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Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on me. This entire tractioncontrolgate thing was manufactured for television. Feld is trying to turn this sport into NASCAR. From the intercepted radio communications between the teams to the camera zooming in on the rear brake caliper (looked like a normal caliper to me). Everyone was in on it and it was scripted. The guys in the booth, Erin, and James himself were in on it. They just punked all of us to get us all in a frenzy talking about it to help the ratings.
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Void Main wrote:
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on...
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on me. This entire tractioncontrolgate thing was manufactured for television. Feld is trying to turn this sport into NASCAR. From the intercepted radio communications between the teams to the camera zooming in on the rear brake caliper (looked like a normal caliper to me). Everyone was in on it and it was scripted. The guys in the booth, Erin, and James himself were in on it. They just punked all of us to get us all in a frenzy talking about it to help the ratings.
You have a devious mind. So you're probably right.
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1/16/2011 8:39am Edited Date/Time 1/16/2011 8:44am
Void Main wrote:
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on...
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on me. This entire tractioncontrolgate thing was manufactured for television. Feld is trying to turn this sport into NASCAR. From the intercepted radio communications between the teams to the camera zooming in on the rear brake caliper (looked like a normal caliper to me). Everyone was in on it and it was scripted. The guys in the booth, Erin, and James himself were in on it. They just punked all of us to get us all in a frenzy talking about it to help the ratings.
So how do you explain Moto GP, F1, MXGP, V8 Supercars, GT1, GT2, ALMS, Grand Am and the rest of the world racing series? Are they just copying NASCAR too? It's racing. It's 2011. Technology IS what drives high performnce racing vehicles now. It's no longer JUST about combustion engines going fast. It's about using technology to make them go even faster, both on and off the bike and also with data acquisition. Technology introduces something rules cannot regulate, the ability to use it to "bend" the rules a little and walk that grey line. It's a new side to our sport and because of that there are not many rules in place to regulate it. It's easy to bend the rules your way, I see it happen in F1 about 30 times a season. These things happen ALL the time in other forms of high level, technologically advanced motor racing. It just took our sport until about 2010 to get bikes advanced enough to start drawing those theories in to speculation.
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Void Main 1/16/2011 8:41am
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Void Main wrote:
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on...
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on me. This entire tractioncontrolgate thing was manufactured for television. Feld is trying to turn this sport into NASCAR. From the intercepted radio communications between the teams to the camera zooming in on the rear brake caliper (looked like a normal caliper to me). Everyone was in on it and it was scripted. The guys in the booth, Erin, and James himself were in on it. They just punked all of us to get us all in a frenzy talking about it to help the ratings.
aFACEdismembered wrote:
So how do you explain Moto GP, F1, MXGP, V8 Supercars, GT1, GT2, ALMS, Grand Am and the rest of the world racing series? Are they...
So how do you explain Moto GP, F1, MXGP, V8 Supercars, GT1, GT2, ALMS, Grand Am and the rest of the world racing series? Are they just copying NASCAR too? It's racing. It's 2011. Technology IS what drives high performnce racing vehicles now. It's no longer JUST about combustion engines going fast. It's about using technology to make them go even faster, both on and off the bike and also with data acquisition. Technology introduces something rules cannot regulate, the ability to use it to "bend" the rules a little and walk that grey line. It's a new side to our sport and because of that there are not many rules in place to regulate it. It's easy to bend the rules your way, I see it happen in F1 about 30 times a season. These things happen ALL the time in other forms of high level, technologically advanced motor racing. It just took our sport until about 2010 to get bikes advanced enough to start drawing those theories in to speculation.
Are they just copying NASCAR too?

