15 minute RULE

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 11:20am
Hopefully this will help the riders and their parent/parents work together with less emotion and allow the rider constructive information during a race.

Every racer has good and not so good races. When the athlete comes in from a race and it did not go well, he is dissapointed and upset for whatever reasons did not allow him to do better. His adreneline is flowing and for many the emotions are running high.
If the parent comes into the pits shortly after the race (he/she) is usually not happy and upset as well.

It is during this time that most of the verbal confrontations between rider and parent can and will go out of control. Very little positive information is given usually yelling and an escalation of the situation is the result.

If the parent will wait 15 minutes (this can be adjusted for obvious reasons) before talking to the rider, both will be in a more calm state and then the information given and received will most likely help with the next moto while not causing undue stress for everyone.

For the parents out there who have a tendency to be highly emotional, try this during your next race and see what the results are.
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2/22/2010 5:07pm
excellent advice

I hope some take note of it
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2/22/2010 5:10pm
Good advice. I'll tell my old man, and keep this in mind for when I have pups.
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2/22/2010 5:36pm Edited Date/Time 2/22/2010 5:37pm
Does that mean Tony shouldn't take the mule back to the pits to talk to Mike?
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2/22/2010 5:56pm
Great advice

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2/22/2010 6:21pm
Also a good rule for the wife and kids, somedays I would kill for 15 minutes of silence after walking in the door Tongue
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2/22/2010 6:47pm
Maybe we should ask our friend Motocoach for his opinion ?He seems to be a man of patience .Wink
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“ you dickhead mother fucker. Holeshot….. big fuckin deal. That don’t mean dick if you knife into a sand corner like you do….comin in all hot, you dumbass. Then its flooded like a mother fucker..took 80 fuckin kicks to get that shit started. You’re one winded son of a bitch aren’t you? Dragged an anchor for the rest of that moto… ya fuckin cornpipe.”
I can still hear my dads voice after 20 years. Still love the guinea, it was his way to motivate.
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2/22/2010 6:53pm Edited Date/Time 2/22/2010 6:54pm
My old man either said "good ride" or nothing most of the time, but every now and then he would chew my ass, if I did something stupid! Not all the time though.
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I ALWAYS had to ask people to give me a little time before speaking with me after a tough moto.
Good rule of thumb.
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Alan, do really think 15 minutes is enough time to cool down? I have used the 15 minute rule that you have taught me but I really think it takes 16 minutes. Please revise your 15 rule to reflect my recomendation. Thanks and good luck to all you parents..... some of us still have a lot to learn.
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MXTRAINER1 wrote:
[b]Hopefully this will help the riders and their parent/parents work together with less emotion and allow the rider constructive information during a race. Every racer has...
Hopefully this will help the riders and their parent/parents work together with less emotion and allow the rider constructive information during a race.

Every racer has good and not so good races. When the athlete comes in from a race and it did not go well, he is dissapointed and upset for whatever reasons did not allow him to do better. His adreneline is flowing and for many the emotions are running high.
If the parent comes into the pits shortly after the race (he/she) is usually not happy and upset as well.

It is during this time that most of the verbal confrontations between rider and parent can and will go out of control. Very little positive information is given usually yelling and an escalation of the situation is the result.

If the parent will wait 15 minutes (this can be adjusted for obvious reasons) before talking to the rider, both will be in a more calm state and then the information given and received will most likely help with the next moto while not causing undue stress for everyone.

For the parents out there who have a tendency to be highly emotional, try this during your next race and see what the results are.
Excellent advice,

I was sitting with the family of a top ten rider at the last round of the SuperX in Australia last year and our rider was having trouble stringing together a hot lap due to traffic and a couple of self inflicted issues. Just before he finished a top 3 lap he ran out of time leaving him eighth I think. The problem then was there was a couple of fast unseeded guys who we knew would beat his time and probably put him out of the top ten. When he came up to the stands his Dad tried to talk to him and there was steam pouring out of his ears.

I kept my mouth shut and waited. 10 - 15 mins later he was ready to talk, we had a good chat about some of the lines some riders were taking and a bit of general BS and then he left for his heat race a different person. If we had have chewed his ass the minute he sat down it wouldn't have helped 1 bit. As it was he left in a much better frame of mind.
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2/22/2010 8:59pm
Great advice Alan!
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Don,
if you remember (probably not, due to alzheimers) you were on the 24 hour rule with a 72 hour option based on how many cigars I had to put up with.
On a serious note,
we all have a lot to learn. Life is a learning process. One of the hardest things to learn in life is to take ourselves out of the equation when we want success for someone else.

I have made many mistakes in my life but without them I would not have learned how to avoid them in the future.
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2/22/2010 9:07pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 8:57pm
MXTRAINER1 wrote:
[b]Hopefully this will help the riders and their parent/parents work together with less emotion and allow the rider constructive information during a race. Every racer has...
Hopefully this will help the riders and their parent/parents work together with less emotion and allow the rider constructive information during a race.

