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As for what DC and GL can do together and the benefits that such cooperation would bring to the sport, look at the benefits of the cooperation between Feld and MXSports. Just a few years ago some people considered the Nationals to be almost a drag on the teams and the sport; however, somebody at Feld must have realized (upon suggestion of somebody at MX-Sports?) that the future (and the profitability) of SX would have benefit from a strong MX scene, and now Feld and MX-SPorts cooperate and Feld even sponsors the American team at the MXdN!
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The GP comes to the USA,teams,riders even fans make the trip,Monster is even the main sponsor and the home riders don't show up,its crazy
And why do mostly American MX "fans" on here stick up for them and support them for not riding??
In another thread they'll argue about how those same guys are so much better than the GP guys too
The Euros travel over to race on a favourite and well established US track,they race against anyone who turns up,then pack up and go to Brazil the following week to do it all again,well hats off to them I say,and anyone who has the opportunity to go but doesn't take it,well its their loss,I went last year and it was a superb day and I'll definitely be there again this year
The Valkensvard GP was amazing and say what you like about the GPs but they are a way better package for a MX fan to attend from my experience
As for riders risking injury,again its bull$hit,they can get hurt practicing during the week or doing something else,and I'm sure the teams could get a bike set up if they can't then what kind of team are they?
And Mr. Info (Mark), I know you work at Glen Helen and have long been a critic of MX Sports... Okay, since last April anyway. Regardless, you should maybe work on your facts before you come in here and sling BS around. Every national on the schedule has an agreement -- that's why they are holding the races this year. And the nominal fee to host a round of the AMA Motocross tour is less than half the purse money paid out by each promoter. Television and running the entire series is on MX Sports and our partners Alli Sports, and it's a considerable number to say the least. The models for the GP and the nationals are much different, and what works for them may not work here (and vice-versa). Different worlds all together, but both are very solid and entertaining series.
By the way: If Jeffrey Herlings came to race in the sand at Southwick, our guys would have their hands full -- in either class! He's not as well-rounded as Ken Roczen (no slouch in the sand himself) but he's something else in the silica...
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Now if we can just get more of that darn 1st moto on TV....
(just kidding
As I say, mocking the USGP and half expecting it to fail is a self fulfilling prophecy. I can understand fans who are reluctant to fly over from the East Coast etc, but if you're supposedly a 'core' US Motocross fan and live within a reasonable vicinity of Glen Helen you should be there to support the sport. Even if that means experiencing something unfamiliar.
Sitting there slagging the USGP off without even giving it a chance by attending means it will, in all likely hood, be removed from the GP calendar. But it won't be the fault of Youthstream, who have brought this event to your doorstep, or DC, or AMA riders who should or shouldn't have competed... it will be thanks to aloof, apathetic fans who can't be bothered.
What's weird, and actually quite sad, is to some that almost seems like something to brag about.
Marc De Reuver - raced Southwick for fun.
Ken De Dycker - raced Hangtown for fun.
Clement Desalle - raced Washougal for fun (childhood dream) then raced Unadilla primarily for fun but also for some more experience should he decide to race in America in the future.
Ken Roczen - raced SX because again it was a childhood dream and he plans to move over in the next year or so. He's already contracted to KTM until 2012 at least, so he wasn't necessarily racing to 'get noticed'.
Carl Nunn & Mattis Karro - raced Steel City in 2009 for fun.... the list goes on.
The point being that not everyone races a one off Outdoor National with a view to getting noticed.
Our guys have had one 1 UNO une weekend off since January 9. I mean not only the riders. The managers, the truck drivers, the mechanics, the tire, suspension, motor, ... guys. Yet you don't seem to understand why they don't want to add another weekend in the middle of it all.
The top guy comes on and states the reasons for a lack of attendance and you still don't get it, its not up to DC and MXsports.
I'm not one of the guys arguing that any of the AMA riders should ride the USGP, but I can see why you assumed I was. Of course it would be nice if some of them did ride, and their presence would surely help attract more fans, but If I was in their shoes I probably wouldn't 'choose' to race either.
That said, its still common for European riders to come over and race a one off National (inbetween their national series and GP series) on a loaned machine and pit from the back of a van, but its supposedly unfair to expect a US rider to race a one off event on their own doorstep?
Im not bashing the US riders, I have a huuuuge amount of respect for them, but in the grand scheme of things often terms seem to weigh in their favour and they're rarely prepared to compete out of their comfort zone.
edit - just saw your apology mom251, no worries!
Alessi used to do Euro stuff all the time but I think it took a toll on him and he slowed up a bit.. IMO
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That said, many of us just remember when folks raced against one another to see who was the best on that track that day, rather than having your CPA first determine if it was "economically advantageous" to hit the starting line.
If the latter attitude was determinative when the U.S. first went to the MX de Nats, no US team would have even showed up. The riders, the support staff, and the sponsors did it because they wanted to see how we stacked up against the rest of the MX world...period.
