OFFICIAL Deegan excuse thread

yak651 wrote:

Orrr just ignore the threads about him?? But you can’t because you’re a Deegan fan so until he starts winning you want ML to clip the...

Orrr just ignore the threads about him?? But you can’t because you’re a Deegan fan so until he starts winning you want ML to clip the threads about him 🤦‍♂️

Jkawi wrote:

So you click on these threads so you can take part in the whining and bullshit?The first part of your post is correct, but see my...

So you click on these threads so you can take part in the whining and bullshit?

The first part of your post is correct, but see my post above. The second part of your post is VERY far off base.

Let's see how many assumptions come flying out of your ass based on that... ffs.

yak651 wrote:

So you didn’t request ML clip the Deegan thread(s)? 

yak651 wrote:

Orrr just ignore the threads about him?? But you can’t because you’re a Deegan fan so until he starts winning you want ML to clip the...

Orrr just ignore the threads about him?? But you can’t because you’re a Deegan fan so until he starts winning you want ML to clip the threads about him 🤦‍♂️

Jkawi wrote:

So you click on these threads so you can take part in the whining and bullshit?The first part of your post is correct, but see my...

So you click on these threads so you can take part in the whining and bullshit?

The first part of your post is correct, but see my post above. The second part of your post is VERY far off base.

Let's see how many assumptions come flying out of your ass based on that... ffs.

yak651 wrote:

So you didn’t request ML clip the Deegan thread(s)? 

Franklin Bluth wrote:

Poking my head in here to see what's going on....This thread is fascinating... you have the clear Deegan haters who spout utter nonsense. Then you have...

Poking my head in here to see what's going on....

This thread is fascinating... you have the clear Deegan haters who spout utter nonsense. Then you have those that pretend to be objective but are closet Deegan haters (these guys are the worst). Then you have the Deegan can do no wrong fanboys (these guys are even worse than the closet haters but not by much). Then there is a small contingent of people like me that just enjoy the racing and don't care. Deegan is easily the most polarizing rider right now and it's not even close. What is the old saying "There is no such thing as bad publicity"? 

Some of you get offended for Deegan just trash talking. I remember that everyone was upset how the riders were all nice to each other especially during the Ryans era. 

Glad y'all didn't grow up in my era because you would've HATED Hannah. Other greats such as Rick Johnson and Jeff Ward did the same thing. 

BOB HANNAH: "Hannah famously looked at the starting gate of professional riders and dismissed his competition as 'big fat tubs of goo,' mocking their physical fitness compared to his relentless training regimen." 

"Describing his mental state on race weekends, Hannah later admitted, 'Every day I wanted to kill everybody and thought about killing them on the weekends.' He viewed racing as pure war and refused to be friendly in the pits with fierce rivals like Kent Howerton or Roger DeCoster."

"When summarizing his attitude toward his peers, Hannah operated on pure intimidation. He openly embraced the idea that he loved to be feared on the track and was entirely selfish when it came to winning." 

RICK JOHNSON: "After a tight championship battle, RJ famously stated on camera, 'If Jeff Ward has a problem, then it's in the cards for me to win... but you know, I don't feel he beat me.' He frequently made it clear that if Ward won, it was due to luck, not skill."

JEFF WARD: "Ward and Johnson hated each other so much they would barely look at one another in the pits. Ward openly admitted that he raced Johnson with the intent to run him wide, block him, and break his spirit. When asked about Johnson’s flashy, charismatic media persona, Ward routinely dismissed it to journalists as 'fake', 'arrogant nonsense', completely refusing to play the 'we are all friends' game that modern riders often fall into"  

Sully wrote:

"Glad y'all didn't grow up in my era because you would've HATED Hannah. Other greats such as Rick Johnson and Jeff Ward did the same thing...

"Glad y'all didn't grow up in my era because you would've HATED Hannah. Other greats such as Rick Johnson and Jeff Ward did the same thing. "

This "back in my day" argument doesn't hold water. I grew up in that era, too, and Hannah, RJ and Wardy talked shit because they genuinely didn't like the guys they talked shit about. Deegan talks shit to generate likes on social media, he doesn't believe a word of what he says. Big difference.

Franklin Bluth wrote:

That's a completely different argument.The criticism around Deegan is usually that he talks trash, creates drama, and isn't respectful enough. My point was that motocross has...

