How bad was Roczen

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BobbyM 1/9/2011 10:35pm
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RonSkj wrote:
Shakin up in his practices crash? He was off the pace in the final, after having the fastest qualifying time.
Any news on injuries?
fucker was hauling ass
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TeamGreen 1/9/2011 11:31pm
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When he get's his starts down, it's over.

Hopefully, Martin, too.
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Alex 1/9/2011 11:37pm
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He looked pretty fed up after the main.



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the_wood109 1/9/2011 11:39pm
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I watched the GPs all summer....if there is one kid that learns quick, it's Roczen.

It is exactly like Jeffro and GOAT said...he has to learn where to stick it in SX to make passes. During the heat race, it looked like he was about to run it in on a guy on the face of a jump.

Stewie, meanwhile, cut it under a guy during the last section of the rhythm section (the on - off table.) He just needs better methods of passing...starts help as well.

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He's fkn lucky he didnt soil sample big time and put an end to his career.
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dirtworldmx wrote:
How long until we can stop saying, "He's only 16"...or 17..or 18? Kid has some big-time experience and handled the pressure well in Colorado last year...
How long until we can stop saying, "He's only 16"...or 17..or 18? Kid has some big-time experience and handled the pressure well in Colorado last year. Hell, he is more seasoned than half the guys on the line. It surely must be from the crash. Hope he heals up and KILLS it next week!
How about we wait until he is 17 or 18? Let the kid come into his own healthy.
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mccread 1/10/2011 4:07am
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He got two bad starts that's all! His speed was not the problem.

Went from 15th to 4th in the heat, with lap times just 1 tenth of hansen. The went from 15th to7th in the main and was about to pass Morais when he went down, and came from 9th back to 7th. Ken is smart he will figure it out.. with better starts he would have been top 3. He beat Tomac, but I also I expect Tomac to be battling for a podium next week too.
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the_wood109 wrote:
I watched the GPs all summer....if there is one kid that learns quick, it's Roczen. It is exactly like Jeffro and GOAT said...he has to learn...
I watched the GPs all summer....if there is one kid that learns quick, it's Roczen.

It is exactly like Jeffro and GOAT said...he has to learn where to stick it in SX to make passes. During the heat race, it looked like he was about to run it in on a guy on the face of a jump.

Stewie, meanwhile, cut it under a guy during the last section of the rhythm section (the on - off table.) He just needs better methods of passing...starts help as well.
I agree with you and the two Pros' assessment, over mcread's explantion.Cool
"He got two bad starts that's all! His speed was not the problem." ...riggght.
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the_wood109 wrote:
I watched the GPs all summer....if there is one kid that learns quick, it's Roczen. It is exactly like Jeffro and GOAT said...he has to learn...
I watched the GPs all summer....if there is one kid that learns quick, it's Roczen.

It is exactly like Jeffro and GOAT said...he has to learn where to stick it in SX to make passes. During the heat race, it looked like he was about to run it in on a guy on the face of a jump.

Stewie, meanwhile, cut it under a guy during the last section of the rhythm section (the on - off table.) He just needs better methods of passing...starts help as well.
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I agree with you and the two Pros' assessment, over mcread's explantion. "He got two bad starts that's all! His speed was not the problem." ...riggght.
I agree with you and the two Pros' assessment, over mcread's explantion.Cool
"He got two bad starts that's all! His speed was not the problem." ...riggght.
'he has to learn where to stick it in SX to make passes'

...even though he was able to make 10 passes in his heat and 7 passes in the main?Thats roughly the same amount of passes as Reed and Stewart made in the 450 main event.

You shouldn't take EVERYTHING the commentators say as gospel, half the time they're filling while not paying much attention to what's happening on the track.
thefactorypilot 1/10/2011 6:29am
1/10/2011 6:29am
Am I the only one who thought his bike looked a little stiff?

Yes I realize that is a total armchair-QB maneuver, but just a casual observation...

