ok DC, how about a racer x poll?

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jndmx 4/12/2011 11:14am
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Here is the idea I have. Make it a four region series with the top five from each region meeting at Glenhellen for the title. It...
Here is the idea I have.

Make it a four region series with the top five from each region meeting at Glenhellen for the title.

It has to have a hard age limit, 16-18. All riders have to be eligable for LL's Pro Sport class. If you win the title your ineligable the following year.

Bikes must run under the same rules as LL's modifeid class.

I think these rules will keep it young and affordable. It would also attract all the fast amatuers who want to move up and local fast kids looking to test their speed while keeping their amatuer status.

I would look forward to this instead of eating durring intermission.
That is an interesting idea.

Only wrinkle I can see is that most of the 16-18 yr olds I see racing are doing everything they can to stay in the B class.
If you remove the "Pro/Sport" requirement you would probably draw more riders in that age gruop.
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mag23 4/12/2011 11:36am
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a 125 support class would be really cool, but isn't it obvious this is a poloitical decision not to run with it? Having WMA stuffed down our throats isn't evidence enough? I would much rather watch the next 15 year old Barcia flogging a 125, than watch the ladies. Sometimes things make too much sense to be realized. Maybe it's for insurance reasons, ha!!!
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I think a 250T support class would be more successful because the big jumps on the National tracks are better suited to them and because 250T's are more prevalent.
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All other arguments aside, I would like to see the results of a poll. I would think that the 125 class would be a landslide victory in this poll. There is good reason for that too. Amazing racing to watch. I think that it should be kept as simple as possible. U/19's class works amazingly well here in Australia, with plenty of factory support without real "Factory" rides. With the current state of AMA motocross, they could learn a whole lot from how well the Australian motocross nationals are run, and the rules that have been implemented to allow maximum participation levels from riders and maximum interest levels from fans.

BRING BACK THE 125 CLASS BEFORE ITS TOO LATE !!!!

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I have zero doubt a public fan pole would have huge support, but none of those fans voting help setup or make that class run. It takes time, people, and money. And with the nationals fast approaching you have almost no time to get it setup so people can build bikes and make plans. Most kids racing 125s now have a pretty set schedule and budget for the summer that includes that giant money blackhole that is LLs.
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I have zero doubt a public fan pole would have huge support, but none of those fans voting help setup or make that class run. It...
I have zero doubt a public fan pole would have huge support, but none of those fans voting help setup or make that class run. It takes time, people, and money. And with the nationals fast approaching you have almost no time to get it setup so people can build bikes and make plans. Most kids racing 125s now have a pretty set schedule and budget for the summer that includes that giant money blackhole that is LLs.
No shit, that's why I've been bringing this topic up on numerous occasions over the past year to allow people time to plan and get ready for it. Now, it is too late to put anything together for this year and have it appear anything but thrown together at the last moment. Recipe for disaster at this point.

But when you have people such as Don Emler Sr. voicing support and stating that "I'm in", there really is no doubt that more than just a few old casual fans have interest. Emler would be a perfect voice for a 125 class if you think about it. His business literally was built off of the 125 and he's supported 125 efforts throughout the history of MX here in the US.

And about those fans that vote, I'm one of them. And as a fan of the sport, I've offered three grand for holeshot awards and bet I could find someone to match it. That would be a cool grand per each of six races with someone matching my offer. I've also stated that given time to prepare a bike, that I would put a bike out on the track for some deserving rider. All from a single "fan" that appreciates this sport enough to try and give a little back in an effort to preserve something that has been gutted from the sport.

