USGP , Here is a clue on why no top Americans race.

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Mstock 4/24/2011 12:05pm
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One word. SYNERGY. Or the lack there of. Americans will never lift a finger without getting paid green cash money for any effort. That is why Ken Roczen is going to cash the largest checks this sport has ever written. Do it because its the right thing to do. You think money was the reason he rides?
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mcopsey 4/24/2011 12:05pm
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newmann wrote:
wasn't talking about RV, but keep on thinking that.
mcopsey wrote:
So you are eliminating Monster's best rider and chance for the win? Great argument.
newmann wrote:
That's all you got out of 500 Guys post? Try this "If it was that important to Monster this would have been resolved last year not...
That's all you got out of 500 Guys post? Try this "If it was that important to Monster this would have been resolved last year not a few weeks before the event. "

Try again.
Your entire argument has changed since he beginning of this thread. I don't know what answer you are looking for but you have presented both sides of the argument and agreed with both.
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newmann 4/24/2011 12:15pm
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mcopsey wrote:
So you are eliminating Monster's best rider and chance for the win? Great argument.
newmann wrote:
That's all you got out of 500 Guys post? Try this "If it was that important to Monster this would have been resolved last year not...
That's all you got out of 500 Guys post? Try this "If it was that important to Monster this would have been resolved last year not a few weeks before the event. "

Try again.
mcopsey wrote:
Your entire argument has changed since he beginning of this thread. I don't know what answer you are looking for but you have presented both sides...
Your entire argument has changed since he beginning of this thread. I don't know what answer you are looking for but you have presented both sides of the argument and agreed with both.
My original comment was "lack of pride on a lot of levels", yet you keep throwing it all back in RV's lap. Try again.
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flarider wrote:
While I am going, I will say what I said last year, what does an American rider/team have to gain? There's no money, no purse, no...
While I am going, I will say what I said last year, what does an American rider/team have to gain?
There's no money, no purse, no tv, not in the budget and the Nationals start the next week so the risk of injury racing the week before the series you get paid to race is too great.
Why not race a local race during your weeks off if purse money, bonuses, budget and risk of injury is no concern?
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GL has reduced an international race in america to nothing more than a local series event...maybe worse. rock on GL
Didn't this race get more press than any other pro-MX back in the 1970's? The elite US 450 National riders vs. the elite 450 GP riders at Glen Helen in Southern California - this should still be the biggest race on the US calendar with the biggest media exposure for paying sponsors. I'm with Bobby, what happened?

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panic revver 4/24/2011 12:22pm
4/24/2011 12:22pm
Trent179 wrote:
After RV's SX season a few weekends off would do him some good before the start of the nationals. Not everybody wants to work overtime especially...
After RV's SX season a few weekends off would do him some good before the start of the nationals. Not everybody wants to work overtime especially for free.
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Then don't you guys bitch when stewart doesn't show up for the outdoor season.
Exactly!
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flarider wrote:
While I am going, I will say what I said last year, what does an American rider/team have to gain? There's no money, no purse, no...
While I am going, I will say what I said last year, what does an American rider/team have to gain?
There's no money, no purse, no tv, not in the budget and the Nationals start the next week so the risk of injury racing the week before the series you get paid to race is too great.
Why not race a local race during your weeks off if purse money, bonuses, budget and risk of injury is no concern?
BobbyM wrote:
GL has reduced an international race in america to nothing more than a local series event...maybe worse. rock on GL
I think its as much the fault of apathetic US fans as it is anyone/anything else. Its a self fulfilling prophesy.

Most have decided that the GP's are a second rate series because of past mxdn results and the lack of a big name US rider racing the GPs who can be used as a measuring stick. (You all chose to gloss over Jimmy Albertson when he clearly struggled to adapt in 2010).
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OW38B 4/24/2011 12:26pm
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Having trouble trying to find out how much start and purse money are paid out at theMXdN?

RC4, JS7, RV2, RD5, IT9, KW and many others have raced the MXdN for no purse or start money.