That's a completely different argument.

The criticism around Deegan is usually that he talks trash, creates drama, and isn't respectful enough. My point was that motocross has always had stars who did exactly that.

Now you're saying Hannah, Johnson, and Ward were allowed to do it because they really meant it, while Deegan is doing it for attention. Unless you're a mind reader, you have no idea whether that's true.

And even if it is true, so what?

If Deegan is saying things that get fans, media, riders, and entire message boards talking about him nonstop, then he's doing exactly what stars in the sport have always done.

What's funny is how thin-skinned fans have become. We constantly hear people on Vital and other places complain that racers today have no personality, everybody gives the same canned interviews, and nobody says anything interesting. Then the moment someone talks a little trash, half the motocross world acts like Deegan committed a felony.

Sully wrote:

"Glad y'all didn't grow up in my era because you would've HATED Hannah. Other greats such as Rick Johnson and Jeff Ward did the same thing...

"Glad y'all didn't grow up in my era because you would've HATED Hannah. Other greats such as Rick Johnson and Jeff Ward did the same thing. "

This "back in my day" argument doesn't hold water. I grew up in that era, too, and Hannah, RJ and Wardy talked shit because they genuinely didn't like the guys they talked shit about. Deegan talks shit to generate likes on social media, he doesn't believe a word of what he says. Big difference.

Franklin Bluth wrote:

That's a completely different argument.The criticism around Deegan is usually that he talks trash, creates drama, and isn't respectful enough. My point was that motocross has...

That's a completely different argument.

The criticism around Deegan is usually that he talks trash, creates drama, and isn't respectful enough. My point was that motocross has always had stars who did exactly that.

Now you're saying Hannah, Johnson, and Ward were allowed to do it because they really meant it, while Deegan is doing it for attention. Unless you're a mind reader, you have no idea whether that's true.

And even if it is true, so what?

If Deegan is saying things that get fans, media, riders, and entire message boards talking about him nonstop, then he's doing exactly what stars in the sport have always done.

What's funny is how thin-skinned fans have become. We constantly hear people on Vital and other places complain that racers today have no personality, everybody gives the same canned interviews, and nobody says anything interesting. Then the moment someone talks a little trash, half the motocross world acts like Deegan committed a felony.

jemcee wrote:

Thing is Deegan encourages the divide between the riders with that trash talk and when he's winning it's all 'you either like him or hate him...

Thing is Deegan encourages the divide between the riders with that trash talk and when he's winning it's all 'you either like him or hate him he's getting haters but he likes the haters they fuel him' but when he's losing it's 'Why do people hate him so much? he's just a kid' 

As Sully says it's so disingenuous it feels like WWE or that woeful misfits boxing.. Those other guys weren't CREATING drama! 

I used to enjoy JLaw cause he talked shit (with an element of humour) whether he was winning or losing.. I don't hate him in fact when you get the glimpses of what I assume is the real him I find I like him.. 

I just think the fact he's playing a character is lame

Tyler D wrote:

The "really meant it" bit is false equivocation with authenticity. Friese and Jason lawrence are authentic. They're actual villains. They don't make excuses for what they...

The "really meant it" bit is false equivocation with authenticity. Friese and Jason lawrence are authentic. They're actual villains. They don't make excuses for what they do. They don't have to make up stories about their shortcomings to nurture their egos. 

Saying there's deegan and everyone else is a false dichotomy. You can have personality and not be a fake sociopath.  Putting deegan on the level of Hannah or RJ is an insult to their manhood. When Hannah compliments decoster, you know he means it. When RC or deegan compliment someone, there's always some hidden condescension or patronizing tone, because they're so afraid of feeling less than (like a woman)

Calling people thin skinned because they call out poor character when they see it is rather disingenuous. There's a difference between being easily personally offended and disgust. Deegan falls into that uncanny valley of human behavior for a lot of folks and this triggers a response of disgust. 

 

Just really disingenuous equivocation and semantic looseness all around on your part. 

super_fan_38 wrote:

Your responses are by no means normal, and are disproportionate to anything Deegan has done.Bob Hannah took out an obituary on Keith Bowen and threatened to...

Your responses are by no means normal, and are disproportionate to anything Deegan has done.

Bob Hannah took out an obituary on Keith Bowen and threatened to break Kent Howerton's leg and people think he's a legend.

