Last night's Presidential address

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Over the air broadcasters use the airwaves by license from the FCC. Government controls the airwaves, not what the media says. Over-the-air broadcasters are legally required to...

Over the air broadcasters use the airwaves by license from the FCC. Government controls the airwaves, not what the media says. 

Over-the-air broadcasters are legally required to operate in the "public interest, convenience, and necessity" in exchange for their free licenses to use the public airwaves. I'd hazard a guess that a presidential address would qualify as "public interest"

JAFO92 wrote:
Exactly.  And herein lies the rub.   When the DNC basically owns all three major public broadcast stations,  and they get to decide what is "public...

Exactly.  And herein lies the rub.   When the DNC basically owns all three major public broadcast stations,  and they get to decide what is "public interest",   how is the "public" ever going to get data by which they can make decisions?    I honestly cannot understand why so many, seemingly intelligent,  people dont see the point I am obviously failing to make.   Whether a POTUS is lying or not,  people should have access to hear an official address on the public stations.   And if that cannot ever happen,  there needs to be one frequency that broadcasts this type of stuff that is not censored and citizens can see 100% of what was said by the POTUS.   Regardless what side of the aisle he/she is on.

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Reinventing PBS and NPR from first principles is a pretty great conclusion to this thread, but I still don't understand why you aren't mad at all...

Reinventing PBS and NPR from first principles is a pretty great conclusion to this thread, but I still don't understand why you aren't mad at all the FCC licensed radio stations that didn't broadcast the presidential address live.

At the same time complaining about communism is crazy work

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R66 wrote:

Y’all are focused on this while communists are infiltrating the democrat party. 

This is true…🤦‍♂️💯

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This should get interesting. The software company said they are only responsible for securly transmitting the voter application information to the NJ election commission. And the election commission is responsible for vetting the applicants for citizenship. Uh Oh!

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R66 wrote:

Y’all are focused on this while communists are infiltrating the democrat party. 

This is true…🤦‍♂️💯

What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the Democratic Party? 

Roy Cohn 

Roy Cohn was chief counsel to Senator Joseph McCarthy during the Red Scare. 

Years later, in the 1970s and 1980s, Cohn became a lawyer and mentor to Donald Trump. Trump has said Cohn taught him strategies such as:

  • Never admit wrongdoing.
  • Always fight back aggressively.
  • Counterattack critics rather than apologizing.


Roy Cohn was also the first Trump lawyer to lose his Bar license, he also was a closeted gay man that died of AIDS which Trump wouldn’t attend the funeral. 

So this thing about communist are infiltrated the DNC is just the same old play book. But some people will easily believe the BS. 🤦

 


 

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R66 wrote:

Y’all are focused on this while communists are infiltrating the democrat party. 

Ya'll focused on this when the politicians are busy merging our military with Israel's. I'm sure they won't go start some more fuckery with Turkey or anyone else and then we will have to fight and pay for that one too.

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R66 wrote:

Y’all are focused on this while communists are infiltrating the democrat party. 

This is true…🤦‍♂️💯

matt.3150 wrote:
What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the...

What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the Democratic Party? 

Roy Cohn 

Roy Cohn was chief counsel to Senator Joseph McCarthy during the Red Scare. 

Years later, in the 1970s and 1980s, Cohn became a lawyer and mentor to Donald Trump. Trump has said Cohn taught him strategies such as:

  • Never admit wrongdoing.
  • Always fight back aggressively.
  • Counterattack critics rather than apologizing.


Roy Cohn was also the first Trump lawyer to lose his Bar license, he also was a closeted gay man that died of AIDS which Trump wouldn’t attend the funeral. 

So this thing about communist are infiltrated the DNC is just the same old play book. But some people will easily believe the BS. 🤦

 


 

Do you ever listen to what the news makers in the democrat party are saying?

Mandami, Sanders, AOC, Talarico, et al.

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This is true…🤦‍♂️💯

matt.3150 wrote:
What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the...

What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the Democratic Party? 

Roy Cohn 

Roy Cohn was chief counsel to Senator Joseph McCarthy during the Red Scare. 