Yes.
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Void Main wrote:
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on...
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on me. This entire tractioncontrolgate thing was manufactured for television. Feld is trying to turn this sport into NASCAR. From the intercepted radio communications between the teams to the camera zooming in on the rear brake caliper (looked like a normal caliper to me). Everyone was in on it and it was scripted. The guys in the booth, Erin, and James himself were in on it. They just punked all of us to get us all in a frenzy talking about it to help the ratings.
aFACEdismembered wrote:
So how do you explain Moto GP, F1, MXGP, V8 Supercars, GT1, GT2, ALMS, Grand Am and the rest of the world racing series? Are they...
So how do you explain Moto GP, F1, MXGP, V8 Supercars, GT1, GT2, ALMS, Grand Am and the rest of the world racing series? Are they just copying NASCAR too? It's racing. It's 2011. Technology IS what drives high performnce racing vehicles now. It's no longer JUST about combustion engines going fast. It's about using technology to make them go even faster, both on and off the bike and also with data acquisition. Technology introduces something rules cannot regulate, the ability to use it to "bend" the rules a little and walk that grey line. It's a new side to our sport and because of that there are not many rules in place to regulate it. It's easy to bend the rules your way, I see it happen in F1 about 30 times a season. These things happen ALL the time in other forms of high level, technologically advanced motor racing. It just took our sport until about 2010 to get bikes advanced enough to start drawing those theories in to speculation.
Funny thing is, NASCAR is the only one that for sure is not using TC.

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Void Main 1/16/2011 8:46am
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I guess you guys missed my point. Traction control was only the way of creating the controversy. It could have just as easily been an illegal Kanutzen Valve. What I am saying is all of the parties involved *knew* there was no cheating going on, they were just stirring the pot to create a buzz.
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FUVM!!!

I think you're way off buddy....well, off anyway. I think that whatever is on JS bike is legal, but being kept secret so naturally the whole pits is abuzz with speculation because no one will talk about what it really is and hey, lets face it, everyone loves a great controversy right?

Personally I think it;s some sort of data gathering sensor to help tune the FI.
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Void Main 1/16/2011 8:58am
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Well we "know" what it is. It's that GET system. Everyone involved "knew" what it was. They only created the "cheating" controversy to whip us dumb NASCAR (read Monster Truck) type fans into a frenzy. It's good for ratings.
aFACEdismembered 1/16/2011 8:59am
1/16/2011 8:59am Edited Date/Time 1/16/2011 9:05am
Void Main wrote:
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on...
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on me. This entire tractioncontrolgate thing was manufactured for television. Feld is trying to turn this sport into NASCAR. From the intercepted radio communications between the teams to the camera zooming in on the rear brake caliper (looked like a normal caliper to me). Everyone was in on it and it was scripted. The guys in the booth, Erin, and James himself were in on it. They just punked all of us to get us all in a frenzy talking about it to help the ratings.
aFACEdismembered wrote:
So how do you explain Moto GP, F1, MXGP, V8 Supercars, GT1, GT2, ALMS, Grand Am and the rest of the world racing series? Are they...
So how do you explain Moto GP, F1, MXGP, V8 Supercars, GT1, GT2, ALMS, Grand Am and the rest of the world racing series? Are they just copying NASCAR too? It's racing. It's 2011. Technology IS what drives high performnce racing vehicles now. It's no longer JUST about combustion engines going fast. It's about using technology to make them go even faster, both on and off the bike and also with data acquisition. Technology introduces something rules cannot regulate, the ability to use it to "bend" the rules a little and walk that grey line. It's a new side to our sport and because of that there are not many rules in place to regulate it. It's easy to bend the rules your way, I see it happen in F1 about 30 times a season. These things happen ALL the time in other forms of high level, technologically advanced motor racing. It just took our sport until about 2010 to get bikes advanced enough to start drawing those theories in to speculation.
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Funny thing is, NASCAR is the only one that for sure is not using TC.
F1 quit TC back in 2009. In fact a lot of series don't use TC. It wasn't directly relating to TC. It was an example to show that ALL forms of motor racing that involve technology ALWAYS push that line between legal and illegal. With all of this new technology coming in to the sport and no intricate rules regulating it, since it's so new, there are a lot of ways to "interpret" the rules.

