47 sec. lap time is so bullshit

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Edited Date/Time 2/10/2013 2:15pm
Time for timed mains, not laps.
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Feldspar 2/9/2013 3:14pm
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Especially in a football stadium.
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Feint 2/9/2013 3:16pm
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It happens. Sometimes the track is going to be fast and easy, that's the way it goes.
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gonemoto 2/9/2013 3:32pm
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jtomasik wrote:
Then don't watch it.
Great answer! Way to contribute. Are you saying 20 minutes + 2 would be a bad thing? Just spit ballen ideas here

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I was thinking.... interesting to add a off chamber bowl turn in SX. Will slow down the riders
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jtomasik wrote:
Then don't watch it.
gonemoto wrote:
Great answer! Way to contribute. Are you saying 20 minutes + 2 would be a bad thing? Just spit ballen ideas here
Don't know about you, but after years of putting up with waiting a week or two to see the TV coverage, then half the time getting bumped because some women's basketball game runs overtime, then not seeing the race at all, I'm just damn happy to get a few live events. Ain't gonna complain.
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gonemoto 2/9/2013 4:00pm
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jtomasik wrote:
Then don't watch it.
gonemoto wrote:
Great answer! Way to contribute. Are you saying 20 minutes + 2 would be a bad thing? Just spit ballen ideas here
jtomasik wrote:
Don't know about you, but after years of putting up with waiting a week or two to see the TV coverage, then half the time getting...
Don't know about you, but after years of putting up with waiting a week or two to see the TV coverage, then half the time getting bumped because some women's basketball game runs overtime, then not seeing the race at all, I'm just damn happy to get a few live events. Ain't gonna complain.
I'm not one of the people that complains about the coverage. Live, next day are both great. I remember being stoked to watch motoworld and ABC's superbikers. What stinks is putting out a bunch of coin to go to the race and feeling short changed on actual racing. No more semi's and 46 or 47 second lap times makes for a short race night. Especially when I drive 8 hours one way, hotel, tickets and on and on.
Again, what do you think about 20 min. + 2?
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mojoman42 2/9/2013 4:16pm
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What's bullshit is that there's such an easy way to fix it. If they made the mains 20 min +2, the lap times wouldn't matter.
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gonemoto 2/9/2013 4:21pm
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What's bullshit is that there's such an easy way to fix it. If they made the mains 20 min +2, the lap times wouldn't matter.
Finally! Thank you. You, me, same page
CraCKerJacK 2/9/2013 4:24pm
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-Or just make it 25-30 laps, since 90+ percent of the tracks are sub 1 minute laps. They could always modify it for Daytona. But I agree, this 8 lap heats and 20 lap mains is getting old. These athletes nowadays could run another 5 minutes in the heats and 5-10 minutes in the mains without issue.
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jtomasik 2/9/2013 4:32pm
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gonemoto wrote:
I'm not one of the people that complains about the coverage. Live, next day are both great. I remember being stoked to watch motoworld and ABC's...
I'm not one of the people that complains about the coverage. Live, next day are both great. I remember being stoked to watch motoworld and ABC's superbikers. What stinks is putting out a bunch of coin to go to the race and feeling short changed on actual racing. No more semi's and 46 or 47 second lap times makes for a short race night. Especially when I drive 8 hours one way, hotel, tickets and on and on.
Again, what do you think about 20 min. + 2?
I hear ya'. But, we don't get SX's here anymore, so I don't feel that pain.

Personally, I'd rather see each class do two 12 lap motos. Usually, most of the racing happens in the first part of the race anyway.
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gonemoto 2/9/2013 4:57pm
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jtomasik wrote:
I hear ya'. But, we don't get SX's here anymore, so I don't feel that pain. Personally, I'd rather see each class do two 12 lap...
I hear ya'. But, we don't get SX's here anymore, so I don't feel that pain.

Personally, I'd rather see each class do two 12 lap motos. Usually, most of the racing happens in the first part of the race anyway.
I can see that working. Double the starts, double the fun. When they got rid of the semis, the fans got less racing. Time for a change. Someone needs to start a petition. Not me. I'm to lazy
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jtomasik 2/9/2013 5:08pm
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I can see that working. Double the starts, double the fun. When they got rid of the semis, the fans got less racing. Time for a...
I can see that working. Double the starts, double the fun. When they got rid of the semis, the fans got less racing. Time for a change. Someone needs to start a petition. Not me. I'm to lazy
Reed would like the two-start system....lol.
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gonemoto 2/9/2013 5:16pm
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jtomasik wrote:
Reed would like the two-start system....lol.
The 22 would not be down with that setup for sure
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Choppy 2/9/2013 5:19pm
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jtomasik wrote:
Then don't watch it.
gonemoto wrote:
Great answer! Way to contribute. Are you saying 20 minutes + 2 would be a bad thing? Just spit ballen ideas here
jtomasik wrote:
Don't know about you, but after years of putting up with waiting a week or two to see the TV coverage, then half the time getting...
Don't know about you, but after years of putting up with waiting a week or two to see the TV coverage, then half the time getting bumped because some women's basketball game runs overtime, then not seeing the race at all, I'm just damn happy to get a few live events. Ain't gonna complain.
What does TV covearge have to do with Dirt Wurx inability to use the entire field?

