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Typically service dogs get more grooming (baths and such) and will have less dander.
There are many types of medical service dogs. Your point of view is flawed because you believe only people that you can "see" their disability qualifies, so you can judge them. Reality is, you can't see many disabilities so you don't know what help they get. I have many times people walk up to me and say "you don't need a service gog, that's just a pet.
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Sydney also had "therapy dog" training. So she's been places to brighten people's day that otherwise would be miserable.
All dogs have bad owners, in only 1 breed does that lead to death and serious injury. They're all sweet until they aren't. The data that does exist is overwhelming that the breed is the problem, and the data very much under reports the damage they do. Have personally seen multiple cases of kids with their face torn off, permanently disfigured, one died, and it's the same old bullshit every time of it being a beloved family dog that never hurt anyone, until it did.... no amount of training or socialization removes their inherent character. Never seen a serious dog bite injury from a golden retriever. There's no benefit to owning pits that can't be found in other dogs and isn't outweighed by the risk they present. I would not hesitate to put a bullet in one if it came on my property or took a step towards me in public, and I'm a dog lover. If you want a tough working dog there's other breeds to choose from that carry some of the same risk but not nearly the same degree. There's a reason you don't see police and military using pits. I'm a dog lover, wouldn't personally own a Doberman either, but pits stand alone in the risk they present and I would love to have them all eliminated.
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I'm sure there are. I've seen that some dogs can detect a seizure and stuff like that but where do you draw the line? "My 90lb pit/bully mix makes me smile more so I should be allowed to take him anywhere I want"
As long as there are folks that don't give a shit or are just plain stupid we have to have limits. (I ain't saying you're either one pard...just explaining my pov).
Well, that would be called an emotional support animal. ESA (not the same thing and also not legal), and because soooo many people took advantage of that. Airlines stopped giving an extra seat for medical service dogs. Because people just wanted to bring along a "pet" with a vest. But in your example, A person is driving along the highway and the dog detects a stroke about to happen, the driver can safely pull over without harming others. You'd rather they travel alone? The ADA law is written loosely as there are many different needs. But there is wide spread abuse which makes me angry.
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I think it’s the restaurant’s static environment that creates issues. In retail spaces or outdoors the encounter is brief. In a sit-down facility patrons and service animals are in close proximity for an extended (and sometimes pricey) period of time. Most peoples idea of a nice dining experience do not include sitting next to a stranger’s animal.
Has it happened to you or is this a future concern?
Man, that is absolutely horrible. I did not know a lot of that data. I have heard some horror stories as well about the breed but figured it was all in how you raise them. It seems they have a predisposed personality for violence and aggression.
I don't know what the data shows now but at one time it was something like pits accounted for 10% of dog pets but 90% of bite incidents requiring medical attention.
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My dog goes with me places. When I lived in Austin, he went into bars and at restaurants we sat outside. That being said, he is a smaller dog at 15lbs and extremely well mannered. All of you hating on animals and trying to dictate where they can and can't go? It isn't your world, and you don't make the laws. Allergic to dogs? Take a pill like you normally do every single day for allergies. I couldn't care less for everyone complaining. K
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The data is overwhelming that the breed is the problem. I think deep down even their owners know it. The intimidation and tough guy factor is the draw, then they want to pretend it doesn't exist or can be trained out of them. Just baffling to me, I don't understand what the argument is for choosing the breed that comes with increased risk and no clear upside to justify that.
I haven't been to a restaurant in a long time too so i have no observations of dogs there. I like dogs and have never seen any bad behavior by a dog in a store.
I'll tell you what does irritate me, people walking their dog on the bike/walking path with one of those long retractable leashes. The dog is wondering all over the place and I never know if the dog is going to decide to run in front of me when i am riding my bicycle by. It used to happen when i jogged all the time too. The owners are just not being self aware.