The US riders can't say they are the fastest if they don't show it in their own backyard. Cool
mxwhiteside 4/24/2011 12:35pm
4/24/2011 12:35pm
newmann wrote:
lack of pride on a lot of levels
500guy wrote:
Bullshit let me wreck my truck and bring it to your shop to get fixed for free and claim you lack pride because you want to...
Bullshit

let me wreck my truck and bring it to your shop to get fixed for free and claim you lack pride because you want to be paid.
I don't work for free and that is why it is called work. I pay to ride, pay for my bike, gear, everything. Why because I love to race and ride. When I listen to interviews after the pro riders have been hurt they are all foaming at the mouth to race again, stating how much they miss racing. People do things for pride! I run Baker to Vegas costing me money, do 10K's, triathalons all costing me. Pride is what gets me to the gym, training, watching my diet.Pride is what I tell myself, I am not going to be in my 40's with a fat gut telling stories of the past of how great I was. I am not going to be that guy and that is what pride does. So if a racer loves to race than race!
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flarider wrote:
While I am going, I will say what I said last year, what does an American rider/team have to gain? There's no money, no purse, no...
While I am going, I will say what I said last year, what does an American rider/team have to gain?
There's no money, no purse, no tv, not in the budget and the Nationals start the next week so the risk of injury racing the week before the series you get paid to race is too great.
Why not race a local race during your weeks off if purse money, bonuses, budget and risk of injury is no concern?
More purse at the local race too!
panic revver 4/24/2011 12:50pm
4/24/2011 12:50pm
DrSweden wrote:
Cash is king...
motogrady wrote:
Maybe so, but then again, nothing ventured, nothing gained. You'd think the exposure, the fame and bargaining power a GP win would bring would have guys...
Maybe so, but then again, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
You'd think the exposure, the fame and bargaining power a GP win would bring would have guys think differently.
I guess not.


Look at Reed. What was he thinking?
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Fat Fingers 4/24/2011 12:51pm
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The $3500? for a win prize money is not the reason why teams turn up to the nationals.

The question is, is it worth racing 1 week before the nationals start. Getting real race testing in and promoting your sponsors is probably worth a few $ though regardless of if its in the contract or not.
panic revver 4/24/2011 12:56pm
4/24/2011 12:56pm
newmann wrote:
lack of pride on a lot of levels
500guy wrote:
Bullshit let me wreck my truck and bring it to your shop to get fixed for free and claim you lack pride because you want to...
Bullshit

let me wreck my truck and bring it to your shop to get fixed for free and claim you lack pride because you want to be paid.
mxwhiteside wrote:
I don't work for free and that is why it is called work. I pay to ride, pay for my bike, gear, everything. Why because I...
I don't work for free and that is why it is called work. I pay to ride, pay for my bike, gear, everything. Why because I love to race and ride. When I listen to interviews after the pro riders have been hurt they are all foaming at the mouth to race again, stating how much they miss racing. People do things for pride! I run Baker to Vegas costing me money, do 10K's, triathalons all costing me. Pride is what gets me to the gym, training, watching my diet.Pride is what I tell myself, I am not going to be in my 40's with a fat gut telling stories of the past of how great I was. I am not going to be that guy and that is what pride does. So if a racer loves to race than race!
You pay to race. They get paid to race. See how that works. Their earning potential to race only lasts so longso they have to capitalize when they can. I don't see how this is so hard to understand for some. I don't expect any of the top guys to race for free, anywhere.
panic revver 4/24/2011 12:58pm
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Fat Fingers wrote:
The $3500? for a win prize money is not the reason why teams turn up to the nationals. The question is, is it worth racing 1...
The $3500? for a win prize money is not the reason why teams turn up to the nationals.

The question is, is it worth racing 1 week before the nationals start. Getting real race testing in and promoting your sponsors is probably worth a few $ though regardless of if its in the contract or not.
They promote their sponsors enough already our the sponsors would not write up and sign the contact
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DrSweden 4/24/2011 1:14pm
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motogrady wrote:
Maybe so, but then again, nothing ventured, nothing gained. You'd think the exposure, the fame and bargaining power a GP win would bring would have guys...
Maybe so, but then again, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
You'd think the exposure, the fame and bargaining power a GP win would bring would have guys think differently.
I guess not.