There are a lot of up and coming riders out there that seem to disappear when their amateur days come to an end. This might just be the ticket to get them that last bit of exposure in front of a national audience to make the next step up. And from MX Sports end of the deal, everything is basically already in place with the nationals. And it would fit in just as the WMA classes do.
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Shawn142 4/13/2011 7:14am
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I don't really want to make it sound like I'm against this completely because I'm not. I think there's a place for this market and racing, but I just don't see the nationals being it. To gain real momentum and support to me this needs to be it's own series. If MX Sports strings this together last minute and it's a disappointment then it dies there and everyone says 'told you so'. But a series can start small and be built on.
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newmann 4/13/2011 7:26am
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I agree that they shouldn't string it together at the last minute. At this point, when the nationals kick off I think they should announce it and promote it for next year. I think the response would be pretty damn good.
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burn1986 4/13/2011 7:29am
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IMO We need some kind of rider sign up and committment, and/ or track owner. Maybe a call/ email to each one of the tracks. I guess a database could be set up to log replies and names of sponsors, rides and track owners (possibly starting with the Nat tracks and going from there).
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FreshTopEnd 4/13/2011 10:26am
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CamP wrote:
I think a 250T support class would be more successful because the big jumps on the National tracks are better suited to them and because 250T's...
I think a 250T support class would be more successful because the big jumps on the National tracks are better suited to them and because 250T's are more prevalent.
Here's my concern with that, and it has nothing to do with smokers or strokers. Whenever there's another event at the nationals, whether WMX or the two stroke event at GH a couple years ago, they just seem so damn slow compared to the show the guys are putting on pushing the top 20 in the 250/450 premier classes.

That's not to say those men and women are slow, and I'm sure they are a lot more impressive when they don't have to be compared to the best.

The best hope would be a crop of the fast kids, whether that's on 85's or 125's, that could have at least about 5 guys in the mix. I don't think a 250T support class is going to produce anything but a crop of older riders that are plenty fast, but not fast enough to qualify, and pretty unimpressive given who else is racing that day.
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newmann 4/13/2011 10:32am
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CamP wrote:
I think a 250T support class would be more successful because the big jumps on the National tracks are better suited to them and because 250T's...
I think a 250T support class would be more successful because the big jumps on the National tracks are better suited to them and because 250T's are more prevalent.
FreshTopEnd wrote:
Here's my concern with that, and it has nothing to do with smokers or strokers. Whenever there's another event at the nationals, whether WMX or the...
Here's my concern with that, and it has nothing to do with smokers or strokers. Whenever there's another event at the nationals, whether WMX or the two stroke event at GH a couple years ago, they just seem so damn slow compared to the show the guys are putting on pushing the top 20 in the 250/450 premier classes.

That's not to say those men and women are slow, and I'm sure they are a lot more impressive when they don't have to be compared to the best.

The best hope would be a crop of the fast kids, whether that's on 85's or 125's, that could have at least about 5 guys in the mix. I don't think a 250T support class is going to produce anything but a crop of older riders that are plenty fast, but not fast enough to qualify, and pretty unimpressive given who else is racing that day.
Needs to be a true to life 125cc Outdoor National Championship. With a championship on the line and a chance to etch your name in the record books there will be fast racers and there will be competition.
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CamP wrote:
I think a 250T support class would be more successful because the big jumps on the National tracks are better suited to them and because 250T's...
I think a 250T support class would be more successful because the big jumps on the National tracks are better suited to them and because 250T's are more prevalent.
FreshTopEnd wrote:
Here's my concern with that, and it has nothing to do with smokers or strokers. Whenever there's another event at the nationals, whether WMX or the...
Here's my concern with that, and it has nothing to do with smokers or strokers. Whenever there's another event at the nationals, whether WMX or the two stroke event at GH a couple years ago, they just seem so damn slow compared to the show the guys are putting on pushing the top 20 in the 250/450 premier classes.

That's not to say those men and women are slow, and I'm sure they are a lot more impressive when they don't have to be compared to the best.

The best hope would be a crop of the fast kids, whether that's on 85's or 125's, that could have at least about 5 guys in the mix. I don't think a 250T support class is going to produce anything but a crop of older riders that are plenty fast, but not fast enough to qualify, and pretty unimpressive given who else is racing that day.
newmann wrote:
Needs to be a true to life 125cc Outdoor National Championship. With a championship on the line and a chance to etch your name in the...
Needs to be a true to life 125cc Outdoor National Championship. With a championship on the line and a chance to etch your name in the record books there will be fast racers and there will be competition.
So, Hey DC, how about a RAcer x poll to shut us up once and for all. Prove us wrong.


