VH1 Classic Albums- Never Mind the Bollocks

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Best one yet in this series.

They made it sound like the whole thing was one big long accident. Not just the album but the whole career( such as it was).

Four guys who couldn't play (at first) being managed by a guy who only wanted to sell clothes

Sacking Matlock probably doomed the band( no real suprise there)

For a guy who supposedly couldn't play a lick- Steve Jones played some pretty tight and cool sounding guitar
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I have Anarchy in the UK and God save the Queen in my iPhone
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Jonesy hosts a radio show here in LA pretty interesting sometimes he tells stories from those days. John Lydon's (Rotten) book "Rotten - No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs" is a really good read too. Some chapters are wriiten by friends during that era like Chrissy Hinds and Billy Idol. Interesting stories too he had a really rough childhood
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the sex pistols played on of their six u.s. concerts here in tulsa. of course, i missed it.

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I never "got" the Sex Pistols. One of the most overrated bands of all time. The great rock & roll swindle was aptly named. Spare me the "they represented the backlash against all that was bad about the corporate music culture of the time" speech. If you want to hear good anarchists who could actually play & weren't just a marketing ploy listen to the Clash.
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for the record, i love the clash. i miss them.
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It was raw shit, that's why I like it
It's like the Dead Milkmen, they suck... but it's the rawness of it and the fact that it is shit that makes it good
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So bad is good, eh Dave? Tongue
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flarider wrote:
It was raw shit, that's why I like it It's like the Dead Milkmen, they suck... but it's the rawness of it and the fact that...
It was raw shit, that's why I like it
It's like the Dead Milkmen, they suck... but it's the rawness of it and the fact that it is shit that makes it good
Raw, but suprisingly controlled. They talked on theb show about how most of their songs were mid tempo, not some out of control speed punk.

There's no way anyone gonna claim they were musical genius's, but that wasn't the point was it?

They made one album that will be talked for for as long as there is music being made. Take that, Emerson, Lake and Palmer
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So bad is good, eh Dave?
So bad is good, eh Dave? Tongue
In some instances, yeah.
Especially in this genre
You can't say the Dead Kennedy's songs are musical masterpieces, it's grinding sound with a very odd sounding lyricist (Jello Biafra) made it sound like crap .... but it was good stuff
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I give anything props if it has good lyrics. Always been a words man in that regard. The pistols were just a bunch of wankers who couldn't play but said outrageous things. That was their gimmick. The Ramones were hardly great musicians but they said so much more with their lyrics & attitude. The Pistols were all attitude & no talent.
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BMSOB wrote:
I give anything props if it has good lyrics. Always been a words man in that regard. The pistols were just a bunch of wankers who...
I give anything props if it has good lyrics. Always been a words man in that regard. The pistols were just a bunch of wankers who couldn't play but said outrageous things. That was their gimmick. The Ramones were hardly great musicians but they said so much more with their lyrics & attitude. The Pistols were all attitude & no talent.
She was a girl from Birmingham
she just had an abortion
she was a case of insanity
her name was Pauline she lived in a tree

She was a no-one who killed her baby
she sent her letters from the country
she was an animal
she was a bloody disgrace

Body I'm not an animal
Mummy I'm not an abortion

Dragged on a table in a factory
illegitimate place to be
in a packet in a lavatory
die little baby screaming

Body screaming fucking bloody mess
it's not an animal it's an abortion

Body I'm not an animal
Body I'm not an abortion

Throbbing squirm, gurgling bloody mess
I'm not a discharge I'm not a loss in
protein I'm not a throbbing squirm Ah!


Fuck fhis and fuck that
fuck it all and fuck the fucking brat
She don't wanna baby that looks like that
I don't wanna baby that looks like that.