I'm really impressed with how Roczen rode and am looking for him to be on top of the box before round 4. The kid oozes talent and I think is my favorite west coast lites rider aside from Wil Hahn.
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Highsider 1/10/2011 6:32am
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the_wood109 wrote:
I watched the GPs all summer....if there is one kid that learns quick, it's Roczen. It is exactly like Jeffro and GOAT said...he has to learn...
I watched the GPs all summer....if there is one kid that learns quick, it's Roczen.

It is exactly like Jeffro and GOAT said...he has to learn where to stick it in SX to make passes. During the heat race, it looked like he was about to run it in on a guy on the face of a jump.

Stewie, meanwhile, cut it under a guy during the last section of the rhythm section (the on - off table.) He just needs better methods of passing...starts help as well.
Highsider wrote:
I agree with you and the two Pros' assessment, over mcread's explantion. "He got two bad starts that's all! His speed was not the problem." ...riggght.
I agree with you and the two Pros' assessment, over mcread's explantion.Cool
"He got two bad starts that's all! His speed was not the problem." ...riggght.
jamma10 wrote:
'[i]he has to learn where to stick it in SX to make passes[/i]' ...even though he was able to make 10 passes in his heat and...
'he has to learn where to stick it in SX to make passes'

...even though he was able to make 10 passes in his heat and 7 passes in the main?Thats roughly the same amount of passes as Reed and Stewart made in the 450 main event.

You shouldn't take EVERYTHING the commentators say as gospel, half the time they're filling while not paying much attention to what's happening on the track.
I was watching, too, and the camera combined with RC and Fro made good sense. I am not a sx rider and I felt I was learning a bit as I watched, about momentum and approach angles, for a pass, at least on the A1 track.

Trust me, I have been to a 'few' races in person.

Just saying I enjoyed the coverage and even the commentator's drivel.
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jmar 1/10/2011 6:44am
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dirtworldmx wrote:
How long until we can stop saying, "He's only 16"...or 17..or 18? Kid has some big-time experience and handled the pressure well in Colorado last year...
How long until we can stop saying, "He's only 16"...or 17..or 18? Kid has some big-time experience and handled the pressure well in Colorado last year. Hell, he is more seasoned than half the guys on the line. It surely must be from the crash. Hope he heals up and KILLS it next week!
It doesn't matter how much experience he has. He's a 16 year old kid, and jumping in head first, at something that he's not been prepped for.

The kid has a lot of heart, maybe to much heart, and if he doesn't back it down a bit he's going end up on the injured list. I like the kid, and I hope he get's a few things straighten out and ends up having a good season.
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jamma10 1/10/2011 6:55am
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Highsider wrote:
I agree with you and the two Pros' assessment, over mcread's explantion. "He got two bad starts that's all! His speed was not the problem." ...riggght.
I agree with you and the two Pros' assessment, over mcread's explantion.Cool
"He got two bad starts that's all! His speed was not the problem." ...riggght.
jamma10 wrote:
'[i]he has to learn where to stick it in SX to make passes[/i]' ...even though he was able to make 10 passes in his heat and...
'he has to learn where to stick it in SX to make passes'

...even though he was able to make 10 passes in his heat and 7 passes in the main?Thats roughly the same amount of passes as Reed and Stewart made in the 450 main event.

You shouldn't take EVERYTHING the commentators say as gospel, half the time they're filling while not paying much attention to what's happening on the track.
Highsider wrote:
I was watching, too, and the camera combined with RC and Fro made good sense. I am not a sx rider and I felt I was...
I was watching, too, and the camera combined with RC and Fro made good sense. I am not a sx rider and I felt I was learning a bit as I watched, about momentum and approach angles, for a pass, at least on the A1 track.

Trust me, I have been to a 'few' races in person.