Right now, we have nothing other than a politically correct women's class and a purchased manufacturer's cup. One tries to sell bikes to girls, and the other tries to sell bikes that no one wants to buy without a displacement handicap. Why can't we have a race that goes to the core of the sport?
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FreshTopEnd 4/13/2011 12:10pm
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CamP wrote:
I think a 250T support class would be more successful because the big jumps on the National tracks are better suited to them and because 250T's...
I think a 250T support class would be more successful because the big jumps on the National tracks are better suited to them and because 250T's are more prevalent.
FreshTopEnd wrote:
Here's my concern with that, and it has nothing to do with smokers or strokers. Whenever there's another event at the nationals, whether WMX or the...
Here's my concern with that, and it has nothing to do with smokers or strokers. Whenever there's another event at the nationals, whether WMX or the two stroke event at GH a couple years ago, they just seem so damn slow compared to the show the guys are putting on pushing the top 20 in the 250/450 premier classes.

That's not to say those men and women are slow, and I'm sure they are a lot more impressive when they don't have to be compared to the best.

The best hope would be a crop of the fast kids, whether that's on 85's or 125's, that could have at least about 5 guys in the mix. I don't think a 250T support class is going to produce anything but a crop of older riders that are plenty fast, but not fast enough to qualify, and pretty unimpressive given who else is racing that day.
newmann wrote:
Needs to be a true to life 125cc Outdoor National Championship. With a championship on the line and a chance to etch your name in the...
Needs to be a true to life 125cc Outdoor National Championship. With a championship on the line and a chance to etch your name in the record books there will be fast racers and there will be competition.
Who would those 125 riders be, and how would they compare in speed to the existing premier class top 20? Real question, not a rhetorical one. Guys who would be eligible for the existing premier classes? LL eligible amateurs?
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burn1986 4/13/2011 12:42pm
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It's a situation where there needs to be some concrete research and discussion done with the riders, track owners, and potential sponsors. I think the current promoters can only offer a limited perspective, since they are already stretched with a series to promote and run. The fastest riders are riding 4-strokes right now because the rules unfairly favor 4-strokes and factories require riders to ride 4-strokes, so the 125 National rider will not be in this class.
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smoke229 4/13/2011 12:49pm
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get rid of the tight age limit, 16-18 is too tight. let anyone not a pro compete.
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Who would those 125 riders be, and how would they compare in speed to the existing premier class top 20? Real question, not a rhetorical one...
Who would those 125 riders be, and how would they compare in speed to the existing premier class top 20? Real question, not a rhetorical one. Guys who would be eligible for the existing premier classes? LL eligible amateurs?
I don't have that answer. The class doesn't exist currently and it doesn't appear as if OEM's want it to. But if it was a 6 round National Championship without a specific age limit (example being 17 and under) I'm sure there are plenty of fast guys whose budgets can't handle 12 rounds of 250F competition. Like I said earlier, seems a lot of top amateurs drop off the map after their amateur hour is over. If it were proposed as a sideshow exhibition race, then that is what it would be. If run as a championship series, then it would attract the talent.
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mcphilly 4/13/2011 1:48pm
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Let the chicks run with the guys.......and bring out the 125s Woohoo
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newmann 4/13/2011 1:50pm
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Hard to compete with this million dollars worth of equipment on the gate at 12 rounds of premier class 250F racing.

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newmann wrote:
Needs to be a true to life 125cc Outdoor National Championship. With a championship on the line and a chance to etch your name in the...
Needs to be a true to life 125cc Outdoor National Championship. With a championship on the line and a chance to etch your name in the record books there will be fast racers and there will be competition.
Bring the125's back. There is a gaping hole after the 80 class.

3 classes again.
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burn1986 4/13/2011 1:56pm
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". . . If it were proposed as a sideshow exhibition race, then that is what it would be. If run as a championship series, then it would attract the talent."

Good point.
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When you think about it, there was even a class between 80s and 125's back in the day, Remember the mighty 100 class.
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When you think about it, there was even a class between 80s and 125's back in the day, Remember the mighty 100 class.
Today it's called supermini.

And the class between 80 and 250 is called schoolboy.

Been to a local race in a while?
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Dropbear 4/13/2011 2:12pm
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Dropbear wrote:
When you think about it, there was even a class between 80s and 125's back in the day, Remember the mighty 100 class.
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Today it's called supermini.

And the class between 80 and 250 is called schoolboy.

Been to a local race in a while?
No I mean full sized 100's. Not bored out minibikes.

Last week at the races actually. No schoolboys only under 19's on 250 4T's.

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