Years later, in the 1970s and 1980s, Cohn became a lawyer and mentor to Donald Trump. Trump has said Cohn taught him strategies such as:

  • Never admit wrongdoing.
  • Always fight back aggressively.
  • Counterattack critics rather than apologizing.


Roy Cohn was also the first Trump lawyer to lose his Bar license, he also was a closeted gay man that died of AIDS which Trump wouldn’t attend the funeral. 

So this thing about communist are infiltrated the DNC is just the same old play book. But some people will easily believe the BS. 🤦

 


 

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Do you ever listen to what the news makers in the democrat party are saying?

Mandami, Sanders, AOC, Talarico, et al.

Non of them think communism is a good thing!  Communism isn’t socialism. Secondly socialism isn’t not having private business or freedom. You need to get a clue what they are before saying how bad it is.  We have done socialism now in this country hate to tell you that!   You’re so easily influenced it’s just sad. 

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matt.3150 wrote:
What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the...

What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the Democratic Party? 

Roy Cohn 

Roy Cohn was chief counsel to Senator Joseph McCarthy during the Red Scare. 

Years later, in the 1970s and 1980s, Cohn became a lawyer and mentor to Donald Trump. Trump has said Cohn taught him strategies such as:

  • Never admit wrongdoing.
  • Always fight back aggressively.
  • Counterattack critics rather than apologizing.


Roy Cohn was also the first Trump lawyer to lose his Bar license, he also was a closeted gay man that died of AIDS which Trump wouldn’t attend the funeral. 

So this thing about communist are infiltrated the DNC is just the same old play book. But some people will easily believe the BS. 🤦

 


 

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Do you ever listen to what the news makers in the democrat party are saying?

Mandami, Sanders, AOC, Talarico, et al.

matt.3150 wrote:
Non of them think communism is a good thing!  Communism isn’t socialism. Secondly socialism isn’t not having private business or freedom. You need to get a...

Non of them think communism is a good thing!  Communism isn’t socialism. Secondly socialism isn’t not having private business or freedom. You need to get a clue what they are before saying how bad it is.  We have done socialism now in this country hate to tell you that!   You’re so easily influenced it’s just sad. 

And yet Walt Disney and Jack Warner (among others) thought it was important enough to testify. Hmmm. But you know better, right?

TM

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This is true…🤦‍♂️💯

matt.3150 wrote:
What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the...

What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the Democratic Party? 

Roy Cohn 

Roy Cohn was chief counsel to Senator Joseph McCarthy during the Red Scare. 

Years later, in the 1970s and 1980s, Cohn became a lawyer and mentor to Donald Trump. Trump has said Cohn taught him strategies such as:

  • Never admit wrongdoing.
  • Always fight back aggressively.
  • Counterattack critics rather than apologizing.


Roy Cohn was also the first Trump lawyer to lose his Bar license, he also was a closeted gay man that died of AIDS which Trump wouldn’t attend the funeral. 

So this thing about communist are infiltrated the DNC is just the same old play book. But some people will easily believe the BS. 🤦

 


 

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Do you ever listen to what the news makers in the democrat party are saying?

Mandami, Sanders, AOC, Talarico, et al.

I could not agree more. It’s not Trump saying there are communists infiltrating the democrat party, it is the democrat candidates themselves. There are admitted communists running in democrat primaries. And they are winning too. 

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Over the air broadcasters use the airwaves by license from the FCC. Government controls the airwaves, not what the media says. Over-the-air broadcasters are legally required to...

Over the air broadcasters use the airwaves by license from the FCC. Government controls the airwaves, not what the media says. 

Over-the-air broadcasters are legally required to operate in the "public interest, convenience, and necessity" in exchange for their free licenses to use the public airwaves. I'd hazard a guess that a presidential address would qualify as "public interest"

JAFO92 wrote:
Exactly.  And herein lies the rub.   When the DNC basically owns all three major public broadcast stations,  and they get to decide what is "public...