Did you have dinner with Luongo?
the us fans on the other hand.....not even having the will to check out the bikes and riders of the other series, many of them works prototypes, and brands not even sold in the states...as for some hot and fast kids racind hard, some of them even said to do their future racing in the usa.......that for me is not understandable.....and it looks like the national pride rises to a point where it overcomes the love of the sport and from my point of view is just plain old stupid.....even more when it comes from the same people that get all fired up and all insider about the same bikes and riders during the race where normally the us riders win over the rest of the world...!!!!!!!! the way i see it this is a kind of racism...... ignorant national racism...!!!!!!!!!!
much more if those same supposed fans knew a bit about the world of mx, and how much love the us riders and teams get here in europe, as how much effort we, european fans, put in trying to see and follow every litle detail about us racing.......
and then there is the economy word.......that one that everybody talks about like an expert............funny is that we, in europe, see more and more us brands investing in our business.....monster is the mxpg main sponsor, is yamaha europe main sponsor, is all over every kawasaki.......even procircuit joined with an kawi team trying to open up new markets......and then theres already parts-europe(parts unlimited) and a lot of other us market brands that because of its quality and exposure, and specially because we europeans fans like and follow the american scene, are now full into the european market trying to grow and overcome the losses in their home market........even the promotors of ama racing get some good euros from pay-per-view tv in europe, since we get to see amasx and amamx with about 1or 2 weeks delay.........
so when all is said and done, it looks like the all mighty us of a is not so big and strong, at least not enough to stand alone anymore.......its an world market and the usa is one of the world players, and even being the biggest player it has to play with the others and try to provide to everyone its good things for them to still be succesfull......national racism can only take you even deeper into that economy hole that you are trying to come out......
so looking at the mx business, it looks like being a nationalist, looking only at prize money, and avoiding to mix with the world scene because of being proudly bigger then the rest.......is nowdays bad business......
this atitude is like looking at the tree and not seing the florest.......so in the end of it i think the usgp means a lot more to the usa then most of you are willing to admit...... your national pride is blinding you.......and it can only hurt you.......
ama mx racing can only be the best in the world.......IF usa is a part of that world.......!!!!!!!!!!!! and if you cant see that then its you to blame..!!!!!!!!
The top guy comes on and states the reasons for a lack of attendance and you still don't get it, its not up to DC and MXsports.
Please show me where I said it was up to DC? I said it was up to DC AND GL to work together to have a combined series race. You continue to spew about the lack of attendance at the GP, and act if I am expecting DC to fix GLs problem. Nothing could be further from the truth, so quit trying to lay you hat on that scenario. If the GP regulars, and America's top riders were to line up on the same gate, the attendance would be off the charts. I really don't believe that anyone would dispute that. It's very complicated and not something that could be done overnight, but I am sure that it could be done.
Overdrive wrote: Jamma I don't think its an issue of the US guys not wanting to do more Euro stuff. The US schedule is 17 supercross races and 12 nationals back to back. There are less GPs and they are spread out, so GP guys have the time to do more one off races for their nation or parts of a series if they choose. Its not a slam on either series, the GP's are great as well as SX and USMX. Its a time, money and having the off time to recoup physically for US riders thats at stake.
I agree, the supercross series is to long, and needs to be cut back to 12 races, and the US open needs to be tossed. These guys need some time to heal up.
I've been telling DC this for years. Outdoor MX MUST combine to run a North American/Euro series AFTER the SX series. Honda fielding a genuine factory team at the GP's this year can indicate the time is right to sort out the AMA Ali Sports/FIM Youthstream differences.
This thread is a prime example of people wanting to completely disregard facts and reality and just make up whatever they want to make up and pretend it is somehow reality.
Like who? Riders can suffer an injury at anytime, anywhere, but most riders that move over achieve success one way or another.
The biggest obstacle in recent years came in the form of Ricky Carmichael, the best rider that has ever lived.
It's horseshit
You can't throw this on the riders, as if they can load up a bike in a pick up and race a GP.
There is a lot more involved, like a TEAM, and everything that surrounds that team. The truck, the fuel, the food, the workers, the mechanics (trackside and in-house), management and more.
DON'T YOU DARE THROW THIS ON THE RIDERS AS IF IT IS SOLELY THEIR DECISION AND INVOLVES NO ONE OR NOTHING ELSE.
Because that's horseshit and you damn well know it.
There's an entire team and thousands and thousands of dollars in costs to do one race, AND YOU KNOW IT!
Rider is not the team manager, the rider is nothing more than a contracted employee.
The rider does not dictate nor pick and choose which events a team shall or shall not participate in.
Whether its something that he genuinely hopes to achieve I don't know, I kind of got the impression that it was just an idea he had always entertained in his mind, rather than an actual, feasible goal.
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