The United States and oil....

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Edited Date/Time 1/16/2012 3:33pm
It is my thinking that we have a HUGE supply of oil here, and offshore. We have filled caves full of it, and continue to stockpile it...but keep getting a large amount from overseas...why?

I think, that we are doing that, knowing that some day, 'the middle east' will be out of oil, but we will still have our supply. I think it's a way to ensure the longevity of the US. Use up other's natural resources before we use up our own!!!


Maybe not....
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Don't you have some illegal scumbags to defend somewhere...
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I would agree with that assessment.

I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think you're right. I think we should start using our own oil and set a time table to come up with an alternative. It could be done, but oil has a very powerful lobby and doesn't want to see this happen. The US is fat with Natural Gas, and that conversion is not very costly, and very effective. Big Oil knows this and is buying up natural gas company's as we speak.

It's all about power and money.
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jmar wrote:
I would agree with that assessment. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think you're right. I think we should start using our own oil...
I would agree with that assessment.

I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think you're right. I think we should start using our own oil and set a time table to come up with an alternative. It could be done, but oil has a very powerful lobby and doesn't want to see this happen. The US is fat with Natural Gas, and that conversion is not very costly, and very effective. Big Oil knows this and is buying up natural gas company's as we speak.

It's all about power and money.
"it's all about power and money."...


Yep, and in the future, who holds the oil/natural resources, has all the power and money!!!!
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How much oil reserves do we have?

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txmxer wrote:
How much oil reserves do we have?
A lot.
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When I hear someone say we have "caves of oil", and when asked how much reserves are available they answer, "A lot", then there's no point asking that person any more questions. Oil does not exist in caves, and reserves are irrelevant, what matters is how much you can get out of the ground which, in America's case is not "A lot" for a country that uses 20 million bbl/d.
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huck wrote:
It is my thinking that we have a HUGE supply of oil here, and offshore. We have filled caves full of it, and continue to stockpile...
It is my thinking that we have a HUGE supply of oil here, and offshore. We have filled caves full of it, and continue to stockpile it...but keep getting a large amount from overseas...why?

I think, that we are doing that, knowing that some day, 'the middle east' will be out of oil, but we will still have our supply. I think it's a way to ensure the longevity of the US. Use up other's natural resources before we use up our own!!!


Maybe not....
Which is why I do not agree with the "Drill, Baby, Drill" philosophy.
I believe it is in our best National interest to keep whatever natural resources we have, in the ground, and use/buy the resources from other regions.
It is in our best interest long term to deplete their resources while maintaining our own, so when the time comes that those resources become more scarce, we still have ours.

I am not against drilling offshore, in ANWAR or anywhere else for environmental reasons, but for National resource preservation (strategic) reasons
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WhKnuckle wrote:
When I hear someone say we have "caves of oil", and when asked how much reserves are available they answer, "A lot", then there's no point...
When I hear someone say we have "caves of oil", and when asked how much reserves are available they answer, "A lot", then there's no point asking that person any more questions. Oil does not exist in caves, and reserves are irrelevant, what matters is how much you can get out of the ground which, in America's case is not "A lot" for a country that uses 20 million bbl/d.
To answer your question:
727,000,000 barrels of oil

http://www.fossil.energy.gov/programs/reserves/

As well as the possible 200billion barrel oil field in North Dakota.

http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news2.13s.html
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jmar wrote:
I would agree with that assessment. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think you're right. I think we should start using our own oil...
I would agree with that assessment.

I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think you're right. I think we should start using our own oil and set a time table to come up with an alternative. It could be done, but oil has a very powerful lobby and doesn't want to see this happen. The US is fat with Natural Gas, and that conversion is not very costly, and very effective. Big Oil knows this and is buying up natural gas company's as we speak.

It's all about power and money.
Agree with the Natural Gas alternative. The only problem is that it is relatively cheap now, but if we start converting to it as a primary source of energy then economics take over. Demand will increase the cost, just like with oil. The more demand, the greater the cost. This will hold true with any resource that is finite. Then we will bitch about the natural gas companies screwing us (which in many cases will be the same companies controlling the oil today).

I am not a huge Solar fan or anything, but it seems that the only infinite energy source we have as a current (but not currently economically justified) source is the Sun and we should rely more on solar and less on the non-renewable sources on earth?
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. The only problem is that it is relatively cheap now, but if we start converting to it as a primary source of energy then economics take over. Demand will increase the cost, just like with oil.

That's were regulation should come into play. I personally don't believe that any type of energy should be allowed to be traded on the market.
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jmar wrote:
I would agree with that assessment. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think you're right. I think we should start using our own oil...
I would agree with that assessment.

I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think you're right. I think we should start using our own oil and set a time table to come up with an alternative. It could be done, but oil has a very powerful lobby and doesn't want to see this happen. The US is fat with Natural Gas, and that conversion is not very costly, and very effective. Big Oil knows this and is buying up natural gas company's as we speak.

