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More people would be into them if TM had a decent dealer network and US support. Most of the time to order a TM you go through some random dude located in the middle of nowhere in your state that's listed as a "dealer" on TM USA website.
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Keefer seemed to like the 300 4t
The importer, Cam (nytsmaC), used to post here but haven't seen him post lately. Cam's a good dude.
Shocked this user name would have another terrible take
Didn’t Masterpool win a LL title on a TM?
Works bikes you can buy
i prefer the Husky actually.....you dangerboyz sure do hold grudges
why did they feel the need for cooling fins on the ignition cover.
Looks like a pain to keep clean
Otherwise, they look great.
Yeah, their 112cc is probably the best around but they don't push money into the sport. They could also become a dominant player in flat track if they would develop their supermoto into a flat track version.
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I’ve noticed a few comments about the bikes being hard to find, or about the lack of money they put into growth. To understand TM and why they aren’t aggressively marketing and trying to grow, I think it’s helpful to understand what kind of company they are. My buddy is a TM dealer (and KTM and Suzuki). He had a TM rep come to one of our local races about 6 or 7 years ago and I had a chance to chat with him. I was curious about whether TM had any aspirations to expand their market share. The answer was basically no. I don’t remember exactly how many bikes he said they built per year, but it wasn’t many- I think under 2,000. These bikes are individually built in a small shop by people who want to take great care in building each bike - often customized and made to order for the individual customer. They are happy with the way they do things and aren’t particularly interested in becoming a big company that mass produces their products.
My experience owning a TM has been excellent. My local dealer has never had any problems getting anything I needed. Parts weren’t noticeably more expensive than KTM (I didn’t need very many parts over the years, other than for 2 stroke top end rebuilds).
These bikes aren’t for everyone. They are more expensive to purchase and if you go to sell one, most people don’t know what you’re selling so the market is small. I haven’t had any problems selling one, but that’s because of relationship I have with the dealer. My dealer bought my 06 125 from me and took my 144 on trade because he had a buyer for it. So if you like to get a great deal on a leftover bike and sell it after a season or two without losing much money, then a TM isn’t for you. But if you want something unique and don’t mind paying more to be able to order a bike that’s customizable and built for you, then you might appreciate a TM. You might not be able to find one sitting in a showroom, that you can just buy and take home (though a dealer might bring in one or two). You will probably need to order it and wait for it to be built and shipped. They are never going to be mass produced, with an extensive dealer network and if they are, they will be something very different from what they are now.
I was thinkin the same. Or easy to break also. Beautiful bikes.
They look great and I like the idea. I even nearly bought a carbed 300 recently. But - in every test/comparo I read: They don’t have the most power/best suspension/best handling or lowest weight. A test of the 125 MX said the power band was “difficult” and for pros only, but not as powerful as the Austrian bikes.
Maybe like true works bikes - actually worse for the masses - unless you can get it perfectly set up.
Most tests end up praising the uniqueness.
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The magazines are worthless regarding these.
Our own vital did an enduro 450 test and included the tm.
The tm was like 30 lbs lighter than some others with way more power than anything else in the test and got dead last.
they come with kyb forks and amazing shocks. Everything is top notch.
TM isn't spending money on advertising because they create a small batch of bikes and sell out every year. But that means also that magazines and websites don't have to be nice to them, and if your are reviewing 5 brands and 4 brands push advertising budgets and 1 doesn't then it is easy to choose who has to come in last.
MXA seem pretty analytical and unbiased. Not afraid to call a spade a spade. Praised the TM… For it’s uniqueness.
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Does anyone have any experience/ feedback on the current 250 4 stroke mx.
Kid has a 144mx that is unbelievable, and curious about 250 4 stokes.
My kid has raced pro Endurocross for several seasons on a TM, never once broke a fin and dirt just hoses out like any other part of a bike.
It so refreshing to read something like this. This is damn near like reading a foreign language, this would NEVER happen with a company in the US. Its always about growth growth growth, money money money nobody is ever ok with just keeping a business small on purpose and just doing something for the love. Idk if thats an Italian or European thing, but Italy especially seems to be cool with making small amounts of high quality motor vehicles for the enthusiasts. Wish there was more companies like TM. In the US TM would be scooped up by private equity and stripped to the bone and left for dead after every penny is wrung out of it and quality goes to absolute hell, but a couple CEO’s would get huge bonuses so its all good… A company not trying to grow or expand or create maximum quarterly shareholder value would be laughed off the face of the earth here.
There are tons of business is the US that have that same model. Maybe not motorcycle manufacturers, but FMF and PC come to mind in the moto industry. On the cycling side there are a number of small batch companies that have been around for 20++ years.
I ended up buying a YZ125. The 125/144 tests at the time did not exactly praise the current TM small bore engine. Then with it being so difficult to find one I just went with the ol' reliable YZ (still have it). I have not ridden in over a year, but if I ever decide to unretire I will look into them again.
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