 237 pounds, the 350SXF is not light. Why? Let’s assume that the typical 250F weighs 220 pounds. To make it into a 350SXF, you have to add in the beefed-up engine components, steel clutch basket, stronger frame and larger rear tire. That is conservatively about 6 pounds more. Next on the agenda is the fact that fuel-injected bikes typically weigh about 3 pounds more than a carbureted bike because of the electric fuel pump, thicker gas tank and added magnets of the magneto. Finally, KTM elected to mount an electric starter on the 350SXF. And, even though the KTM 350SXF starter motor is slightly smaller than the 450SXF unit, there are still the issues of the battery, starter gear and starter itself. All this weighs about 5 more pounds (because you get to deduct the weight of the kickstarter, kickstarter gear and idler gear). The total weight gain is 14 pounds. When you add 14 pounds to 220 pounds, you get a ballpark figure of 234 pounds. By this calculation, the 2011 KTM 350SXF is about 3 pounds heavier than it should be.

For comparison, the 2011 KTM 450SXF weighs 242 pounds. The 5 extra pounds are attributed to the 450’s larger cases, bigger crank and longer frame rails.
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Are we seriously discussing weight again without taking into consideration Yamaha's mass centralization (the whole freakin hype behind the bike) and the KTM 350SXF's ability to handle better than a 450 BECAUSE there is less force in the motor working against the rider compared to a 450? Why is it that no one ever wants to grasp those ideas and just talk about numbers on a scale? Jeez, its getting old now, weight is not the be all end all OKAY! Weight placement in the chassis, and motor size will make bigger impacts when actually riding the bike, unless you are just buying your bike to put on a scale, a lot of those numbers mean nothing performance/handling wise.....yes the honda is light, but are you going to be faster on it? give me a break, it doesn't work like that....
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And you guys are comparing stock weights. If you think there's not a liberal sprinkling of lighter than stock parts thrown at his bike, you're sadly mistaken.
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And you guys are comparing stock weights. If you think there's not a liberal sprinkling of lighter than stock parts thrown at his bike, you're sadly...
And you guys are comparing stock weights. If you think there's not a liberal sprinkling of lighter than stock parts thrown at his bike, you're sadly mistaken.
I agree, I would love to see what Bubba's fo-fiddy weighs. As well as the rest of the factory 450's
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mx295 wrote:
Yes it did.. It got the title of heaviest 450 for 2010!
Yes it did.. It got the title of heaviest 450 for 2010!Laughing
It had to at least won the most expensive aftermarket exhaust price award.

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