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Your retorts are always so good, I have no idea how I will recover from this one.
Well, it’s just an observation. Why is it you want to know what another man’s balls smell and taste like? Especially the presidents? I find that very disturbing and telling, Trav.
Yeah yeah, you got me figured out. A+ for the day to you.
We just know you tend to go ‘that’ way so we thought you would be the best person to ask.
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Says the person named soggy bottoms who is very well versed in male genitalia cuisine.
Horrible retort, by the way. Even for you.
America is tired of "NO U" politics.
Any Trump Supporters have an opinion on the amount of money Iran is rumored to be getting just to get back to talking about the issue that started this entire shit show?
Iran is going to get MORE funds than the Obama deal that was so "bad". It could be argued to have worked since Iran never nuked anybody during the deal right? And Trump attacked because they were "close" to having a nuke only 6 months after he also claimed the US obliterated the Nuclear program. If Iran was able to restart and get back to the levels of being close enough to have a Nuclear weapon in about 6 months, You could argue that they were never so close during Obama's agreement or they would have had a Nuke already right? So with all of that said, how do You all feel about the cost that so far is not clear where that $300B will come from. That is what 5 or more times more than the amount they got under Obama's agreement that actually addressed the Enrichment and weapons , while this time it only gets them to start talking.
What incentive will the US have to leverage an agreement after they hand over and unfreeze that large chunk of money? Unfreezing the much smaller amount of money that's not unforzen as part of the early agreement, maybe another $50b. The threat of bombing them again? Well then they close up the strait again and have a ton more money to play with. And still have support from Russia and China.
Seems like Trump underestimated Iran, and the real threat has been the disruption of shipping lanes, not Nuclear. Otherwise why spend so much to reopen and leave so little for the Nuke talks ?
I’ll save you the anticipation. The answer is No.
Well that wasn’t a denial 😆😆
And we applaud you for that! 😂😂
You forgot the goal of deflecting/distracting from the Epstein file furor. That seemed to turn out well for the President, not the public......
This is his MO, to break something that someone else did, then put it back like he's the one that did it.
There are two components to the money side, one is who pays and it would be absurd for us to pay, so hopefully we don't do that. Second is that they get the money at all, because the concern with them getting money is that it's funding terrorism, so if we ever actually believed that and weren't just lying through our teeth, we won't allow them to have the money regardless of who pays.
And of course there's the Obama aspect. Everyone hated that he helped Iran get fifty billion, but now they may get six times more?? Trump = Obama x 6???Absurd, but what bothers me more is the undying fervent support. I've never seen people so incredibly thirsty to go against the things they used to claim were important. Now I know where the term "full throated" came from.
Avid, I get some are frustrating (I use that term loosely) but you are so far above them, why give them even your time to respond, especially when you do it with something that's a down hill slide? You are so better than this.
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From the White House. We'll find out Friday how accurate it is.
"The supposed text of the MOU that was obtained by CNN does not reflect the language of the actual MOU,”
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Yeah I agree T.M., not my best moment which is why I bow'd out gracefully. 🙂
12-14 hour days trying to get this show done and building this house has me beyond exhausted and I vented in a very unproductive way. I'll do better next time.
Believe me, I've made my share of less than desirable posts. There's only a hand full of people here that I actually have respect for (even knowing have diametrically opposed opinions to mine) that are solid people that I enjoy talking to. Not that my respect means anything to anyone.
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The level of not wanting to speak badly of anything Trump reminds me of my Sisters EX's parents.
They came here from Russia and they refuse to ever say anything bad about Putin. Not because they really like him, but because they fear he could have them killed. Which I think is pretty silly to worry about since they are now fulltime US citizens and never intend on going back to Russia. So what are the chances Putin finds out some random Russian that moved to the US said he's a bad man? So crazy the grip Putin has on some Russians.
I'm not sure why there is so much resistance by Trump's voters to speak out about things they had a problem with others doing, but not when he is doing those same or very similar things . It's just the lack of being willing to openly criticize or push back on stuff that I see a similarity in, I'm not saying its fear like with Putin. It's just made me wonder why. It's interesting to me. I can't think of any other politician who has ever had such a strange grip on people. Some similarities with others , but it's truly fascinating.
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Trump supporters must hold the line at least until the midterms. Which is understandable. It’s less about 100% agreement and more about ensuring Congressional elections/re-elections. After November Trump goes into full-time lame duck status while the republicans determine who’s next in line. Iran is simply a minor discussion point on the way to holding House and Senate majorities.
The best government we could have these days is a deadlocked government. Stop trying to fix stuff, all you do is break things more and add expense.
I meant the regular people, the voters. Would the regular average Joe be thinking about that? Is Trump's grip that fragile that the republicans can not afford a random poster on Vital to giving their opinion about the funding details of the Iran agreement ?
That's the thing that surprises me more. An example being some of the non political stuff that was made political, and people changing their opinions to dislike said thing , even though they had no opinion or even agreed with and or enjoyed the thing before the party and Trump said it was bad. Like what does a Trump voter get out of going from making a living off selling Solar and wind energy that now won't touch those things anymore because Trump said they are bad. That level of devotion and willingness to make big changes like that just because
I know that as far as the Republican politicians themselves that support Trump, they need to keep towing the line or risk getting voted out. He's shown that to still be the case with the most recent election results. So that I can understand they get a clear benefit. I would rather have leaders who vote and say things because they believe its the right thing for the people who elected them , but they are getting something out of the deal.. Biting their tongues to be able to get or keep their jobs is more understandable than the efforts the regular non politician makes to avoid saying anything that could be perceived as disloyal.
It's interesting to me.
Yes, regardless of who the President is, I think things might be better off if the opposing party always controlled congress.
Some semblance of balance. I get that.
Especially with how close the elections have been. It shows that a big number of people's views wouldn't be represented if a single party had full control and did not want to do things with that in mind. Things are so partisan these days . Having the power split like that would give everybody a voice, well closer to everybody. And also make it harder for the fringe policies to be approved. It would either force compromise or hopefully stop either party from doing stuff that swung radically one way or the other.
It's too bad that The House and Senate often seem to forget their job is not to blindly support the president when their party's holding the office. They are supposed to be more of an equal to the President and the only people who can hold a president accountable for anything. Impeachment is the only punishment applicable to the president .
I'll leave the CNN text here, so it can be compare to the actual MOU when it's released...
If CNN's MOU is correct, Trump has already violated part of paragraph 1. "refrain from the threat or use of force against each other"...
I don't understand why hands off Lebanon is stated but no mention of Israel. US has not attacked Lebanon. So, why the exclusion?
It might be because Lebanon has been invaded, but Israel hasn't been invaded.
So, it was all for fucking nothing. Iran‘s nuclear arms program goes on unbroached.
SMMFDH
It's worst than that, the conflict has confirmed the US will put all it's resources into protecting Israel, but cannot protect other Gulf State allies, those allies may seek other alliances.
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