Look at Reed. What was he thinking?
Doing stuff for glory, honor, fun or for the stats might make sense at that point in life were we realize it's not all about the money. But to expect these dollar dazed riders often only home schooled, being less than 30, even less than 20 to have figure these things out already, is a bit optimistic.

I remember when Stewart got an invitation from Nelson Mandela himself to do the GP of South Africa in an attempt to give the black kids in South Africa some inspiration, but obviously there was not enough money on the table, so dumbfuck turned it down!!! Imagine if he had done that, maybe even have pic with him and Nelson, and some black kids from the South African ghetto next to them all smiles. Also most likely a GP win, well you get the picture... Nooo. Give me $$$$$$$$, I need new rims for my Lambo! LOL!

Takes decades to figure some stuff out, and those that think money is the sole goals are up for a surprise...
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mcopsey 4/24/2011 1:15pm
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newmann wrote:
That's all you got out of 500 Guys post? Try this "If it was that important to Monster this would have been resolved last year not...
That's all you got out of 500 Guys post? Try this "If it was that important to Monster this would have been resolved last year not a few weeks before the event. "

Try again.
mcopsey wrote:
Your entire argument has changed since he beginning of this thread. I don't know what answer you are looking for but you have presented both sides...
Your entire argument has changed since he beginning of this thread. I don't know what answer you are looking for but you have presented both sides of the argument and agreed with both.
newmann wrote:
My original comment was "lack of pride on a lot of levels", yet you keep throwing it all back in RV's lap. Try again.
Show your pride and work for nothing.
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mcopsey 4/24/2011 1:17pm
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DrSweden wrote:
Doing stuff for glory, honor, fun or for the stats might make sense at that point in life were we realize it's not all about the...
Doing stuff for glory, honor, fun or for the stats might make sense at that point in life were we realize it's not all about the money. But to expect these dollar dazed riders often only home schooled, being less than 30, even less than 20 to have figure these things out already, is a bit optimistic.

I remember when Stewart got an invitation from Nelson Mandela himself to do the GP of South Africa in an attempt to give the black kids in South Africa some inspiration, but obviously there was not enough money on the table, so dumbfuck turned it down!!! Imagine if he had done that, maybe even have pic with him and Nelson, and some black kids from the South African ghetto next to them all smiles. Also most likely a GP win, well you get the picture... Nooo. Give me $$$$$$$$, I need new rims for my Lambo! LOL!

Takes decades to figure some stuff out, and those that think money is the sole goals are up for a surprise...
There were a lot more reasons than money for JS not racing in South Africa, but you calling him dumfuck, that is a different story.
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Mstock 4/24/2011 1:25pm
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The only reason why US riders won't race the only race that holds national pride is that the USA has no national pride. There I said it. Millions in the us starve every day but we spend millions per day fighting "fake" wars. Fuck the usa. It's shit. The only people fighting the "wars" are doing it for a fucken paycheck not national pride. Money. Zero pride. That is the us 2011. Fuck the US. Lets moto!
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newmann 4/24/2011 1:26pm
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mcopsey wrote:
Show your pride and work for nothing.
I've done it more than once. Worked out pretty well for me too.

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DrSweden 4/24/2011 1:27pm
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mcopsey wrote:
There were a lot more reasons than money for JS not racing in South Africa, but you calling him dumfuck, that is a different story.
Well, the BS we were served at the time, and the lack of information made me draw the conclusion he and his team must have been totally retarded for turning Nelson and the kids down.

So please enlighten me what great reason they/he had that made this "impossible". I will totally apology if you have adequate information that make sense for him not doing it.

As long as the issue was him not getting enough money, I totally stand for my opinion he was a dumbfuck. You think not doing it was a strike of genius?
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motogrady wrote:
Maybe so, but then again, nothing ventured, nothing gained. You'd think the exposure, the fame and bargaining power a GP win would bring would have guys...
Maybe so, but then again, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
You'd think the exposure, the fame and bargaining power a GP win would bring would have guys think differently.
I guess not.


