450C at Loretta's

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Edited Date/Time 8/6/2022 5:39pm
How can a small bore KTM two stroke be in that class? and be winning.... Its a class for 450's.... Right?
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LouisianaMotocross 8/5/2022 11:50am
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Class for up to 450s. The rule books says 125-450s can race it. Actually you can’t even race a 450 until your 16 so all kids under 16 in the class have to ride something smaller than a 450.
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mxracin wrote:
How can a small bore KTM two stroke be in that class? and be winning.... Its a class for 450's.... Right?
Are you really going to complain about someone purposely putting themselves at a disadvantage?
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mxracin wrote:
How can a small bore KTM two stroke be in that class? and be winning.... Its a class for 450's.... Right?
CraigCrashes wrote:
Are you really going to complain about someone purposely putting themselves at a disadvantage?
I love it. He rode great.

He ain't no C rider though!
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ElliotB16 8/5/2022 12:02pm
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I’d be more concerned with the amount of sand bagging in C class. A lot of these kids live full time at training facilities
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Melicar 8/5/2022 12:03pm
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I thought this was going to be about him cutting the track in the last moto a la Jason Anderson.
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mxracin 8/5/2022 12:04pm
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mxracin wrote:
How can a small bore KTM two stroke be in that class? and be winning.... Its a class for 450's.... Right?
CraigCrashes wrote:
Are you really going to complain about someone purposely putting themselves at a disadvantage?
Wasn't complaining.... asking a question...

IMO should be listed as an open class.
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Melicar wrote:
I thought this was going to be about him cutting the track in the last moto a la Jason Anderson.
Annoucer trying to justify it because of the angle he was positioned in.

Um, yeah, wasn't hard to make a left to get back on track, but that's just me.
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mxracin wrote:
How can a small bore KTM two stroke be in that class? and be winning.... Its a class for 450's.... Right?
CraigCrashes wrote:
Are you really going to complain about someone purposely putting themselves at a disadvantage?
mxracin wrote:
Wasn't complaining.... asking a question...

IMO should be listed as an open class.
Well, that’s not how the classes are structured bro

125s are allowed in 250 C also, what’s your solution there Mr Whitelock
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ElliotB16 wrote:
I’d be more concerned with the amount of sand bagging in C class. A lot of these kids live full time at training facilities
Not really sand bagging when you can only race the C class once in your life at LL.

Next year he’d have to qualify and race B class.
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Leeham 8/5/2022 1:07pm
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Isn't also if you ride any small bike classes/schoolboy at LL you have to race B class and can't run C class?
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Leeham wrote:
Isn't also if you ride any small bike classes/schoolboy at LL you have to race B class and can't run C class?
If you race 85's/supermini at Loretta's, you then have to move up to the B classes.
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Dave v3.0 8/5/2022 1:24pm
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LOL.

"C" class at Loretta's stands for Coombs class.

It pays the bills.
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LouisianaMotocross 8/5/2022 1:27pm
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Leeham wrote:
Isn't also if you ride any small bike classes/schoolboy at LL you have to race B class and can't run C class?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
If you race 85's/supermini at Loretta's, you then have to move up to the B classes.
That’s not correct Mav. Anyone who makes Lorettas with the exception of 50s and girls can’t race c.
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Leeham wrote:
Isn't also if you ride any small bike classes/schoolboy at LL you have to race B class and can't run C class?
-MAVERICK- wrote:
If you race 85's/supermini at Loretta's, you then have to move up to the B classes.
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
That’s not correct Mav. Anyone who makes Lorettas with the exception of 50s and girls can’t race c.
If you make 50cc 7-8 class you can’t run C either.

My kid raced 4-6 at LL, so he can still run the C class. Although hoping he makes it next year on his 65
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BigBoreFan58 8/5/2022 3:36pm
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C Class sandbagging. LL's is pretty much all sandbagging IMO. B guys got factory level speed. Deegan could win B, then be at National next week running top 10.
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Just to chime in, some tracks cater to 125’s. 150’s, and 250f’s, smaller and or tighter tracks are definitely easier to ride on these bikes, Big long deep horsepower tracks suit the 450’s much better. Very few Pro AX racers ride 450’s because of the difficulty harnessing the explosive hit of a 450, I will say in my opinion a 250 2-stroke is a beast to ride on tighter tracks also. There have been many years that a Supermini turned multiple top 5 lap times at Loretta’s
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mb60 8/5/2022 5:16pm
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Well Jeremy McGrath did win the C class just saying. Lol
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eric513anderson 8/5/2022 5:39pm
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ElliotB16 wrote:
I’d be more concerned with the amount of sand bagging in C class. A lot of these kids live full time at training facilities
I was at a local track last month on a Saturday and was watching this guy absolutely rip it in the A class. Went on Facebook Sunday evening and saw they posted race results from that day. Same guy swept C class with 1-1 finishes. Go figure lol
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ElliotB16 wrote:
I’d be more concerned with the amount of sand bagging in C class. A lot of these kids live full time at training facilities
There is nothing in the rules stating that kids cannot live at training facilities to race the C class. Gotta remember how the rules are stated. If a rider doesn't point out of the C class or race at Loretta's they are eligible to race the entire next year in the C class.