Two separate things no?
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jtomasik 2/9/2013 5:26pm
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gonemoto wrote:
Great answer! Way to contribute. Are you saying 20 minutes + 2 would be a bad thing? Just spit ballen ideas here
jtomasik wrote:
Don't know about you, but after years of putting up with waiting a week or two to see the TV coverage, then half the time getting...
Don't know about you, but after years of putting up with waiting a week or two to see the TV coverage, then half the time getting bumped because some women's basketball game runs overtime, then not seeing the race at all, I'm just damn happy to get a few live events. Ain't gonna complain.
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What does TV covearge have to do with Dirt Wurx inability to use the entire field?

Two separate things no?
Not to me. I'm in a great mood just because I get live SX, so I have no complaints. Maybe I need to study modern psychology and understand why...lol.
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Choppy 2/9/2013 5:29pm
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jtomasik wrote:
Don't know about you, but after years of putting up with waiting a week or two to see the TV coverage, then half the time getting...
Don't know about you, but after years of putting up with waiting a week or two to see the TV coverage, then half the time getting bumped because some women's basketball game runs overtime, then not seeing the race at all, I'm just damn happy to get a few live events. Ain't gonna complain.
Choppy wrote:
What does TV covearge have to do with Dirt Wurx inability to use the entire field?

Two separate things no?
jtomasik wrote:
Not to me. I'm in a great mood just because I get live SX, so I have no complaints. Maybe I need to study modern psychology...
Not to me. I'm in a great mood just because I get live SX, so I have no complaints. Maybe I need to study modern psychology and understand why...lol.
I could take a much lower blow if I felt like lowering myself to your level.

I guess for some of us we understand that TV coverage and Dirt Wurx are two different things.

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You would think 20 minutes plus two laps would even help with the TV coverage as they would know exactly how long the races would last
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40Plus_922mx 2/9/2013 5:34pm
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Yes low lap times suck. Being challenged to make a track with long lap times (1:00 being the goal) is such a hassle. The simple solution is going to 250's 15 min +2, and 450 20 min + 2 is just way too easy. Why is there even a debate about it anymore. Just fix the dang thing and be done with it.
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gonemoto wrote:
I'm not one of the people that complains about the coverage. Live, next day are both great. I remember being stoked to watch motoworld and ABC's...
I'm not one of the people that complains about the coverage. Live, next day are both great. I remember being stoked to watch motoworld and ABC's superbikers. What stinks is putting out a bunch of coin to go to the race and feeling short changed on actual racing. No more semi's and 46 or 47 second lap times makes for a short race night. Especially when I drive 8 hours one way, hotel, tickets and on and on.
Again, what do you think about 20 min. + 2?
jtomasik wrote:
I hear ya'. But, we don't get SX's here anymore, so I don't feel that pain. Personally, I'd rather see each class do two 12 lap...
I hear ya'. But, we don't get SX's here anymore, so I don't feel that pain.

Personally, I'd rather see each class do two 12 lap motos. Usually, most of the racing happens in the first part of the race anyway.
This^^^^^

They need to make some changes....kind of like what the AX series just did. I'm thinking a double moto with a joker lane is EXACTLY what the supercross series needs.

They already did away with the semi's.......which sucks for the fans.....so bring something else to the plate.

Don't get me wrong......I love watching the races.....and I really love the live shows.....but they could make it even better if they were to use their imagination a little.
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Zoom 2/9/2013 5:59pm
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47 second lap times in a 20 lap main event is about a 15 minute moto, for the 450 class.

47 second lap time in a 15 lap main event is about a 12 lap main.

That simply is not a good product. Especially for the live spectators at the event. The 450 main will be done before 10PM. Again, its not a good product.

Since lap times vary from track to track, the obvious answer is what was stated earlier, 20 minutes plus 2 laps for the 450's and 15 minutes plus 2 laps for the 250's.

Its a real easy fix.