Think triple decker diffuser's at the beginning of the 2009 F1 season. (banned for 2011)
Ferrari flex floor at the beginning of the 2007 season. (banned after 1 race because it was considered a moveable aero device and also revisited this past season with Red Bull and McLaren)
Think back to Toyota's inception to NASCAR and Michael Waltrip Racing having an illegal carburetor was it? (fined heavily)

New technology will always bring on the push for ways to use it. In most cases teams get away with just having to fix the problem if they can prove that the rules don't SPECIFICALLY say you can't do something. Until they get proved wrong it's just a bonus. Wink
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Void Main 1/16/2011 9:06am
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As a matter of fact it makes even more sense now that I remember the comparison to Monster Trucks on the broadcast last night. Feld is trying to draw in their Monster Truck crowd and maybe the cheating controversy was an attempt to appeal to them. Maybe instead of asking James if his traction control device was a factor in his win they should have asked him if his rear wheel steering was a factor.
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Void Main wrote:
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on...
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on me. This entire tractioncontrolgate thing was manufactured for television. Feld is trying to turn this sport into NASCAR. From the intercepted radio communications between the teams to the camera zooming in on the rear brake caliper (looked like a normal caliper to me). Everyone was in on it and it was scripted. The guys in the booth, Erin, and James himself were in on it. They just punked all of us to get us all in a frenzy talking about it to help the ratings.
Wrong, you should give your mind some more time to clear out.
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Void Main 1/16/2011 9:08am
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Void Main wrote:
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on...
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on me. This entire tractioncontrolgate thing was manufactured for television. Feld is trying to turn this sport into NASCAR. From the intercepted radio communications between the teams to the camera zooming in on the rear brake caliper (looked like a normal caliper to me). Everyone was in on it and it was scripted. The guys in the booth, Erin, and James himself were in on it. They just punked all of us to get us all in a frenzy talking about it to help the ratings.
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Wrong, you should give your mind some more time to clear out.
Very convincing counterpoints to my theory.
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VM I guess you believe that Jesus was really in that woman's toast too?
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Void Main 1/16/2011 9:10am
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VM I guess you believe that Jesus was really in that woman's toast too?
Are you saying JGR, RC, Fro and the gang are really all that stupid?
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
So how do you explain Moto GP, F1, MXGP, V8 Supercars, GT1, GT2, ALMS, Grand Am and the rest of the world racing series? Are they...
So how do you explain Moto GP, F1, MXGP, V8 Supercars, GT1, GT2, ALMS, Grand Am and the rest of the world racing series? Are they just copying NASCAR too? It's racing. It's 2011. Technology IS what drives high performnce racing vehicles now. It's no longer JUST about combustion engines going fast. It's about using technology to make them go even faster, both on and off the bike and also with data acquisition. Technology introduces something rules cannot regulate, the ability to use it to "bend" the rules a little and walk that grey line. It's a new side to our sport and because of that there are not many rules in place to regulate it. It's easy to bend the rules your way, I see it happen in F1 about 30 times a season. These things happen ALL the time in other forms of high level, technologically advanced motor racing. It just took our sport until about 2010 to get bikes advanced enough to start drawing those theories in to speculation.
MXTR wrote:
Funny thing is, NASCAR is the only one that for sure is not using TC.
aFACEdismembered wrote:
F1 quit TC back in 2009. In fact a lot of series don't use TC. It wasn't directly relating to TC. It was an example to...
F1 quit TC back in 2009. In fact a lot of series don't use TC. It wasn't directly relating to TC. It was an example to show that ALL forms of motor racing that involve technology ALWAYS push that line between legal and illegal. With all of this new technology coming in to the sport and no intricate rules regulating it, since it's so new, there are a lot of ways to "interpret" the rules.