Body I'm not an animal
Body i'm not an abortion
4/23/2008 6:55am
BMSOB wrote:
I never "got" the Sex Pistols. One of the most overrated bands of all time. The great rock & roll swindle was aptly named. Spare me...
I never "got" the Sex Pistols. One of the most overrated bands of all time. The great rock & roll swindle was aptly named. Spare me the "they represented the backlash against all that was bad about the corporate music culture of the time" speech. If you want to hear good anarchists who could actually play & weren't just a marketing ploy listen to the Clash.
Your missing the point, No Pistols = No Clash. Were they the best?Hardly, but they were the catalyst which makes them important in a historical sense.
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BMSOB wrote:
I give anything props if it has good lyrics. Always been a words man in that regard. The pistols were just a bunch of wankers who...
I give anything props if it has good lyrics. Always been a words man in that regard. The pistols were just a bunch of wankers who couldn't play but said outrageous things. That was their gimmick. The Ramones were hardly great musicians but they said so much more with their lyrics & attitude. The Pistols were all attitude & no talent.
Sex Pistols
Never Mind the Bollocks Here's the Sex... (1977)
Holidays In The Sun

A cheap holiday in other people's misery

I don't wanna holiday in the sun
I wanna go to the new Belsen
I wanna see some history
'cause now t got a reasonable economy

Oh now I got a reason...
and l'm still waiting
Now I got a reason
to be waiting
the Berlin wall

In sensurround sound in a two inch wall
well I was waiting for the communist call
I didn't ask for sunshine
and I got world war three
I'm looking over the wall
and they're looking at me

Oh now l got a reason...
and I'm still waiting
Now I got a reason
to be waiting
the Berlin wall

They're staring all night
and fhey're staring all day.
l had no reason to be here at all.
But now I got a reason if's no real reason
And I'm waiting at Berlin wall
I gotta go over fhe Berlin wall.
I don't understand it... (etc.)

Claostrophobia there's too much paranoia
there's too many closets
I went in before
And now I got a reason
it's no real reason to be waiting
the Berlin wall

I gotta go over the wall,
I don't understand this bit at all... (etc.)

Please don't be waiting for me.

More from artist :
Sex Pistols



More from album :
Never Mind the Bollocks Here's the Sex...





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I wouldn't say the Clash came up as a result of the Pistols. They were right there together, if i remember right

Certainly an elevated place in history for both of them, though
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BMSOB wrote:
I give anything props if it has good lyrics. Always been a words man in that regard. The pistols were just a bunch of wankers who...
I give anything props if it has good lyrics. Always been a words man in that regard. The pistols were just a bunch of wankers who couldn't play but said outrageous things. That was their gimmick. The Ramones were hardly great musicians but they said so much more with their lyrics & attitude. The Pistols were all attitude & no talent.
Dean wrote:
She was a girl from Birmingham she just had an abortion she was a case of insanity her name was Pauline she lived in a tree...
She was a girl from Birmingham
she just had an abortion
she was a case of insanity
her name was Pauline she lived in a tree

She was a no-one who killed her baby
she sent her letters from the country
she was an animal
she was a bloody disgrace

Body I'm not an animal
Mummy I'm not an abortion

Dragged on a table in a factory
illegitimate place to be
in a packet in a lavatory
die little baby screaming

Body screaming fucking bloody mess
it's not an animal it's an abortion

Body I'm not an animal
Body I'm not an abortion

Throbbing squirm, gurgling bloody mess
I'm not a discharge I'm not a loss in
protein I'm not a throbbing squirm Ah!


Fuck fhis and fuck that
fuck it all and fuck the fucking brat
She don't wanna baby that looks like that
I don't wanna baby that looks like that.

