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....but what happens when you get your bike "claimed'? I've read a few articles and posts that had to do with claiming a bike, and honestly, I don't know what thats all about.
I know, I know, STFU noob, but really, if you don't know, ask, right?
Flamers, flame away. Anyone else, shed some light?
I know, I know, STFU noob, but really, if you don't know, ask, right?
Flamers, flame away. Anyone else, shed some light?
There was a thread where Alessi's 85 got claimed, and I read an article that back in the day, Bob Hanna was afraid his works bike would get claimed at a race.
???
It was high stakes there for awhile, with what the factories were doing at the time.
If you beat me in a moto, why the hell would I demand your bike? I don't get the ruling on how someone can take another racer's machine.
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1. *All sanctioned motocross and youth meets are
claiming meets. The claiming price shall be 30 percent
over (50 percent over for Supermini) manufacturer’s
suggested retail price using the Black Book AMA
Official Motorcycle Value Guide, Kelly Blue Book or
NADA appraisal guide and include the complete
motorcycle, supermini or minicycle. Vintage- and ATVclass
equipment shall be excluded from the claiming
rule.
2. Any rider (claimant) may enter a claim for a motorcycle,
supermini or minicycle ridden in an event in which the
claimant has competed. A claim must be entered with the
referee after the meet has been completed, but no later
than 30 minutes afterward. The referee then notifies the
owner of the claimed motorcycle and may take possession
of it.
3. Cash, certified check or bank draft must accompany a
claim. The owner of the claimed motorcycle must
immediately deliver it intact, along with a clear title or bill of
sale.
4. If more than one claim is received for the same
motorcycle, the meet referee will hold a drawing to
determine the successful claimant.
5. If a rider whose motorcycle is claimed refuses to comply,
he must forfeit his trophy, is disqualified from the meet and
will be suspended for one year.
6. A rider may not enter a claim on his own equipment.
Page 27 of the 2011 AMA Racing Rulebook.
Let's say, $100,000.00. One hundred thousand dollars.
Anyone that ran against that guy in that race can claim the winners bike for the set price.
But you have to have the money.
The factories had an unwritten rule, if ever a works bike was claimed, all the factories would bid to keep it from the public.
The winner of the bid got the right to claim.
A few times, private guys did, and won.
It's supposed to keep the price of racing down.
I mean, who want's a million dollar bike going to goonerichboy.
Period.
Blue book DOES NOT take into consideration your mods, no matter how much, Blue Book is based on STOCK
If you refuse to hand the bike over to me, your license will be suspended for one year and your race finish will be disqualified.
World Mini, no (NMA)
Not in pro racing, amateur only
The "Claiming rule" may be instituted at ANY AMA sanctioned race, local, regional or national. (This includes LL qualifiers)
If it's an AMA race requiring an AMA membership, the rule may be utilized
He claimed Mike's Supermini, which was his final race at LL's in mini-sized class.
Terry Varner was supposed to keep it as his reward, and he was spitting bullets. Lot's of stomping around and pissed off people. Steve Carnegie was doing his best to keep things calm, while everyone was standing around going "That rule still exists?"
Legend has it, that Chatfield's claiming was retribution for the Alessi protest and tear down of Chatfield's bike the week prior at Ponca, even though Alessi had beaten him (protested they guy they beat). Mr Chatfield was not happy with having to have the bike reassembled (when protested, you get back "a bike in a box," they don't reassemble), so Chatfield brought a wad of cash to LL's and at the end of the third supermini moto, while all the riders and bikes were in the impound (usually lasts 5 minutes), Mr Chatfield walked up to Carnegie (AMA ref at the time), handed him a wad of cash and said he's claiming Mike's bike.
FIREWORKS!
They locked the bike in a container for a while while it was all straightened out, because then counter-claims were trying to be worked out (in the event of multiple claims, drawing straws determines winner) and so Varner/Alessi had like 30 minutes to come up with the money and enter a claim using another rider racing in the class.
By the way, a member of this forum is now in possession of the famed "Alessi Supermini"
In another claiming story, Todd Heemsbergen of TH Racing claimed Adam Cianciarulo's "stock" Cobra 50 at the Lake Whitney national one year. It became a big story at the time because Todd brought the bike to the Oak Hill GNC the next week with a sign over the number plate that said "Cheater Bike". After the Oak Hill race, Todd then took the bike apart and compared it to a "stock" Cobra 50. He documented all of the differences in these two "stock" bikes on the internet. There were some pretty significant differences in these two "stock" bikes. It appeared that Adam's "stock" bike wasn't so "stock" after all and Todd outed them on the internet where a simple protest would not have caught most, and probably none, of the differences. It was great internet fodder at the time.
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When i first read this thread, Tripes Honda was what i thought about, however i cou;dnt remember the specifics(sucks to get old )lol
That part i did remember was, even though the guy did claim and get the bike, if and when it ever broke a part, where would you get replacment parts?
I'm really surprised that more bikes don't get claimed at the AMA amateur nationals (or local AMA events for that matter). The only reason that I can come up with is that most Mini-parents don't want to deal with the aftermath and the stigma that comes with doing it.
If I had a kid racing supermini's, I would certainly give it a go knowing what I now know after having taken possession of the "Alessi bike".
Post on Alessi's found "claimed" bike by a Oldskool. Fun reading a little MX history.
http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Alessi-03-Claimed-Super-M…
Photos of said bike, it was pretty!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34396295@N07/sets/72157624520834062/
With this kind of thinking, it sure makes one's walks around the pits at an amateur national a lot more interesting!!!
I would lose a TON of money if someone claimed my son's supermini...
Fox MX-C cartridge forks
Applied billet top triple clamp
Factory Connection coated shock with reworked internals
Factory Connection shock spring
TH Racing engine
billet aluminum head
V-Force 3
Custom flat slide carb with high RPM fuel control
Renthal Fat Bars
ASV levers
RAD Mfg hubs
Excel rims
FMF Fatty
FMF titanium silencer
Boyesen ignition cover
Hinson clutch
Moose Racing billet clutch basket
etc., etc.,etc... You get the picture.
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