Going to a 2 moto main is not a good idea. Its easier for the general public to understand that the rider that comes across the finish line 1st is the winner. Instead of the rider that finished 3rd the first moto and 2nd in the 2nd moto got the overall, because both of the winners of the motos had bad finishes in the other moto that they did not win.
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gonemoto 2/9/2013 6:15pm
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To bad DC doesn't have some pull in Supercross. Actually, who does have the means to change things in this series? It's a pretty easy fix and as already stated, would probably help in the area of live tv. Get er done
Track and Trail 2/9/2013 6:20pm
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There is good and sound reasoning behind using laps instead of time to determine the length of the races.

I'm someone knows what that reason is right?

Heh heh, funny eh?


Btw this topic is so amazingly re-re-re-rehashed that it has officially become ridiculous. Someone please tell me why laps should continue to be used. If there is an ounce of logic in the response, then may this topic die a quick and painless death - and never ever ever return.
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JW381 2/9/2013 6:21pm
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I agree; the tracks are too easy, not enough floor space being used, and the archaic 20 lap mains apply to 2013 Supercross racing about as much as the "no paddle tire" rule.

I had a great time on my road trip to Oakland SX, but I can't imagine how the general fan who shows up before opening ceremonies can justify spending so much for a few short heats, and a less than 20 minute main event. I feel I got my money's worth by watching practice, but most fans don't watch practice. They're there for the race, and that's all.

Quick attempt at mathz here: 2(7minute heats) + 2(5 minute heats) + 1(5 minute LCQ) + 1(4 minute LCQ) + 1(12 minute main) + 1(15 minute main) = 60 minutes of total (estimated) race time. That's less than two motos of one class at an outdoor national.

I get the allure of the big stadiums 100%, but half the racing product seems a bit absurd.

I know it sounds insane, but I honestly think longer mains and a little bit of "pit strategy" or a "joker lane" type addition would make the final racing longer and more interesting. That, and the obvious choice of better track designs.

/rant - can't wait to watch the racing live on SPEED regardless!!!
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BAMX 2/9/2013 6:22pm
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They aren't using the football layout. The baseball seats are in on the West side total bullshit
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Toste 2/9/2013 6:22pm
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Overall scoring is not mandatory for multiple main events. World Superbike does fine without it. Pretty much everyone who gives a crap would just pay attention to individual race wins and championship points anyway (like in MX). Monster truck fan guy and his cletus family are just there to see someone get maimed, so it doesn't really matter to him either.

No matter the format, the races should definitely be done by time rather than laps. Can't believe that change wasn't made long ago.
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JW381 2/9/2013 6:29pm
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Toste wrote:
Overall scoring is not mandatory for multiple main events. World Superbike does fine without it. Pretty much everyone who gives a crap would just pay attention...
Overall scoring is not mandatory for multiple main events. World Superbike does fine without it. Pretty much everyone who gives a crap would just pay attention to individual race wins and championship points anyway (like in MX). Monster truck fan guy and his cletus family are just there to see someone get maimed, so it doesn't really matter to him either.

No matter the format, the races should definitely be done by time rather than laps. Can't believe that change wasn't made long ago.
Even before switching to timed mains long ago, they should have at least bumped the number of laps up. What's the point of holding onto 20 laps when lap times get routinely shorter and shorter and shorter. The first time they had a sub :55 track, they should have immediately bumped it up to 25-30 laps right then and there.
CraCKerJacK 2/9/2013 6:31pm
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While we are complaining, lets start making the average triple 90 feet instead of 70? These four strokes hit those WAY to easily, and the 250's can do everything the 450's can.

Get Feld on the phone. I'll talk some sense into his greedy ass.
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Toste 2/9/2013 6:36pm
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Toste wrote:
Overall scoring is not mandatory for multiple main events. World Superbike does fine without it. Pretty much everyone who gives a crap would just pay attention...
Overall scoring is not mandatory for multiple main events. World Superbike does fine without it. Pretty much everyone who gives a crap would just pay attention to individual race wins and championship points anyway (like in MX). Monster truck fan guy and his cletus family are just there to see someone get maimed, so it doesn't really matter to him either.

No matter the format, the races should definitely be done by time rather than laps. Can't believe that change wasn't made long ago.
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Even before switching to timed mains long ago, they should have at least bumped the number of laps up. What's the point of holding onto 20...
Even before switching to timed mains long ago, they should have at least bumped the number of laps up. What's the point of holding onto 20 laps when lap times get routinely shorter and shorter and shorter. The first time they had a sub :55 track, they should have immediately bumped it up to 25-30 laps right then and there.
I'm with you...like you said, compared to a National, it's not a very good value.

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