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now that sx is over and the Nationals are starting, has the payout for finishes increased any this season or do riders still make more at an arena cross where there are a few hundred fans compared to the outdoors where there are thousands of fans?
Its a riders choice to do what they do, but for the sake of keeping the Nationals alive I hope they pay these guys closer to what they are worth to keep them showing up
.Or at least dont charge them a gate fee
Its a riders choice to do what they do, but for the sake of keeping the Nationals alive I hope they pay these guys closer to what they are worth to keep them showing up
.Or at least dont charge them a gate fee
The National tracks draw an average of 20,000 fans. Many (60%) pay to camp (in a field) to race amature day $60, and watch on Sunday. Camping $60. and $60. for admittance and $60. to practice and race one class.
Camping income =$720,000.
1000 @ 60 ea amature racer fees= $60,000
Amature racer spectator fees = $720,000
The other 40% (8,000) who come to watch on Sunday only pay $20 ea = $160,000. (parking is always free).
Add to this the never ending 4’ banners around the track the advertising income must be at least 10 bucks total.
Then they charge a % of vending income for the $5 bottles of warm water they sell. This must add up to another 10 bucks or so.
All said and done the income at most of these events is 2 million dollars cash (most never reported to the IRS). This explains the Brinks trucks pulling in/out ever 6 hours.
How could they ever afford to pay the pro racers?
First place should pay at least the same as a top womans bowler makes for a event win........$10,000. They make the majority of income from sponsors also but at least they have an incentive to at least try and win unlike this sport.
Maybe DMG will turn things around. The sport needs it.
plus the riders dont really need the prize money...they get tons of marketing from the event and the tv show.
The reason there are only 2-3 guys trying to win is there is ZERO purse money. This is what makes this sport unworthy of LIVE tv coverage.
Have you ever had a friend over who does not race motocross and watch a race? After the first corner the look on their face is utter boredom. That alone speaks volumes of our sport.
People would rather watch 3-4 hours of cars going in circles (close to each other) than 1-2 guys riding a murdercycle on dirt by themselves.
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The Pros are on a free pass all year long at Glen Helen. Over 100 top names on that list.
As for pay out (Purse) it has never been a reason to hang it out. The money earned through monetary sponsorship has always been what makes them work hard.
As for the purse money they do win...It usually goes to the race Mechanic, as a jester of gratitude.
And for what it's worth...you have to be a millionaire these days to promote a National Motocross. It cost a lot more than you think.
For one, the land is not just sitting there...it is owned and operated. New track crews come in. 100s of port o cans...fencing, Hiring local police for a week, 24 hours a day. Heavy equipment rentals, Tents, Permits etc., etc., I mean it goes on, and on.
I agree the riders deserve more, but so do a lot of professions, like Police, Firemen, Armed forces, I'd like a few more bucks myself.
As far as being reported to the IRS...The IRS (an Agent) is present all week end.
If it takes a millionaire to promote a Outdoor National, why after some that have had Nationals for at least 35 years still continue to have them?
the advertisers pay you if anybody is watching.
somebody better start gettin em to watch.
everybody wins.
purses are huge.
sport goes large!
2nd only to football
chicks pull you over and want to shag you just because you have an fmf sticker on yer pickup
everybody wins.
purses are huge.
sport goes large!
2nd only to football
chicks pull you over and want to shag you just because you have an fmf sticker on yer pickup"
Well this how it "WORCS" for us...
The requirement to pay to put the series on TV was a huge liability for AMA Pro and a key reason for them wanting to get out of pro racing entirely and farm it out. They ended up selling everything. The tracks didn't pay for TV. It's also partly the reason the NPG's proposal to keep running the series stayed at the bottom of the pile-no TV power.
The nats are lucky this summer because they get a ride on the current Speed TV deal. Next year, its DMG's baby.
Little known fun fact- There is no finished DMG/NPG contract right now. They are going into this summer on a handshake.
I think some of you are over estimating the number of Brinks trucks a little! But, then again, the series has been run by some very secretive people and still is. Make your own conclusions and stop talking about my family! whaaaah
As I recall it cost me $10 to get into the races and the program was $2.00 for a little reference as to how much $10,000 would have been back then.
ps: much of what i wrote and this one is sarcasm!
When there is talk of a rider's union in the US, the promoters get purple-faced with rage.
I have seen it.
The top riders make a lot of money and the promoters actually resent paying them.
At least SX tries harder and pays more, even though they hate it.
any good partner has no problem paying his partner his fair share! If they "hate it" its obvious they dont consider the riders their partners or even necessary for their existance.
if thats true the riders should form a union to push their employer to pay the fair share. they are in an employer employee relationship whether anyone wants to admit it or not.
But, promoters haven't changed.
Right now, teams (and even media) are too often treated as competitors and not partners. That requires a significant and real culture change. If DMG can pull that off, it would be huge, but I wouldn't count on it. Sounds like all talk to me.
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It would certainly be interesting to watch the guys who have been doing the screwing have to bend over for a change. They all certainly were squirming like crazy this summer... lmao.
And it got worse after Budds, until DMG threw them a bone, they were purpled-faced paranoid.
Always...
Gotta love the supporters of MX and the privateer. Guess who they've featured......DV12 and Heath Voss.
Puuhleese.......those fools got permanent numbers and you got them in privateer profile!
Sorry folks.........get prepared for 32 guy's showing up for Unadilla this year.....unless they change the rules and let local B class guy's take a crack at it like they did with SX this year for the Lites guys (who have money and access to 450's and transportation and a semi)
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