Nothing wrong about seeing what it takes to make it and then decide and have the resources to live at a training facility and get a lot better all year.
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mxracin wrote:
How can a small bore KTM two stroke be in that class? and be winning.... Its a class for 450's.... Right?
CraigCrashes wrote:
Are you really going to complain about someone purposely putting themselves at a disadvantage?
mxracin wrote:
Wasn't complaining.... asking a question...

IMO should be listed as an open class.
In the class description its listed at 122cc to Open cc. Its called a 450 class, but its an Open class.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
If you race 85's/supermini at Loretta's, you then have to move up to the B classes.
LouisianaMotocross wrote:
That’s not correct Mav. Anyone who makes Lorettas with the exception of 50s and girls can’t race c.
oceantrav wrote:
If you make 50cc 7-8 class you can’t run C either. My kid raced 4-6 at LL, so he can still run the C class. Although...
If you make 50cc 7-8 class you can’t run C either.

My kid raced 4-6 at LL, so he can still run the C class. Although hoping he makes it next year on his 65
Congratulations sir! You must be very proud.
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OleTex 8/5/2022 6:55pm
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Pro125 has been discussing how 125’s are doing well at LL this year. It’s in the LL thread.
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Mossy940 8/5/2022 9:43pm
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Said the story before but I’ll drop it again here.

2008/2009 we had given up the ghost trying to “make it” and we’re just enjoying racing locally Saturday nights. Often the classes were small, and they staggered B/C on two gate drops….kid on a Yamaha shows up and not only destroys the C class, but caught, passed, and absolutely murdered the B class in 5 laps with roughly 90 second lap times.

Anyways, we didn’t care but a bunch of parents were up in arms asking why he was racing C class.

Dad said (with a shit eating grin I might add) “he’s always just ridden, never raced. We’re getting him ready for Lorettas. He’s raced less than 2 years; we’re not breaking any rules.”

Dude shows up and destroys Lorettas, and was racing pro less than 6 months later.

Point being, there’s always gonna be a few kids scattered throughout the country that technically aren’t breaking any rules but are laughably beyond the C class. Just the way it goes at the ranch
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ratbeagle139 8/6/2022 2:40am
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So whatever came of him cutting the track in that final moto? Surely someone bitched, was blatantly shown during the broadcast.
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Cademx14 wrote:
Just to chime in, some tracks cater to 125’s. 150’s, and 250f’s, smaller and or tighter tracks are definitely easier to ride on these bikes, Big...
Just to chime in, some tracks cater to 125’s. 150’s, and 250f’s, smaller and or tighter tracks are definitely easier to ride on these bikes, Big long deep horsepower tracks suit the 450’s much better. Very few Pro AX racers ride 450’s because of the difficulty harnessing the explosive hit of a 450, I will say in my opinion a 250 2-stroke is a beast to ride on tighter tracks also. There have been many years that a Supermini turned multiple top 5 lap times at Loretta’s
One of the kids announcing the 2nd Moto even said something about it actually being an advantage on those conditions purely for it not having as much weight or power. If it’s meant to be an open class, then call it an open class and not 450.
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ratbeagle139 wrote:
So whatever came of him cutting the track in that final moto? Surely someone bitched, was blatantly shown during the broadcast.
Probably nothing because he was so far ahead of 3rd.
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profeshenal125 8/6/2022 7:29am
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OleTex wrote:
Pro125 has been discussing how 125’s are doing well at LL this year. It’s in the LL thread.
Yup a 125 went 2,1 in 250 c also. There’s 2 Geisse brothers. The 1 that won 2 motos in 450 c also raced the 125 class at Millville. Last yr he was not winning he may hv had a couple top 3,s in a moto finishes .I think he was riding injured. Great rider and style but not quite ready for b class this yr. If your talking about getting a title at LL in b.
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OleTex wrote:
Pro125 has been discussing how 125’s are doing well at LL this year. It’s in the LL thread.
profeshenal125 wrote:
Yup a 125 went 2,1 in 250 c also. There’s 2 Geisse brothers. The 1 that won 2 motos in 450 c also raced the 125...
Yup a 125 went 2,1 in 250 c also. There’s 2 Geisse brothers. The 1 that won 2 motos in 450 c also raced the 125 class at Millville. Last yr he was not winning he may hv had a couple top 3,s in a moto finishes .I think he was riding injured. Great rider and style but not quite ready for b class this yr. If your talking about getting a title at LL in b.
There’s three brothers. Youngest is on 50s and in pretty sure he got 3rd in a class at LL last year.
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