Where my mom lives at the assisted care facility there is a yappy dog that one of the residents owns. The dogs owner lives on the first floor facing the parking lot and she has a patio which she lets the dog out to with a short doggy fence to contain the dog. The dog yaps non stop, even when inside looking out the window at people walking by. I guess there is one benefit of most of the residents being partially deaf.
Well, FDA regulations prohibit bringing animals into restaurants unless they fall under the ADA. Most states have laws that follow the FDA policies, although many have exceptions for outdoor dining. So, yes, the state can tell you where you can and cannot bring your dog. Although I’d welcome your little fella sitting next to me at a bar.
I agree with those that are tired of dog owners bringing their pets everywhere they go...
...at the weekend farmers market it is the worst...
...you can't walk around and view the tables without having to navigate someone's dog...
...I will say, I enjoy my neighbor's dog and the two in my backyard...
...but time and place people, I have only noticed a few dogs in stores where I live...
...and we haven't eaten out in years, so I have no clue about restaurants and dogs in my area.
Is it a generational thing? Generation X and Y?
I have no problem with well mannered dogs. It's the dogs that just do not belong in public. If your dog is minding it's own business, it probably makes others happy that you brought your dog. Like I wrote earlier, if I can walk past you in the grocery store with no interaction. All good. In socal many people bring very friendly dogs all over the place. The dogs spend a lot of time at dog parks and are very socialized. I bring Sydney to dog parks. I's pretty common to see many dogs in the patio area of restaurants here. It's the unruly dogs that have owners that are just "it's all about me" and "deal with it" attitude that get me. OF course no charges were filed on a congress woman's family. The Kelly is Mark Kelly, husband of Gabby Giffords.
"On Saturday, March 23, 2013, Kelly’s then-18-year-old daughter, Claudia, was walking her 65-pound American bulldog mix, Shiner, on a leash at Goff Island Beach below the Montage Laguna Beach resort. The family was vacationing in Laguna Beach. The dog ripped free, charged a beached baby sea lion, and locked onto it.
Witness video captured the chaos. The teenager screamed and cried. Two other women tried to pull the dog off. Minutes passed. Then Kelly arrived, grabbed the collar, and shook the dog until it released the animal. The pup later died.
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You gotta watch those little bastards!
He said, “Who, me”?
He does get into everything and, is curious about everything
“Sam” in the Pups thread is my Service Dog.
A dogs lack of training is always the dead giveaway.
I’m pretty fluent in what the ADA says about my dog. You’re legally allowed to ask me two questions. I’ll give people a bit of a warning that they’re encroaching. Most people believe all that “vest and certification” bullshit.
So, dealing with a service dog, What are your thoughts of people bringing in dogs at a minimum are not "good citizens"?
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It’s bullshit. Gives actual Service Dogs a bad name.
Sam never wears a vest. She won’t go through a door way unless I invite her. Only gets in or out of a vehicle on command. The fakes are easy to spot.
You realize that fear of someone getting their feelings hurt by perhaps being asked a non ADA compliant question and making an issue of it is the reason places can't or choose not to enforce anything with the bullshit cases, right?
Knowing the law isn’t getting your feelings hurt.
Usually, it’s not even somebody associated with a business. It’s just some everyday Karen trying to put their nose somewhere it doesn’t belong. Evidently, my sweet girl drives people nuts in public.
My “Service Dog” is not an Emotional Support Animal. Emotional Support Animals are not Service Dogs.
Dogs, horses, and cattle like me. People not so much and I’m ok with that. 🤠
Nope, not true at all. A business is legally allowed to ask you what tasks the dog is trained for. And in many cases the tasks identify the disability. But that's not the issue. People who are in the store seem to think it's their "right" to confront you about if the dog is a "real" service dog, like they even know. But, there are also a lot of people that are sincere and genuinely interested. Many people think they know someone who would benefit from a service dog and have no idea the difference between an ESA and a SD. After a while you can tell as they walk up. They ask "what does that service dog do?" to which I reply, that's a rather personal question coming from someone I don't even know". Feeling like they are entitled to an answer, their stunned response says it all. They're kind of like that bicycle rider on the trail you're not supposed to be on with your motorcycle and they come to confront you. I had one lady follow me around the store telling me I need to leave that Sydney is just a pet. We ignored her for quite some time which pissed her off even more, Finally my wife exploded on her and she left us alone. The employees in the store apologized profusely for the lady's behavior during check out as they didn't know how to handle the situation while it was happening.