Exactly.  And herein lies the rub.   When the DNC basically owns all three major public broadcast stations,  and they get to decide what is "public interest",   how is the "public" ever going to get data by which they can make decisions?    I honestly cannot understand why so many, seemingly intelligent,  people dont see the point I am obviously failing to make.   Whether a POTUS is lying or not,  people should have access to hear an official address on the public stations.   And if that cannot ever happen,  there needs to be one frequency that broadcasts this type of stuff that is not censored and citizens can see 100% of what was said by the POTUS.   Regardless what side of the aisle he/she is on.

matt.3150 wrote:
The DNC doesn’t own any of those channels.  But what you’re describing is when it is right wing propaganda then you want government control against a...

The DNC doesn’t own any of those channels.  But what you’re describing is when it is right wing propaganda then you want government control against a free market. The right wants only certain people to have rights and others to be controlled. 

Does it matter who owns it. The democrats/liberals control nearly all of the media in this country.

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Does it matter who owns it. The democrats/liberals control nearly all of the media in this country.

Says who?

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R66 wrote:

Y’all are focused on this while communists are infiltrating the democrat party. 

This is true…🤦‍♂️💯

matt.3150 wrote:
What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the...

What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the Democratic Party? 

Roy Cohn 

Roy Cohn was chief counsel to Senator Joseph McCarthy during the Red Scare. 

Years later, in the 1970s and 1980s, Cohn became a lawyer and mentor to Donald Trump. Trump has said Cohn taught him strategies such as:

  • Never admit wrongdoing.
  • Always fight back aggressively.
  • Counterattack critics rather than apologizing.


Roy Cohn was also the first Trump lawyer to lose his Bar license, he also was a closeted gay man that died of AIDS which Trump wouldn’t attend the funeral. 

So this thing about communist are infiltrated the DNC is just the same old play book. But some people will easily believe the BS. 🤦

 


 

The Democrats are claiming to be a Big Tent Party Now Mattastic! Why…..because they’re willing to let the communist/ socialists in under their banner risking the well being of the Nation , because they want to be in control . Same reason why they opened the boarder and flooded the country full of illegals and criminals, those are their votes to try to stay in power. You can point to the past all you want . What I’m telling you is whats actually happening right now, right under your snout.

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The Democrats are claiming to be a Big Tent Party Now Mattastic! Why…..because they’re willing to let the communist/ socialists in under their banner risking the...

The Democrats are claiming to be a Big Tent Party Now Mattastic! Why…..because they’re willing to let the communist/ socialists in under their banner risking the well being of the Nation , because they want to be in control . Same reason why they opened the boarder and flooded the country full of illegals and criminals, those are their votes to try to stay in power. You can point to the past all you want . What I’m telling you is whats actually happening right now, right under your snout.

Yep, so all the democrats who post here on Vital are in the same party with communists. 

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The Democrats are claiming to be a Big Tent Party Now Mattastic! Why…..because they’re willing to let the communist/ socialists in under their banner risking the...

The Democrats are claiming to be a Big Tent Party Now Mattastic! Why…..because they’re willing to let the communist/ socialists in under their banner risking the well being of the Nation , because they want to be in control . Same reason why they opened the boarder and flooded the country full of illegals and criminals, those are their votes to try to stay in power. You can point to the past all you want . What I’m telling you is whats actually happening right now, right under your snout.

R66 wrote:

Yep, so all the democrats who post here on Vital are in the same party with communists. 

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SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Do you ever listen to what the news makers in the democrat party are saying?

Mandami, Sanders, AOC, Talarico, et al.

matt.3150 wrote:
Non of them think communism is a good thing!  Communism isn’t socialism. Secondly socialism isn’t not having private business or freedom. You need to get a...

Non of them think communism is a good thing!  Communism isn’t socialism. Secondly socialism isn’t not having private business or freedom. You need to get a clue what they are before saying how bad it is.  We have done socialism now in this country hate to tell you that!   You’re so easily influenced it’s just sad. 

ToolMaker wrote:

And yet Walt Disney and Jack Warner (among others) thought it was important enough to testify. Hmmm. But you know better, right?

TM

🤦😆


People testified” isn’t the same thing as “everything they believed was correct.” Lots of sincere people have testified before Congress throughout history and still been wrong. The question isn’t whether Disney and Warner believed there were communists—it’s whether the Red Scare and McCarthy’s methods were justified. History says they weren’t.


