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Strange thing to post. 2001-2021 includes his first term, and the parallel for Bush 2001-2021 is the Iranian leader in 2026? And to use "mission accomplished" is bonkers.
I’m not a liberal, thought I made that part clear, I just like working with the facts regardless of where they go or who they make look bad. Its obvious youre not one of those people so I’m not even going to waste my time. I knew this was going to be the case and told myself I was an idiot for even trying to engage and it turned out to be the case. Oh well thats just the world we live in now. Its pretty much impossible to engage with anybody today in good faith conversation because everybody is just wedded to their side and they think everything they do is good and everything the other side does is bad. I have no side and I dont pledge loyalty to any politician, you guys forgot they work for us. Idk how it got twisted around the other way and now you serve them. Crazy.
They didn't use Trumps plan. You state that as fact, that's where the problem comes from. It isn't fact. Trump''s actual withdraw plan from Afghanistan has never been published. Ever. If you are relying on the words from the Biden administration or the news media you are not receiving the truth.
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Trump National Golf Course Tehran. That’s the wars mission. Him and his cronies will end up making Chaney look fairly honest. Oh , but it’s for national security reasons. Wonder how security is now that some of the counter intelligence experts on Iran have been let go because they were involved with the Mara lago raid.
Trump's mission was, like Venezuela, to gain control over Iran's oil, the stated mission to destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities was Israel's mission.
If his plan wasn’t ever published, you can’t know his plan, so how do you know it wasn’t used?
Who do you rely on for truth? Or do you only think it’s truth when you agree with it?
Well, it obviously wasn't President Trump's plan, nothing President Trump has done militarily has ended in such a spectacular failure. Biden and the democrats though..... nothing but disaster. There's your proof.
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Nonsense. It is obviously in America's and the world's best interest to not see a nuclear armed Iran. The worlds primary sponsor of Islamic terrorism, what a gift the Trump administration is giving to the world. You are welcome!
Well now that you say that, it surely couldn't have been Trumps plan. The negotiations that were heavily in Iran's favor in the earlier agreement share no resemblance to the shit show in Afghanistan
How do you rate the war in Iran , a massive win, or the biggest win ever?
Trump has been the only President to win the same war multiple times over and over , so I guess You have a point.
Would you say that winning a war normally results in the side that lost having MORE power and influence on the world? If oil prices are still high, and ship traffic is not flowing , and Iran still has all the nuclear material that they had when the war started. What would it look like it was not a success or if the US lost?
I'm not saying that I think the US lost, just that nobody has won.
Killing the previous supreme leader was not a good move, if the goal was to not see a nuclear armed Iran, he did issue a fatwa against nuclear weapons!
Huh
So, there’s no Islamic doctrine that allows for whatever is necessary to win against the infidels?
Oh. Ok. Sure.
Is bombing schools, hospitals, weddings and rescue workers necessary for the US and Israel to win?
I may or may not have mentioned a few pages back that Iran/IRCG is the proxy (snake body)) of City of London / British Imperial System (head of snake). Trump is cutting off the head of the snake / money supply. That is the real war. Don’t take my word for it, listen to Scott Bessent:
https://youtu.be/3Guqxu2FKNQ
Casualties of war, if it is true. Does Iran need to hide it's weapons in schools, hospitals, and at weddings? Sounds like you are in full support of the terrorist regime in Iran, I understand you can't post anything against the Muslims without fear of being arrested in your country. Not to worry for you though, you are all in with your hatred of Israel and America. Have a glorious day!
I’m half inclined to start a thread, Reasons I Hate America for all the usual people who can’t seem to make enough excuses for countries our military has gotten involved with.
The only only reason I haven’t yet, BUUUut BUUT bUt TRUMP……. 😭
When fighting a superior foe an individual or nation will use any means available. Including storage of weapons and personnel in civilian facilities.
Most assume the deaths of 100 schoolchildren was an accident. However, the implication above is that the US would deliberately kill scores of civilians. Or maybe I’m not interpreting it correctly.
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And you do of course believe what the Iranians say. How gullible can one person be.
The irony of this post is all-time.
It's only ironic to those people with zero common sense or ability to see a situation for what it clearly is. I would suggest you fall into that category. Have a nice day!
According to Trump and Pete Hegseth some B2 bombers with Bunker Buster bombs “Totally Obliterated” Iran’s nuclear capabilities on June 22nd, 2025. Were they lying back then? Are they lying now? How do you, gantry25, tell when they are lying or not? The biggest gift the Trump administration has given to the world is Total Bullshit!
And a stock market at record highs!
And Indy cars on Washington DC streets! That's just cool!
When I get conflicting info from sources that are known to twist and distort reality. Or that have something to gain from not telling the truth, I have to look at what is provable , what is most likely true if not totally provable. or even assume both are telling the truth, or both are lying.
All it takes is 10 minutes of watching network news at night or a political candidates interview to see that most are only telling the parts of the story that line up with whatever narrative they want to put out there. In this world of fact checking and info being so easily available, sometimes both sides of the story are the truth. Just not the complete story. I would hope that for the most part outright lies on the news are not as common as some seem to think. In my experience its mostly half truths and missing info OR opinion shows that people do not realize are opinions of what happened and not just what happened.
I've seen the tactics of half truths and divisive BS from the majority of people in politics , its not just one party that is guilty. So You really need to approach every statement made with some skepticism. Especially the ones You want to believe , since those are the easiest for politicians to get away with lying about.
Liking or disliking what the truth is really has no impact on what is true and false. That would be Your opinion of the truth, but Your opinion of what is the truth shouldn't matter when strong enough proof is present to support the truth. Or it really shouldn't . Think about how that would impact your beliefs of some of the horrible things that have happened. If You took the same approach to judging Your own beliefs the way You judge others.
Sounds like you’re describing critical thinking to me. Not a very good weapon of choice when you’re fighting for your side or most likely against their side
If one wants to believe that the degradation of our societies ability to employ critical thinking tactics is a huge part of the reason we are where we are, I'd say there is definitely a truth to that.
Somewhere along the lines (Reagan) people started putting politicians up on a pedestal and buying the kool aid the government was selling without reading the ingredient label. Your side this, my side that... it's all bullshit. BUT, that internal conflict amongst the citizens of this great country is how they have gotten to the point where they can piss on you and say it's raining.
I'll agree that the Indy car race and TP and crew jumping dirtbikes at the white house was cool.
Lets try something, for the sake of this experiment . Lets say that Obama had done those same things during the 08 financial crash and while US auto makers were going bankrupt and Osama was the most wanted and lets say things were not going smoothly with his ideas for fixing those issues .
What would you think about Obama? Would you blame people if they were critical of him doing stuff?
Reagan? You'll need to go back a bit further than that. Try Franklin D Roosevelt.
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