Look at Reed. What was he thinking?
DrSweden wrote:
Doing stuff for glory, honor, fun or for the stats might make sense at that point in life were we realize it's not all about the...
Doing stuff for glory, honor, fun or for the stats might make sense at that point in life were we realize it's not all about the money. But to expect these dollar dazed riders often only home schooled, being less than 30, even less than 20 to have figure these things out already, is a bit optimistic.

I remember when Stewart got an invitation from Nelson Mandela himself to do the GP of South Africa in an attempt to give the black kids in South Africa some inspiration, but obviously there was not enough money on the table, so dumbfuck turned it down!!! Imagine if he had done that, maybe even have pic with him and Nelson, and some black kids from the South African ghetto next to them all smiles. Also most likely a GP win, well you get the picture... Nooo. Give me $$$$$$$$, I need new rims for my Lambo! LOL!

Takes decades to figure some stuff out, and those that think money is the sole goals are up for a surprise...
Stewart turned down the chance to be used by a bullshit Government and greedy race promoter.

I applaud him
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FastEddy 4/24/2011 1:30pm
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I wonder what guys like Chandler,Glover,Bailey,Lechien,Lackey,Howerton,Ward,Hannah,Johnson,Johnny O,RJ etc.. were paid back in the day to do a US GP? Smile
I'm sure there had to be something there to entice them (whether it was in their contracts or not. ). Wink
Anyways, some of those USGP races were legendary and I bet the guys that won them are glad they did them.

It would be cool if all the top teams here in the States would factor this race into their budgets & riders salary's and hit it up.
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At next years F1 race in Texas I wouldn't expect to see American open wheel racers jumping in with Hamilton and Vettel and I think it's...
At next years F1 race in Texas I wouldn't expect to see American open wheel racers jumping in with Hamilton and Vettel and I think it's kinda the same thing with the American MXers and the GP circuit.
Motocross does not have a Concorde Agreement that sets a capped number of entrants and constructors. The limit in motocross is only judged by the amount of gates. If however Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes, Renault, Red Bull and the rest had teams and cars very similiar to what they run in Europe and qualifiers to make the grid of 24 I sure would expect it. Of course all of those teams listed didnt just deal with a National catastrophy that could make more bonuses harder to come by.
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Mstock 4/24/2011 1:39pm
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FastEddy wrote:
I wonder what guys like Chandler,Glover,Bailey,Lechien,Lackey,Howerton,Ward,Hannah,Johnson,Johnny O,RJ etc.. were paid back in the day to do a US GP? :) I'm sure there had to be...
I wonder what guys like Chandler,Glover,Bailey,Lechien,Lackey,Howerton,Ward,Hannah,Johnson,Johnny O,RJ etc.. were paid back in the day to do a US GP? Smile
I'm sure there had to be something there to entice them (whether it was in their contracts or not. ). Wink
Anyways, some of those USGP races were legendary and I bet the guys that won them are glad they did them.

It would be cool if all the top teams here in the States would factor this race into their budgets & riders salary's and hit it up.
That is the difference between the USA 70-90. Back then people tried to better themselves. Now the usa is a poverty sticken hand out nation waiting for the next relief package and unemployement. The GP's should cancell glen helen. Nobody in the usa has any money to attend just like last year.
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FastEddy wrote:
I wonder what guys like Chandler,Glover,Bailey,Lechien,Lackey,Howerton,Ward,Hannah,Johnson,Johnny O,RJ etc.. were paid back in the day to do a US GP? :) I'm sure there had to be...
I wonder what guys like Chandler,Glover,Bailey,Lechien,Lackey,Howerton,Ward,Hannah,Johnson,Johnny O,RJ etc.. were paid back in the day to do a US GP? Smile
I'm sure there had to be something there to entice them (whether it was in their contracts or not. ). Wink
Anyways, some of those USGP races were legendary and I bet the guys that won them are glad they did them.