It's all about power and money.
AZ35 wrote:
Agree with the Natural Gas alternative. The only problem is that it is relatively cheap now, but if we start converting to it as a primary...
Agree with the Natural Gas alternative. The only problem is that it is relatively cheap now, but if we start converting to it as a primary source of energy then economics take over. Demand will increase the cost, just like with oil. The more demand, the greater the cost. This will hold true with any resource that is finite. Then we will bitch about the natural gas companies screwing us (which in many cases will be the same companies controlling the oil today).

I am not a huge Solar fan or anything, but it seems that the only infinite energy source we have as a current (but not currently economically justified) source is the Sun and we should rely more on solar and less on the non-renewable sources on earth?
Solar is the future. We definitely need to improve technology in this area, but, in 100 years, I expect most of our energy will come from solar.

Fossil fuel use will be reserved for governments and military applications.
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Geologists speculate that Mexico will be out of oil by 2012-13 if they continue to use oil at the rate they do and don't find some more that's why It's dumb to think we can use the oil they have when whoever we buy oil from runs out.
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All the oil is in Iraq.
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huck wrote:
It is my thinking that we have a HUGE supply of oil here, and offshore. We have filled caves full of it, and continue to stockpile...
It is my thinking that we have a HUGE supply of oil here, and offshore. We have filled caves full of it, and continue to stockpile it...but keep getting a large amount from overseas...why?

I think, that we are doing that, knowing that some day, 'the middle east' will be out of oil, but we will still have our supply. I think it's a way to ensure the longevity of the US. Use up other's natural resources before we use up our own!!!


Maybe not....
that has to be the underlieing reason. OR they are really just that stupid.
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4/25/2011 9:08am Edited Date/Time 4/25/2011 9:09am
jmar wrote:
I would agree with that assessment. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think you're right. I think we should start using our own oil...
I would agree with that assessment.

I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think you're right. I think we should start using our own oil and set a time table to come up with an alternative. It could be done, but oil has a very powerful lobby and doesn't want to see this happen. The US is fat with Natural Gas, and that conversion is not very costly, and very effective. Big Oil knows this and is buying up natural gas company's as we speak.

It's all about power and money.
AZ35 wrote:
Agree with the Natural Gas alternative. The only problem is that it is relatively cheap now, but if we start converting to it as a primary...
Agree with the Natural Gas alternative. The only problem is that it is relatively cheap now, but if we start converting to it as a primary source of energy then economics take over. Demand will increase the cost, just like with oil. The more demand, the greater the cost. This will hold true with any resource that is finite. Then we will bitch about the natural gas companies screwing us (which in many cases will be the same companies controlling the oil today).

I am not a huge Solar fan or anything, but it seems that the only infinite energy source we have as a current (but not currently economically justified) source is the Sun and we should rely more on solar and less on the non-renewable sources on earth?
txmxer wrote:
Solar is the future. We definitely need to improve technology in this area, but, in 100 years, I expect most of our energy will come from...
Solar is the future. We definitely need to improve technology in this area, but, in 100 years, I expect most of our energy will come from solar.

Fossil fuel use will be reserved for governments and military applications.
Solar will never be viable until massive energy storage is available. Too intermittent and unreliable for our needs.
All renewables- wind, solar, geothermal, all of it added together is about 3-4% of our electricity fuel capacity.

Unreliable, not as in the sun won't shine, but it can't be relied on to keep a reliable electricity supply with our current electric grid.
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AZ35 wrote:
Agree with the Natural Gas alternative. The only problem is that it is relatively cheap now, but if we start converting to it as a primary...
Agree with the Natural Gas alternative. The only problem is that it is relatively cheap now, but if we start converting to it as a primary source of energy then economics take over. Demand will increase the cost, just like with oil. The more demand, the greater the cost. This will hold true with any resource that is finite. Then we will bitch about the natural gas companies screwing us (which in many cases will be the same companies controlling the oil today).

I am not a huge Solar fan or anything, but it seems that the only infinite energy source we have as a current (but not currently economically justified) source is the Sun and we should rely more on solar and less on the non-renewable sources on earth?
txmxer wrote:
Solar is the future. We definitely need to improve technology in this area, but, in 100 years, I expect most of our energy will come from...
Solar is the future. We definitely need to improve technology in this area, but, in 100 years, I expect most of our energy will come from solar.

Fossil fuel use will be reserved for governments and military applications.
Solar will never be viable until massive energy storage is available. Too intermittent and unreliable for our needs. All renewables- wind, solar, geothermal, all of it...
Solar will never be viable until massive energy storage is available. Too intermittent and unreliable for our needs.
All renewables- wind, solar, geothermal, all of it added together is about 3-4% of our electricity fuel capacity.

Unreliable, not as in the sun won't shine, but it can't be relied on to keep a reliable electricity supply with our current electric grid.
No doubt there are issues, but, those issues must be overcome in order to continue our current path of high energy use.