Body I'm not an animal
Body i'm not an abortion
Sorry guys, you can't convince me & this isn't the best example I would use. Again saying outrageous things purely for effect. The credits for their songs go several members of the band but there is real debate over whether they actually wrote the lyrics themselves as well. Great marketing ploy but little else IMO & I do not believe that if there had been no Pistols there would have been no Clash. The whole English punk scene came out of the nihlisim of a decaying & dying empire. That would have manifested itself either way.
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BMSOB wrote:
So bad is good, eh Dave?
So bad is good, eh Dave? Tongue
flarider wrote:
In some instances, yeah. Especially in this genre You can't say the Dead Kennedy's songs are musical masterpieces, it's grinding sound with a very odd sounding...
In some instances, yeah.
Especially in this genre
You can't say the Dead Kennedy's songs are musical masterpieces, it's grinding sound with a very odd sounding lyricist (Jello Biafra) made it sound like crap .... but it was good stuff
I loved the DK's. I saw them a couple of times in the early 80's and their shows were great.
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I always loved The Ramones and thought they were one of the most influential bands of all time. I thought (and still think) the Sex Pistols sucked. Bunch of drunk, doped out, British, teenage wankers whose music sucked because they couldn't play worth a shit. And what's worse is old John Lydon was recently trashing Green Day saying how bad they suck and how they betrayed their punk roots and that no one wants to hear their boring music, etc. I guess no one ever explained to him that they played to sold out venues of upwards of 50,000 fans on their last tour.
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Who Killed Bambi! Best Single ever from the Pistols.

PIL was good. Saw them once. Never mind the Bullocks was a good album.
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The Ramones influenced a lot of the UK punk bands. Iggy and the Stooges probably had the biggest influence on punk than anyone.

I loved PIL...great fricken band. Listen to their song Seattle...kind of Nostrodamus like about the grunge scene--but way before it exploded. Course that's they way I hear it now.

Seattle" by PIL (Happy, The Greatest Hits...So far)


Don' like the look of this old town
What goes up must come down
Character is lost and found
On unfamiliar playing ground

Get out of my world



> What in the world

Shoeboxed around the rifle range
Have all your functions rearranged
Your mind and body gagged and bound
On a new familiar playing ground
The ordinary will ignore
Whatever they canot explain
As if--nothing ever happened
And everything remained the same again

What in the world (3)
Get out of my world (3)

[these lyrics are found on http://www.songlyrics.com]
Get up, get out, get out of my world (repeat)
Open your mouth now

Secret signs and knowing looks
These sunny days will cook the books
Happy to take the misery
This mortal life can bring to me
Don't like the look of this old town
What goes up must come down
Character is lost and found
On unfamiliar playing ground

What in the world (3)
What in, get out, get out, get out of my worlkld
What in the world
Palaces, barricades, threats meet promises
(repeat)

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The Sex Pistols opened for Joe Strummers first band. Mick Jones has said that Strummer has said when he saw the Pistols that he had seen the future. At that point Strummer left that band and formed The Clash. Would there have been a Clash without that happening, maybe, maybe not. The Ramones influenced everyone, The Sex Pistols influenced the Clash, Souxie, The Pretenders, Pogues, Gen X...........

John Lydon was the right person at the right place at the right time, PIL was great but he's as much of a kook now as Malcolm McLaren. Steve Jones, Mick Jones, and Joe Strummer are forever cool ass MFers.

Big Audio Dynamite get forgotten but for the time they were a great band too.
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The Ramones and Sex pistols have influenced so many bands that I listen to today. Both are great bands in there own rights.
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Saw PIL play the Bronco Bowl in Dallas back in '89. One of my favorite shows at my favorite venue.
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Here's the guy who did Who Killed Bambi, he's an amusing cat.

http://www.myspace.com/edtudorpole

The Great Rock and Roll Swindle movie is a slightly amusing Malcolm McLaren version of things.
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The Cult - Electric

It had a great, raw sound to it. Then they went pop.
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jtomasik wrote:
The Cult - Electric

It had a great, raw sound to it. Then they went pop.
Electric was their first attempt @ reinvention- Listen to She Sells Sanctuary off of Love for their original sound- new wavy, wall of sound, psychedelia type stuff

not really in the same category or league as what we're discussing here
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Ya, The Cult changed their sound so much, you can't really classify them.
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no doubt about the labeling part

I saw them after Electric- not as good as I was hoping for
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hey guys remember a band from that same era called the Church? I remember being so into them and a couple of years ago found a copy of Starfish in a used CD bin- After one listen I was like- " how in the hell did I listen to this shit? Oh yeah, i remember- I was stoned all the time back then.

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