 

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This is true…🤦‍♂️💯

matt.3150 wrote:
What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the...

What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the Democratic Party? 

Roy Cohn 

Roy Cohn was chief counsel to Senator Joseph McCarthy during the Red Scare. 

Years later, in the 1970s and 1980s, Cohn became a lawyer and mentor to Donald Trump. Trump has said Cohn taught him strategies such as:

  • Never admit wrongdoing.
  • Always fight back aggressively.
  • Counterattack critics rather than apologizing.


Roy Cohn was also the first Trump lawyer to lose his Bar license, he also was a closeted gay man that died of AIDS which Trump wouldn’t attend the funeral. 

So this thing about communist are infiltrated the DNC is just the same old play book. But some people will easily believe the BS. 🤦

 


 

The Democrats are claiming to be a Big Tent Party Now Mattastic! Why…..because they’re willing to let the communist/ socialists in under their banner risking the...

The Democrats are claiming to be a Big Tent Party Now Mattastic! Why…..because they’re willing to let the communist/ socialists in under their banner risking the well being of the Nation , because they want to be in control . Same reason why they opened the boarder and flooded the country full of illegals and criminals, those are their votes to try to stay in power. You can point to the past all you want . What I’m telling you is whats actually happening right now, right under your snout.

You guys need to quit watching Fox New and News max It’s rotting your brains.   Or what I call MAGA crack !

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The Democrats are claiming to be a Big Tent Party Now Mattastic! Why…..because they’re willing to let the communist/ socialists in under their banner risking the...

The Democrats are claiming to be a Big Tent Party Now Mattastic! Why…..because they’re willing to let the communist/ socialists in under their banner risking the well being of the Nation , because they want to be in control . Same reason why they opened the boarder and flooded the country full of illegals and criminals, those are their votes to try to stay in power. You can point to the past all you want . What I’m telling you is whats actually happening right now, right under your snout.

R66 wrote:

Yep, so all the democrats who post here on Vital are in the same party with communists. 

What is a communist?    And what is a socialist ?   What are  Your definitions  of each ?   

 

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What is a communist?    And what is a socialist ?   What are  Your definitions  of each ?   

 

Why do you ask?

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matt.3150 wrote:
Non of them think communism is a good thing!  Communism isn’t socialism. Secondly socialism isn’t not having private business or freedom. You need to get a...

Non of them think communism is a good thing!  Communism isn’t socialism. Secondly socialism isn’t not having private business or freedom. You need to get a clue what they are before saying how bad it is.  We have done socialism now in this country hate to tell you that!   You’re so easily influenced it’s just sad. 

ToolMaker wrote:

And yet Walt Disney and Jack Warner (among others) thought it was important enough to testify. Hmmm. But you know better, right?

TM

matt.3150 wrote:
🤦😆People testified” isn’t the same thing as “everything they believed was correct.” Lots of sincere people have testified before Congress throughout history and still been wrong...

🤦😆


People testified” isn’t the same thing as “everything they believed was correct.” Lots of sincere people have testified before Congress throughout history and still been wrong. The question isn’t whether Disney and Warner believed there were communists—it’s whether the Red Scare and McCarthy’s methods were justified. History says they weren’t.


 

The history books are largely written by academics, and how do academics lean? (I'll bet some people here can guess) So their views will come through in their writings. How often are we taught about the close relationship between Hitler and Hollywood? So because it's not taught, it didn't happen?

TM

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What is a communist?    And what is a socialist ?   What are  Your definitions  of each ?   

 

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ToolMaker wrote:

And yet Walt Disney and Jack Warner (among others) thought it was important enough to testify. Hmmm. But you know better, right?

TM

Walt famously hated organized labor, built a studio that included plans for dormitories for the animators to live in, and dreamed of building a city with no private property where everything would be owned by the corporation. But he did accomplish some great stuff so I guess you could say it's complicated.

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What is a communist?    And what is a socialist ?   What are  Your definitions  of each ?   

 

R66 wrote:

Why do you ask?

Just wondering . 