I've pondered the concept of energy storage for many years. Current technology use batteries, spinning mass, thermal storage, pressure, etc. None are efficient nor do they have good long term capacity, with the exception storing potential mechanical energy via something like a water tower.

Possible that cold fusion is an answer to expanding needs, but I'm not holding my breath on that.

Point is, we will have to develop reliable storage...can't just write it off because it doesn't exist today or it's difficult to do.
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Obviously what we're doing isn't working.
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txmxer wrote:
Solar is the future. We definitely need to improve technology in this area, but, in 100 years, I expect most of our energy will come from...
Solar is the future. We definitely need to improve technology in this area, but, in 100 years, I expect most of our energy will come from solar.

Fossil fuel use will be reserved for governments and military applications.
Solar will never be viable until massive energy storage is available. Too intermittent and unreliable for our needs. All renewables- wind, solar, geothermal, all of it...
Solar will never be viable until massive energy storage is available. Too intermittent and unreliable for our needs.
All renewables- wind, solar, geothermal, all of it added together is about 3-4% of our electricity fuel capacity.

Unreliable, not as in the sun won't shine, but it can't be relied on to keep a reliable electricity supply with our current electric grid.
txmxer wrote:
No doubt there are issues, but, those issues must be overcome in order to continue our current path of high energy use. I've pondered the concept...
No doubt there are issues, but, those issues must be overcome in order to continue our current path of high energy use.

I've pondered the concept of energy storage for many years. Current technology use batteries, spinning mass, thermal storage, pressure, etc. None are efficient nor do they have good long term capacity, with the exception storing potential mechanical energy via something like a water tower.

Possible that cold fusion is an answer to expanding needs, but I'm not holding my breath on that.

Point is, we will have to develop reliable storage...can't just write it off because it doesn't exist today or it's difficult to do.
Interesting. My knowledge is more on the legislative/regulatory side but I am learning more about new technologies. The spinning mass, or flywheel technology is getting more and more development.
What's interesting is that since the electricity business was restructured, a technology has to be economically viable in order to be developed on a large scale. They can't develop a certain technology because it's good for the environment, or gets us off another type of fuel- it has to be commercially scalable and turn a profit.
It's interesting that fossil fuel sources, such as coal power and natural gas, still carry many more government subsidies than wind power, for example.
I think the general public has no idea how far we are from widespread use of renewable sources to make electricity, if we ever do. Especially in a recession and the massive drop in demand we saw. It's hard to develop new technologies when demand is down.
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Interesting. My knowledge is more on the legislative/regulatory side but I am learning more about new technologies. The spinning mass, or flywheel technology is getting more...
Interesting. My knowledge is more on the legislative/regulatory side but I am learning more about new technologies. The spinning mass, or flywheel technology is getting more and more development.
What's interesting is that since the electricity business was restructured, a technology has to be economically viable in order to be developed on a large scale. They can't develop a certain technology because it's good for the environment, or gets us off another type of fuel- it has to be commercially scalable and turn a profit.
It's interesting that fossil fuel sources, such as coal power and natural gas, still carry many more government subsidies than wind power, for example.
I think the general public has no idea how far we are from widespread use of renewable sources to make electricity, if we ever do. Especially in a recession and the massive drop in demand we saw. It's hard to develop new technologies when demand is down.
I'm not sure that is true about funding. I am aware of solar collector projects that have stipulations that prevent optimizing the design using a mix of solar and fossil fuels to improve efficiency and output.

Wind farms are highly subsidized. On the other hand, if you are aware of subsidies for fossil fuel power plants, I'd like to know more about this. We are putting in a gas turbine that has some federal funding, but it is a significant efficiency improvement for a college campus and economically has great payback.
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What I have a hard time with is, why have the Auto Manufacturers around the world not purchased wells of their own to sell gas to their customers? Say America never drills. EPA - Greenies - Tree Huggers etc. We ship more oil out of the north slope of Alaska for the sake of money. America has the oil. Texas, California, the Gulf. Where is that oil going? Some to us, much more overseas.

So our prices are based on the Middle East and our Financial structure of Wall Street. Meanwhile Our President - has decided to make a committee on whats going on with the gas prices. OK so $30 Billion in a quarter may not be gouging. really how much money do the Oil barons need?

Something to think about. How many hybrid/electric cars are there on the road? How many combustion cars are there. Guess what? Gas hits $6-8 bucks, no auto manufacturer in the world will survive that blast radius. I believe that America will simply say Up yours. No way are people going to pay gas for their cars, transportation fees and all other road associated costs. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Change happened. It wasnt good change, but it was change. Barry better do some Fancy Dancing. He fell flat on his self proclaimed job duties.

Gas is way more expensive
We are still in Afganistain/Iraq
Now looking at Lybia

Did ANYONE get their mortgage or gas paid? Shit at least with Bush we had money in our pockets. Facts are facts there. Argue it if you want, but we all had more jobs and more money. Most of all Gas was $2 and change.

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