Deegan wears a RIP Jett shirt and cuts off his fast lap, and the haters act like he committed a crime against humanity.  It really is laughable. 



 

Pop Shmoke wrote:

If deegan hadnt gotten 3rd then he totally would have won! 

Jkawi wrote:

So you click on these threads so you can take part in the whining and bullshit?The first part of your post is correct, but see my...

So you click on these threads so you can take part in the whining and bullshit?

The first part of your post is correct, but see my post above. The second part of your post is VERY far off base.

Let's see how many assumptions come flying out of your ass based on that... ffs.

yak651 wrote:

So you didn’t request ML clip the Deegan thread(s)? 

Jkawi wrote:

No. I didnt you dumbass. Read it again. I suggested he make a safe space for you retards.

yak651 wrote:

So you didn’t request ML clip the Deegan thread(s)? 

Jkawi wrote:

No. I didnt you dumbass. Read it again. I suggested he make a safe space for you retards.

yak651 wrote:

It’ll be ok…

DerickYZ wrote:

I love how Deegan has turned the comments off to his instagram posts and Brian blocks people that go against them. But I thought they loved...

I love how Deegan has turned the comments off to his instagram posts and Brian blocks people that go against them. But I thought they loved the haters? Soft

DerickYZ wrote:

I love how Deegan has turned the comments off to his instagram posts and Brian blocks people that go against them. But I thought they loved...

I love how Deegan has turned the comments off to his instagram posts and Brian blocks people that go against them. But I thought they loved the haters? Soft

DerickYZ wrote:

I love how Deegan has turned the comments off to his instagram posts and Brian blocks people that go against them. But I thought they loved...

I love how Deegan has turned the comments off to his instagram posts and Brian blocks people that go against them. But I thought they loved the haters? Soft

super_fan_38 wrote:

DerickYZ wrote:

I love how Deegan has turned the comments off to his instagram posts and Brian blocks people that go against them. But I thought they loved...

I love how Deegan has turned the comments off to his instagram posts and Brian blocks people that go against them. But I thought they loved the haters? Soft

super_fan_38 wrote:

DerickYZ wrote:

I love how Deegan has turned the comments off to his instagram posts and Brian blocks people that go against them. But I thought they loved...

I love how Deegan has turned the comments off to his instagram posts and Brian blocks people that go against them. But I thought they loved the haters? Soft

super_fan_38 wrote:

Village Idiot wrote:

Spoken like a good Christian. 👍Wonder if he got that from his preacher's last sermon? 🤔Guess I'll have to wait for SX and when everyone is...

Spoken like a good Christian. 👍

Wonder if he got that from his preacher's last sermon? 🤔

Guess I'll have to wait for SX and when everyone is mad at him again so I can hear that message again. 😄

Sounds like someone who's a bit insecure and living vicariously through their child. 

super_fan_38 wrote:

Village Idiot wrote:

Spoken like a good Christian. 👍Wonder if he got that from his preacher's last sermon? 🤔Guess I'll have to wait for SX and when everyone is...

Spoken like a good Christian. 👍

Wonder if he got that from his preacher's last sermon? 🤔

Guess I'll have to wait for SX and when everyone is mad at him again so I can hear that message again. 😄

Sounds like someone who's a bit insecure and living vicariously through their child. 

DonM wrote:

That video was from his very first national at Iron Man….not a recent video…not that it matters but this was a 20 pager 4yrs ago…

That video was from his very first national at Iron Man….not a recent video…not that it matters but this was a 20 pager 4yrs ago…

Village Idiot wrote:

Spoken like a good Christian. 👍Wonder if he got that from his preacher's last sermon? 🤔Guess I'll have to wait for SX and when everyone is...

Spoken like a good Christian. 👍

Wonder if he got that from his preacher's last sermon? 🤔

Guess I'll have to wait for SX and when everyone is mad at him again so I can hear that message again. 😄

Sounds like someone who's a bit insecure and living vicariously through their child. 

DonM wrote:

That video was from his very first national at Iron Man….not a recent video…not that it matters but this was a 20 pager 4yrs ago…

That video was from his very first national at Iron Man….not a recent video…not that it matters but this was a 20 pager 4yrs ago…

Village Idiot wrote:

Thanks for the context, Don.As I don't keep up the with the latest episodes of the Deegan soaps, I assumed that was a recent event. Regardless...