It's one of those political buzzwords now ,that people have started to use to describe things  in ways that are sometimes outside of the words written definition .    I want to understand what You mean  when You use the word.  No gotcha question here.   

 And what You dislike about those concepts.   

 Don't take this question as my endorsement of either. I'm not looking to argue  about Your statement .

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ToolMaker wrote:

And yet Walt Disney and Jack Warner (among others) thought it was important enough to testify. Hmmm. But you know better, right?

TM

matt.3150 wrote:
🤦😆People testified” isn’t the same thing as “everything they believed was correct.” Lots of sincere people have testified before Congress throughout history and still been wrong...

🤦😆


People testified” isn’t the same thing as “everything they believed was correct.” Lots of sincere people have testified before Congress throughout history and still been wrong. The question isn’t whether Disney and Warner believed there were communists—it’s whether the Red Scare and McCarthy’s methods were justified. History says they weren’t.


 

ToolMaker wrote:
The history books are largely written by academics, and how do academics lean? (I'll bet some people here can guess) So their views will come through...

The history books are largely written by academics, and how do academics lean? (I'll bet some people here can guess) So their views will come through in their writings. How often are we taught about the close relationship between Hitler and Hollywood? So because it's not taught, it didn't happen?

TM

I don’t know what you were taught , I never heard of Hollywood and Hitler relationship.  The idea that you believe people that have an education is a problem is complete non sense.  Also history is written by the documentation kept. There plenty of written, televised documentation that shows all of it, it wasn’t that long ago.    
 

So you’re making an argument the McCarthy Red Scare didn’t happen because some academics wrote the history screwed to how they want people to interpret it.   
 

You are completely off your rocker! 



 

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matt.3150 wrote:
🤦😆People testified” isn’t the same thing as “everything they believed was correct.” Lots of sincere people have testified before Congress throughout history and still been wrong...

🤦😆


People testified” isn’t the same thing as “everything they believed was correct.” Lots of sincere people have testified before Congress throughout history and still been wrong. The question isn’t whether Disney and Warner believed there were communists—it’s whether the Red Scare and McCarthy’s methods were justified. History says they weren’t.


 

ToolMaker wrote:
The history books are largely written by academics, and how do academics lean? (I'll bet some people here can guess) So their views will come through...

The history books are largely written by academics, and how do academics lean? (I'll bet some people here can guess) So their views will come through in their writings. How often are we taught about the close relationship between Hitler and Hollywood? So because it's not taught, it didn't happen?

TM

matt.3150 wrote:
I don’t know what you were taught , I never heard of Hollywood and Hitler relationship.  The idea that you believe people that have an education...

I don’t know what you were taught , I never heard of Hollywood and Hitler relationship.  The idea that you believe people that have an education is a problem is complete non sense.  Also history is written by the documentation kept. There plenty of written, televised documentation that shows all of it, it wasn’t that long ago.    
 

So you’re making an argument the McCarthy Red Scare didn’t happen because some academics wrote the history screwed to how they want people to interpret it.   
 

You are completely off your rocker! 



 

"You are completely off your rocker! "

Coming from you, I'll take the compliment!

TM, off his rocker

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ToolMaker wrote:

And yet Walt Disney and Jack Warner (among others) thought it was important enough to testify. Hmmm. But you know better, right?

TM

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Walt famously hated organized labor, built a studio that included plans for dormitories for the animators to live in, and dreamed of building a city with...

Walt famously hated organized labor, built a studio that included plans for dormitories for the animators to live in, and dreamed of building a city with no private property where everything would be owned by the corporation. But he did accomplish some great stuff so I guess you could say it's complicated.

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You ever use Tabasco hot sauce? Well, they did the same thing, they bought Avery Island, provided inexpensiv  housing for their employees, built grocery stores for cheap food, opened medical offices for medical care, and even started a school on the island for a quality education. Terrible what companies do isn't it?

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matt.3150 wrote:
What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the...

What does the red scare during the 1950’s with Senator McCarthy( which was total BS) and what Trump is now saying with the Communist infiltrating the Democratic Party? 

Roy Cohn 

Roy Cohn was chief counsel to Senator Joseph McCarthy during the Red Scare. 