Every racer has good and not so good races. When the athlete comes in from a race and it did not go well, he is dissapointed and upset for whatever reasons did not allow him to do better. His adreneline is flowing and for many the emotions are running high.
If the parent comes into the pits shortly after the race (he/she) is usually not happy and upset as well.

It is during this time that most of the verbal confrontations between rider and parent can and will go out of control. Very little positive information is given usually yelling and an escalation of the situation is the result.

If the parent will wait 15 minutes (this can be adjusted for obvious reasons) before talking to the rider, both will be in a more calm state and then the information given and received will most likely help with the next moto while not causing undue stress for everyone.

For the parents out there who have a tendency to be highly emotional, try this during your next race and see what the results are.
awesome.

a kid always wants to please his parents and a parent always wants his kid to succeed. the very best thing a parent can do for a kid racing is to ask if they need anything...help or whatever. if the kid doesn't say anything the parent needs to stfu. yelling or telling the kid he did it wrong or anything other than telling them you are there for them is a waste of time and counterproductive imho. if the kid fucked up he knows he fucked up and he doesn't need a person he adores and admires to tell him he fucked up too.
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MXTRAINER1 wrote:
Don, if you remember (probably not, due to alzheimers) you were on the 24 hour rule with a 72 hour option based on how many cigars...
Don,
if you remember (probably not, due to alzheimers) you were on the 24 hour rule with a 72 hour option based on how many cigars I had to put up with.
On a serious note,
we all have a lot to learn. Life is a learning process. One of the hardest things to learn in life is to take ourselves out of the equation when we want success for someone else.

I have made many mistakes in my life but without them I would not have learned how to avoid them in the future.
As always Alan you are a professional and have great perspective on many of the issues surroundung moto. I think it has a lot to do with the over half century of experience you have!
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Sonny wrote:
“ you dickhead mother fucker. Holeshot….. big fuckin deal. That don’t mean dick if you knife into a sand corner like you do….comin in all hot...
“ you dickhead mother fucker. Holeshot….. big fuckin deal. That don’t mean dick if you knife into a sand corner like you do….comin in all hot, you dumbass. Then its flooded like a mother fucker..took 80 fuckin kicks to get that shit started. You’re one winded son of a bitch aren’t you? Dragged an anchor for the rest of that moto… ya fuckin cornpipe.”
I can still hear my dads voice after 20 years. Still love the guinea, it was his way to motivate.
lmao...heard all kinds of shit too. told him he needs to ride the fuckin thing and try to beat magoo...he usually did shut the fuck up after that....Smile
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2/22/2010 9:56pm Edited Date/Time 2/22/2010 10:01pm
my old man never really got after me, but i kind of wish he would have. kind of makes me think he had enough confidence in me knowing myself. Its good to have someone there to snap you out of a funk if your in one though. thats where the " wtf were you doing out there" kind of talks come in handy.
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MXTRAINER1 wrote:
[b]Hopefully this will help the riders and their parent/parents work together with less emotion and allow the rider constructive information during a race. Every racer has...
Hopefully this will help the riders and their parent/parents work together with less emotion and allow the rider constructive information during a race.

Every racer has good and not so good races. When the athlete comes in from a race and it did not go well, he is dissapointed and upset for whatever reasons did not allow him to do better. His adreneline is flowing and for many the emotions are running high.
If the parent comes into the pits shortly after the race (he/she) is usually not happy and upset as well.

It is during this time that most of the verbal confrontations between rider and parent can and will go out of control. Very little positive information is given usually yelling and an escalation of the situation is the result.

If the parent will wait 15 minutes (this can be adjusted for obvious reasons) before talking to the rider, both will be in a more calm state and then the information given and received will most likely help with the next moto while not causing undue stress for everyone.

For the parents out there who have a tendency to be highly emotional, try this during your next race and see what the results are.
BobbyM wrote:
awesome. a kid always wants to please his parents and a parent always wants his kid to succeed. the very best thing a parent can do...
awesome.

a kid always wants to please his parents and a parent always wants his kid to succeed. the very best thing a parent can do for a kid racing is to ask if they need anything...help or whatever. if the kid doesn't say anything the parent needs to stfu. yelling or telling the kid he did it wrong or anything other than telling them you are there for them is a waste of time and counterproductive imho. if the kid fucked up he knows he fucked up and he doesn't need a person he adores and admires to tell him he fucked up too.
WHO the fuck are you??....and what have you done with Bobby damn it??!!?? Quit comin' in here and making all this sense......your giving yourself a bad name!
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2/23/2010 1:28am Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 8:57pm
Great advice!


If parents did this, along with realizing there are many valuable life lessons that can be learned through motocross, that can be carried along through life, whether one achieves motocross success or not (instead of focusing ONLY on winning), the kids would be much better off...

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