Thanks for the context, Don.

As I don't keep up the with the latest episodes of the Deegan soaps, I assumed that was a recent event. Regardless, to me it's another example of the Two Faces of Deegan. And the question is - which one is real? Neither?

Just let the riding speak for itself and leave all the marketing/pot stirring stuff alone.

DonM wrote:

That video was from his very first national at Iron Man….not a recent video…not that it matters but this was a 20 pager 4yrs ago…

That video was from his very first national at Iron Man….not a recent video…not that it matters but this was a 20 pager 4yrs ago…

Village Idiot wrote:

Thanks for the context, Don.As I don't keep up the with the latest episodes of the Deegan soaps, I assumed that was a recent event. Regardless...

Thanks for the context, Don.

As I don't keep up the with the latest episodes of the Deegan soaps, I assumed that was a recent event. Regardless, to me it's another example of the Two Faces of Deegan. And the question is - which one is real? Neither?

Just let the riding speak for itself and leave all the marketing/pot stirring stuff alone.

DonM wrote:

I don’t either but I just watched this one because it was posted and it was clear that it was at his very first national before...

I don’t either but I just watched this one because it was posted and it was clear that it was at his very first national before he turned pro full time.

Village Idiot wrote:

Thanks for the context, Don.As I don't keep up the with the latest episodes of the Deegan soaps, I assumed that was a recent event. Regardless...

Thanks for the context, Don.

As I don't keep up the with the latest episodes of the Deegan soaps, I assumed that was a recent event. Regardless, to me it's another example of the Two Faces of Deegan. And the question is - which one is real? Neither?

Just let the riding speak for itself and leave all the marketing/pot stirring stuff alone.

DonM wrote:

I don’t either but I just watched this one because it was posted and it was clear that it was at his very first national before...

I don’t either but I just watched this one because it was posted and it was clear that it was at his very first national before he turned pro full time.

Village Idiot wrote:

Gotcha. 👍

I appreciate you taking time out from your moto journalistic endeavors to enlighten me! 😄

Sully wrote:

"Glad y'all didn't grow up in my era because you would've HATED Hannah. Other greats such as Rick Johnson and Jeff Ward did the same thing...

"Glad y'all didn't grow up in my era because you would've HATED Hannah. Other greats such as Rick Johnson and Jeff Ward did the same thing. "

This "back in my day" argument doesn't hold water. I grew up in that era, too, and Hannah, RJ and Wardy talked shit because they genuinely didn't like the guys they talked shit about. Deegan talks shit to generate likes on social media, he doesn't believe a word of what he says. Big difference.

Franklin Bluth wrote:

That's a completely different argument.The criticism around Deegan is usually that he talks trash, creates drama, and isn't respectful enough. My point was that motocross has...

That's a completely different argument.

The criticism around Deegan is usually that he talks trash, creates drama, and isn't respectful enough. My point was that motocross has always had stars who did exactly that.

Now you're saying Hannah, Johnson, and Ward were allowed to do it because they really meant it, while Deegan is doing it for attention. Unless you're a mind reader, you have no idea whether that's true.

And even if it is true, so what?

If Deegan is saying things that get fans, media, riders, and entire message boards talking about him nonstop, then he's doing exactly what stars in the sport have always done.

What's funny is how thin-skinned fans have become. We constantly hear people on Vital and other places complain that racers today have no personality, everybody gives the same canned interviews, and nobody says anything interesting. Then the moment someone talks a little trash, half the motocross world acts like Deegan committed a felony.

Tyler D wrote:

The "really meant it" bit is false equivocation with authenticity. Friese and Jason lawrence are authentic. They're actual villains. They don't make excuses for what they...

The "really meant it" bit is false equivocation with authenticity. Friese and Jason lawrence are authentic. They're actual villains. They don't make excuses for what they do. They don't have to make up stories about their shortcomings to nurture their egos. 

Saying there's deegan and everyone else is a false dichotomy. You can have personality and not be a fake sociopath.  Putting deegan on the level of Hannah or RJ is an insult to their manhood. When Hannah compliments decoster, you know he means it. When RC or deegan compliment someone, there's always some hidden condescension or patronizing tone, because they're so afraid of feeling less than (like a woman)

Calling people thin skinned because they call out poor character when they see it is rather disingenuous. There's a difference between being easily personally offended and disgust. Deegan falls into that uncanny valley of human behavior for a lot of folks and this triggers a response of disgust. 