Years later, in the 1970s and 1980s, Cohn became a lawyer and mentor to Donald Trump. Trump has said Cohn taught him strategies such as:

  • Never admit wrongdoing.
  • Always fight back aggressively.
  • Counterattack critics rather than apologizing.


Roy Cohn was also the first Trump lawyer to lose his Bar license, he also was a closeted gay man that died of AIDS which Trump wouldn’t attend the funeral. 

So this thing about communist are infiltrated the DNC is just the same old play book. But some people will easily believe the BS. 🤦

 


 

The Democrats are claiming to be a Big Tent Party Now Mattastic! Why…..because they’re willing to let the communist/ socialists in under their banner risking the...

The Democrats are claiming to be a Big Tent Party Now Mattastic! Why…..because they’re willing to let the communist/ socialists in under their banner risking the well being of the Nation , because they want to be in control . Same reason why they opened the boarder and flooded the country full of illegals and criminals, those are their votes to try to stay in power. You can point to the past all you want . What I’m telling you is whats actually happening right now, right under your snout.

matt.3150 wrote:

You guys need to quit watching Fox New and News max It’s rotting your brains.   Or what I call MAGA crack !

So the Dems are not calling it a “Big Tent Party”? The Biden administration didn’t open the boarder and flooded the country with illegals and criminals? Matt , I like you,  but you’re in serious Denial.

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Ya'll focused on this when the politicians are busy merging our military with Israel's. I'm sure they won't go start some more fuckery with Turkey or...

Ya'll focused on this when the politicians are busy merging our military with Israel's. I'm sure they won't go start some more fuckery with Turkey or anyone else and then we will have to fight and pay for that one too.

I found some great information on the subject, that you should peruse. 

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7/22/2026 5:39pm
ToolMaker wrote:

And yet Walt Disney and Jack Warner (among others) thought it was important enough to testify. Hmmm. But you know better, right?

TM

early wrote:
Walt famously hated organized labor, built a studio that included plans for dormitories for the animators to live in, and dreamed of building a city with...

Walt famously hated organized labor, built a studio that included plans for dormitories for the animators to live in, and dreamed of building a city with no private property where everything would be owned by the corporation. But he did accomplish some great stuff so I guess you could say it's complicated.

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ToolMaker wrote:
You ever use Tabasco hot sauce? Well, they did the same thing, they bought Avery Island, provided inexpensiv  housing for their employees, built grocery stores for...

You ever use Tabasco hot sauce? Well, they did the same thing, they bought Avery Island, provided inexpensiv  housing for their employees, built grocery stores for cheap food, opened medical offices for medical care, and even started a school on the island for a quality education. Terrible what companies do isn't it?

Tabasco is my go to hot sauce for chicken and eggs, I love vinegar based sauces.

For every Avery island there's a Fordlandia.

If you ever make it to the Hatfield-McCoy trails there's still some interesting company stores standing in southern West Virginia. A lot of that was a consequence of Fords desire for vertical integration as well. Beautiful area though, would be a trip to live there 100 and some years ago.

I always thought Walt Disney World was a deeply underated experiment in libertarian style self governance, at least until the dissolution of the Reedy Creek Improvement District, lots of lessons there for the interested.

Didn't take you for the you'll own nothing and be happy crowd.

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7/22/2026 6:53pm
matt.3150 wrote:

So on another note, Trump is allowing Saudi Arabia to start enriching uranium and from what I read without international oversite. 

So it's OK for Saudi Arabia to enrich uranium, but not Iran?

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7/22/2026 7:07pm Edited Date/Time 7/23/2026 8:58am
matt.3150 wrote:

So on another note, Trump is allowing Saudi Arabia to start enriching uranium and from what I read without international oversite. 

So it's OK for Saudi Arabia to enrich uranium, but not Iran?

To me, both are equally insane. The House of Saud are not really our friends. 

9/11/2001 16 of 19 terrorists were Saudi Nationals. The funding was tracked back to Saudi Arabia. Don’t forget, Osama bin Laden was a Saudi. 

The Saudis treated us like shit when we were there. We’d go in to Restaurant in full uniform. They wouldn’t acknowledge our presence, never mind serve us. 

 

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