Think triple decker diffuser's at the beginning of the 2009 F1 season. (banned for 2011)
Ferrari flex floor at the beginning of the 2007 season. (banned after 1 race because it was considered a moveable aero device and also revisited this past season with Red Bull and McLaren)
Think back to Toyota's inception to NASCAR and Michael Waltrip Racing having an illegal carburetor was it? (fined heavily)

New technology will always bring on the push for ways to use it. In most cases teams get away with just having to fix the problem if they can prove that the rules don't SPECIFICALLY say you can't do something. Until they get proved wrong it's just a bonus. Wink
From the wisdom of The Big Chill..."You're SO analytical..."
aFACEdismembered 1/16/2011 9:11am
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VM I guess you believe that Jesus was really in that woman's toast too?
Void Main wrote:
Are you saying JGR, RC, Fro and the gang are really all that stupid?
Considering they're in a booth with mic's on and not wrenching for L&M... somewhat. It's JGR, they run a holeshot device on their rear linkage and they're a main factory rival. What else do you expect?
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FUVM!!! I think you're way off buddy....well, off anyway. I think that whatever is on JS bike is legal, but being kept secret so naturally the...
FUVM!!!

I think you're way off buddy....well, off anyway. I think that whatever is on JS bike is legal, but being kept secret so naturally the whole pits is abuzz with speculation because no one will talk about what it really is and hey, lets face it, everyone loves a great controversy right?

Personally I think it;s some sort of data gathering sensor to help tune the FI.
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Void Main 1/16/2011 9:13am
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downandup wrote:
VM I guess you believe that Jesus was really in that woman's toast too?
Void Main wrote:
Are you saying JGR, RC, Fro and the gang are really all that stupid?
aFACEdismembered wrote:
Considering they're in a booth with mic's on and not wrenching for L&M... somewhat. It's JGR, they run a holeshot device on their rear linkage and...
Considering they're in a booth with mic's on and not wrenching for L&M... somewhat. It's JGR, they run a holeshot device on their rear linkage and they're a main factory rival. What else do you expect?
But according to LB more teams than just his are using this and it's been around for 3 years. You can't tell me these guys don't know what it is.
aFACEdismembered 1/16/2011 9:24am
1/16/2011 9:24am Edited Date/Time 1/16/2011 9:27am
It's a simple to operate computer device. You can get a programmer to program in anything they want if they have the time, money and knowledge to do so. Maybe they just have more data acquisition that most teams.

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Void Main wrote:
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on...
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on me. This entire tractioncontrolgate thing was manufactured for television. Feld is trying to turn this sport into NASCAR. From the intercepted radio communications between the teams to the camera zooming in on the rear brake caliper (looked like a normal caliper to me). Everyone was in on it and it was scripted. The guys in the booth, Erin, and James himself were in on it. They just punked all of us to get us all in a frenzy talking about it to help the ratings.
The only strengths of your hypothesis is its reasonable, practical and technically feasible.
Other then that...

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Void Main 1/16/2011 10:13am
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What's Feld's full company name? That's right "Feld Entertainment." Who's the other party involved? What's his full company name? That's right "James Stewart Entertainment." Tell me all this controversy isn't entertaining. It's so obvious. Wink
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tunedlength 1/16/2011 10:22am
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You just need to stare at the toast a little longer.
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I think there is a sensor that gathers data. With that being said its not a traction control device. I think it monitors the spin on the wheel as the race goes on and as the track breaks down.

Then...He has the switch on his bars which we saw in the video, (i believe it was transworld) which wasnt mentioned. But they take the data and he could switch the curve on the FI and thus allowing him two power deliveries, one while the track is still in pretty good shape with traction and one for when the track is beat down and slick.

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TerryK wrote : Personally I think it;s some sort of data gathering sensor to help tune the FI.

THIS! ^ ^ ^ ^

That's exactly what it is! It "monitors" so they can make adjustments......it does nothing "during" the riding / racing.