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Last year I had to write this letter to the head of life guards at Crystal Cove in Newport Beach, turns out it was the police sergeant. You can bet I got a response quite quick. My goal was not to get the life guard reprimanded but to educate their staff so I told the sergeant I could not describe the life guard. Nobody anywhere near us and the guy zooms a 1/4 mile up the beach just to be an ass hat. He was so pissed that I didn't react to his "authority" and just calmly said "OK, I'll put her on a leash" several times, you could see his hands shaking. I think what really got me was when he told me that we could not "recreate on his beach". Sydney just sat there the whole time like what's wrong with this guy? And for anyone that thinks dogs don't understand your words, google fluent pet and bunny and watch a few videos of her talking in sentences to her mom. Lately she has been asking her mom about "death"
Took the 11:30 shuttle from Marriot to Crystal Cove
First thing I did was go introduce myself and Sydney (my service dog) to a group of life guards
They asked about her training and what she does. It seems more personal interest than professional and I was happy to share. One of the guards even had some personal interaction with Sydney.
So off I went walking down the beach, well past the cottages and away from people, maybe 100 plus yards from people. I decided I wanted to enjoy the water. My choices are to leave Sydney on the beach or bring her with me. I opted to bring her with me however due to all the big rocks and kelp in the water I decided it was a safety hazard to leave her leash on. So, I opted to remove it for her safety. Again, we are quite far from people.
And yes, I know there is a law that dogs need to be on a leash.
I also see wheel chairs with big balloon wheels that a segment of disabled people can enjoy the beach so I know the park is also aware of ADA compliance, however I don’t know what the park does for people that have service dogs. Again, not bothering any other people.
So, a few minutes of being in the water and a lifeguard rolls up.
He tells me I’m in violation of the leash law. I respond “OK, I’ll put her on a leash” This appears to anger him. I believe something clicked and he now decided he needed to bully me with his words and authority as it really goes down hill from there. Now everything he says is prefaced with,
“If that’s even a real service dog” or “If you even owned a real service dog you would know…” or “if the dog is even working”
I interjected several times if he wants Sydney on a leash that’s what I’ll do. Also interjecting “she’s a real service dog” By now he’s so angry you could see his hands shaking. After half a dozen times of telling him she’s a real service dog I offered to show him her state issued “service dog tag” to which he told me he didn’t want to see. After several more times of accusing Sydney “if she’s even a real service dog” I took off her collar and showed him her service tag. This seemed to infuriate him more to the point where he asked if he needed to call the police to come down. I asked why, I offered many times to put her on her leash.
I added that if he knew anything about service dogs, that if they only ever “work” they burn out.
Now he tells me “we can’t recreate on his beach. I need to take my dog home and recreate at home”
From there I went to my backpack put on Sydney’s leash and proceeded to leave, on my way out of the beach, I did stop to tell one of the life guards I had introduced myself and Sydney to earlier that I had a bad interaction with another guard because Sydney was off leash.
I understand we need laws to make society work. However, sometimes if you’re not going to infringe on other people’s enjoyment of a park and there’s nobody close enough to be affected? Sometimes you think to yourself, OK if I get a $200 ticket, I’m ok with that for a bit of enjoyment that is affecting no one but me.
Very similar to a person driving their pregnant wife to the hospital, they see there are no cars anywhere near so they start driving through the intersection before the light turns green.
What are your ADA provisions for people who have a service dog that want to enjoy the features of the park?
If this is how the people of authority are trained to operate at a state park, I see a big payday for someone under ADA compliance
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