It would be cool if all the top teams here in the States would factor this race into their budgets & riders salary's and hit it up.
You know what would be nice if Youthstream would have got them to do that before having the race here.

I suppose they did talk and when YS got the answer they didn't want they came anyways.

I'll say it again , All the Teams and Sponsors knew this race was coming since last year, if it was important to them they would sign seal and deliver riders to the event and be letting everyone know how cool they were.

This is not happening and it's not fair to bash the riders for not racing it.
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I can understand why teams like Geico wouldn´t go, their sponsors don´t sell anything outside the US. And PC/Monster already has a team in the GP´s. Same thing with Rockstar and Zookie etc. With the bad economy the money spent racing wouldn´t pay off for anyone. But It would be really interesting to know if any of the riders would race f they were given the opportunity.
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DrSweden 4/24/2011 2:02pm
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500guy wrote:
Stewart turned down the chance to be used by a bullshit Government and greedy race promoter.

I applaud him
Jay, that's just ridiculous. You suggest that's the reason he said no? He analyzed the GP vs AMA situation with the price money and the TV-coverage etc and came to the conclusion with a tear in his eye that GL is victimizing his riders and DC is a saint, so let's support DC business only, and screw Nelson and poor black kids in South Africa!!!

After that took he took a crash course in international politics and find out that the corruption within South African government didn't go in line with his political views?

Just say you don't want to agree with me instead of this BS.
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500guy wrote:
Stewart turned down the chance to be used by a bullshit Government and greedy race promoter.

I applaud him
DrSweden wrote:
Jay, that's just ridiculous. You suggest that's the reason he said no? He analyzed the GP vs AMA situation with the price money and the TV-coverage...
Jay, that's just ridiculous. You suggest that's the reason he said no? He analyzed the GP vs AMA situation with the price money and the TV-coverage etc and came to the conclusion with a tear in his eye that GL is victimizing his riders and DC is a saint, so let's support DC business only, and screw Nelson and poor black kids in South Africa!!!

After that took he took a crash course in international politics and find out that the corruption within South African government didn't go in line with his political views?

Just say you don't want to agree with me instead of this BS.
I guess I should have just said I thought your post was stupid like normal because it was.

Stewart does not owe Africa , South Africa or any other country anything. They tried to use him, he said no.
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flarider 4/24/2011 2:10pm
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motogrady wrote:
Maybe so, but then again, nothing ventured, nothing gained. You'd think the exposure, the fame and bargaining power a GP win would bring would have guys...
Maybe so, but then again, nothing ventured, nothing gained.
You'd think the exposure, the fame and bargaining power a GP win would bring would have guys think differently.
I guess not.


Look at Reed. What was he thinking?
DrSweden wrote:
Doing stuff for glory, honor, fun or for the stats might make sense at that point in life were we realize it's not all about the...
Doing stuff for glory, honor, fun or for the stats might make sense at that point in life were we realize it's not all about the money. But to expect these dollar dazed riders often only home schooled, being less than 30, even less than 20 to have figure these things out already, is a bit optimistic.

I remember when Stewart got an invitation from Nelson Mandela himself to do the GP of South Africa in an attempt to give the black kids in South Africa some inspiration, but obviously there was not enough money on the table, so dumbfuck turned it down!!! Imagine if he had done that, maybe even have pic with him and Nelson, and some black kids from the South African ghetto next to them all smiles. Also most likely a GP win, well you get the picture... Nooo. Give me $$$$$$$$, I need new rims for my Lambo! LOL!

Takes decades to figure some stuff out, and those that think money is the sole goals are up for a surprise...
500guy wrote:
Stewart turned down the chance to be used by a bullshit Government and greedy race promoter.

I applaud him
THIS is correct.
It was a political stunt and they wanted no part of it.
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mrquick 4/24/2011 2:23pm
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mrquick wrote:
why does it always have to be about the money? Thats whats wrong with the world today.
flarider wrote:
You work for free?

You get paid for working? That's what's wrong with the world today, wanting to get paid for working
you ever go out and ride just for the fun of it or do you have to be paid?

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