I had one idiot in another thread show me what exactly GET was.......and he STILL thinks it's a cheating device.

Remember this? : When they tried to DQ RC at one race because they found like .0002% of lead / bad fuel in post inspection? Which boils down to less than 2 drops in a 55 gallon drum..........and some people said.....it was still cheating.

Use your fucking heads!

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After A1, on Monday Kickstart it showed the GET device..Regal was running one, and Reed was. It goes up behind the seat and there is a gps unit, and there is a wire that goes to the rear wheel to monitor wheel spin, wheel speed and so on and so forth...I think it is kinda funny they are making it seem like cheating, and JGR brought it up, but it also showed last week on Kickstart that they are running a rear Holeshot device... Im not saying thats cheating, but if they are running that and calling out Stewart for using a piece of wire to monitor things...
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Void Main wrote:
I guess you guys missed my point. Traction control was only the way of creating the controversy. It could have just as easily been an illegal...
I guess you guys missed my point. Traction control was only the way of creating the controversy. It could have just as easily been an illegal Kanutzen Valve. What I am saying is all of the parties involved *knew* there was no cheating going on, they were just stirring the pot to create a buzz.
what BS! The Kanutzen Valve is only theoretical, nobody has ever built one that works. It's like cold fusion. Additionally, top NOAA scientist have also projected that a working Kanutzen could rip a whole in time space and destroy the universe.



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Void Main wrote:
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on...
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on me. This entire tractioncontrolgate thing was manufactured for television. Feld is trying to turn this sport into NASCAR. From the intercepted radio communications between the teams to the camera zooming in on the rear brake caliper (looked like a normal caliper to me). Everyone was in on it and it was scripted. The guys in the booth, Erin, and James himself were in on it. They just punked all of us to get us all in a frenzy talking about it to help the ratings.
Wheel speed sensor 2 thread. That was my thought on it last night. I'd be more inclined to believe actual wrong doing or, at least genuine intent to reveal wrong doing, if it had been team Honda talkin' about it on their head sets.
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Void Main 1/16/2011 10:57am
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I guess you guys missed my point. Traction control was only the way of creating the controversy. It could have just as easily been an illegal...
I guess you guys missed my point. Traction control was only the way of creating the controversy. It could have just as easily been an illegal Kanutzen Valve. What I am saying is all of the parties involved *knew* there was no cheating going on, they were just stirring the pot to create a buzz.
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what BS! The Kanutzen Valve is only theoretical, nobody has ever built one that works. It's like cold fusion. Additionally, top NOAA scientist have also projected...
what BS! The Kanutzen Valve is only theoretical, nobody has ever built one that works. It's like cold fusion. Additionally, top NOAA scientist have also projected that a working Kanutzen could rip a whole in time space and destroy the universe.



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aFACEdismembered 1/16/2011 9:57pm
1/16/2011 9:57pm Edited Date/Time 1/16/2011 9:59pm
It was a response to the post above mine but let me simplify it for you still. They might be using GET to grab more data than most teams. More data just means an easier understanding of the bike. More sensors equals more data. When did I say anything about braking and slowing him down?
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Void Main wrote:
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on...
Yeah, I started another thread but I haven't heard this angle yet. After sleeping on it and waking up with a clearer mind it dawned on me. This entire tractioncontrolgate thing was manufactured for television. Feld is trying to turn this sport into NASCAR. From the intercepted radio communications between the teams to the camera zooming in on the rear brake caliper (looked like a normal caliper to me). Everyone was in on it and it was scripted. The guys in the booth, Erin, and James himself were in on it. They just punked all of us to get us all in a frenzy talking about it to help the ratings.
I'll have to sleep on it then I will get back to you to see if I buy your conspiracy theory
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nytsmaC 1/16/2011 11:24pm
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There are some guys running kanutzen valves on their sleds up here, it's only a matter of time until you see it in SX.

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