 

Just really disingenuous equivocation and semantic looseness all around on your part. 

DerickYZ wrote:

I love how Deegan has turned the comments off to his instagram posts and Brian blocks people that go against them. But I thought they loved...

I love how Deegan has turned the comments off to his instagram posts and Brian blocks people that go against them. But I thought they loved the haters? Soft

super_fan_38 wrote:

Tyler D wrote:

kinda proves our point. none of that needs to be said. also he needs to dial back his dosages a bit. 

 

Pop Shmoke wrote:

If deegan hadnt gotten 3rd then he totally would have won! 

Village Idiot wrote:

Spoken like a good Christian. 👍Wonder if he got that from his preacher's last sermon? 🤔Guess I'll have to wait for SX and when everyone is...

Spoken like a good Christian. 👍

Wonder if he got that from his preacher's last sermon? 🤔

Guess I'll have to wait for SX and when everyone is mad at him again so I can hear that message again. 😄

Sounds like someone who's a bit insecure and living vicariously through their child. 

Village Idiot wrote:

Spoken like a good Christian. 👍Wonder if he got that from his preacher's last sermon? 🤔Guess I'll have to wait for SX and when everyone is...

Spoken like a good Christian. 👍

Wonder if he got that from his preacher's last sermon? 🤔

Guess I'll have to wait for SX and when everyone is mad at him again so I can hear that message again. 😄

Sounds like someone who's a bit insecure and living vicariously through their child. 

super_fan_38 wrote:

You should probably clean your own house first before you start judging others.  Brian's message is awesome because it's true.  

You should probably clean your own house first before you start judging others.  Brian's message is awesome because it's true.  

Village Idiot wrote:

Spoken like a good Christian. 👍Wonder if he got that from his preacher's last sermon? 🤔Guess I'll have to wait for SX and when everyone is...

Spoken like a good Christian. 👍

Wonder if he got that from his preacher's last sermon? 🤔

Guess I'll have to wait for SX and when everyone is mad at him again so I can hear that message again. 😄

Sounds like someone who's a bit insecure and living vicariously through their child. 

super_fan_38 wrote:

You should probably clean your own house first before you start judging others.  Brian's message is awesome because it's true.  

You should probably clean your own house first before you start judging others.  Brian's message is awesome because it's true.  

Village Idiot wrote:

Help me understand - it's true because people should go F off and "F you" if you don't want to be on his journey? If that's...

Help me understand - it's true because people should go F off and "F you" if you don't want to be on his journey? If that's the pinnacle of his intellect, let me watch where I'm walking so I don't trip over it. 🙄

An observation isn't a judgement... and I can honestly and accurately say that I have never done or said things in public that drew the ire of others and then ran and hid behind a Bible... and then once the dust settled, went back to the previous behavior nor have I posted videos using profane langauge directed at people who dared to question or criticize my (or my family member's) decisions and actions. 

I've got plenty of shortcomings, but I can't claim to have those on the list.

But let's not try to distract and deflect by questioning the virtue of the messenger - it doesn't change the validity of the statements and observations.

 

super_fan_38 wrote:

You should probably clean your own house first before you start judging others.  Brian's message is awesome because it's true.  

You should probably clean your own house first before you start judging others.  Brian's message is awesome because it's true.  

Village Idiot wrote:

Help me understand - it's true because people should go F off and "F you" if you don't want to be on his journey? If that's...

Help me understand - it's true because people should go F off and "F you" if you don't want to be on his journey? If that's the pinnacle of his intellect, let me watch where I'm walking so I don't trip over it. 🙄

An observation isn't a judgement... and I can honestly and accurately say that I have never done or said things in public that drew the ire of others and then ran and hid behind a Bible... and then once the dust settled, went back to the previous behavior nor have I posted videos using profane langauge directed at people who dared to question or criticize my (or my family member's) decisions and actions. 

I've got plenty of shortcomings, but I can't claim to have those on the list.

But let's not try to distract and deflect by questioning the virtue of the messenger - it doesn't change the validity of the statements and observations.

 

DonM wrote:

My dad always said never trust a bible thumper because they truly believe that god will forgive them for everything they do….