Just saying I enjoyed the coverage and even the commentator's drivel.
I agree he still needs to learn a little Supercross race craft/nous and Im not going to sit here and pretend I know the sport better than two or the greatest racers of all time. But to me passing wasn't the issue at all, surely he demonstrated that, it was getting squeezed out on both starts which put him pack in the pack each time.
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KAWboy14 1/10/2011 7:18am
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"i rode tight and got arm pump"


that kid is for real, his first sx series and the kid is 16.....he will grow up and make decoster a winner over thier at ktm!
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
He got 7th after falling. I'll consider that a success for him any day. That will only give him more confidence.
I agree. A 7th place after a crash in his very first sx race is a good result to me.
I think his biggest problem will be the start. He's not a great starter and in a short race like a sx main event this can be a problem.
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I don't think there is any reason to think this kid won't be a star. All Saturday night was just getting the mistakes out of the way.
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aFACEdismembered wrote:
He got 7th after falling. I'll consider that a success for him any day. That will only give him more confidence.
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I agree. A 7th place after a crash in his very first sx race is a good result to me. I think his biggest problem will...
I agree. A 7th place after a crash in his very first sx race is a good result to me.
I think his biggest problem will be the start. He's not a great starter and in a short race like a sx main event this can be a problem.
Pichon, 17-y-o, 1994, privateer Honda.



A1 = 7th (or 8th);

Seattle = 2nd;

San Diego = 1st;



returns to Europe to race GP's;



1995 + 1996 = East Coast SX champ on PC Kawis;



2011, on a full factory KTM, Roczen starts with a 7th at A1. He can win as soon as next week !

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aFACEdismembered wrote:
He got 7th after falling. I'll consider that a success for him any day. That will only give him more confidence.
Fabio wrote:
I agree. A 7th place after a crash in his very first sx race is a good result to me. I think his biggest problem will...
I agree. A 7th place after a crash in his very first sx race is a good result to me.
I think his biggest problem will be the start. He's not a great starter and in a short race like a sx main event this can be a problem.
Xavier wrote:
Pichon, 17-y-o, 1994, privateer Honda. A1 = 7th (or 8th); Seattle = 2nd; San Diego = 1st; returns to Europe to race GP's; 1995 + 1996...
Pichon, 17-y-o, 1994, privateer Honda.



A1 = 7th (or 8th);

Seattle = 2nd;

San Diego = 1st;



returns to Europe to race GP's;



1995 + 1996 = East Coast SX champ on PC Kawis;



2011, on a full factory KTM, Roczen starts with a 7th at A1. He can win as soon as next week !
Anyone know what kinda temperament Roczen's dad has? Grinning
aFACEdismembered 1/10/2011 8:29am
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jamma10 wrote:
'[i]he has to learn where to stick it in SX to make passes[/i]' ...even though he was able to make 10 passes in his heat and...
'he has to learn where to stick it in SX to make passes'

...even though he was able to make 10 passes in his heat and 7 passes in the main?Thats roughly the same amount of passes as Reed and Stewart made in the 450 main event.

You shouldn't take EVERYTHING the commentators say as gospel, half the time they're filling while not paying much attention to what's happening on the track.
Highsider wrote:
I was watching, too, and the camera combined with RC and Fro made good sense. I am not a sx rider and I felt I was...
I was watching, too, and the camera combined with RC and Fro made good sense. I am not a sx rider and I felt I was learning a bit as I watched, about momentum and approach angles, for a pass, at least on the A1 track.

Trust me, I have been to a 'few' races in person.

Just saying I enjoyed the coverage and even the commentator's drivel.
jamma10 wrote:
I agree he still needs to learn a little Supercross race craft/nous and Im not going to sit here and pretend I know the sport better...
I agree he still needs to learn a little Supercross race craft/nous and Im not going to sit here and pretend I know the sport better than two or the greatest racers of all time. But to me passing wasn't the issue at all, surely he demonstrated that, it was getting squeezed out on both starts which put him pack in the pack each time.
Don't get me wrong he passed a lot of people... but he could have passed SOME a lot faster which would only allow him to pass more in the end. Some guys he would get stuck behind for a few laps, trying to show a wheel, hoping they would relent the position. His whole cut inside but roll a few things trying to pass doesn't generally work in SX. Good lines if you're alone battling for the lead and keeping pressure on but it's not effective for a pass mid pack unless you really get up in there and be aggressive.



His aggression looked a little off. I've seen him make some contact for a pass in the GP's but he looked hesitant the other night... almost like he was trying to not make enemies at round 1 by being aggressive and not do anything silly to fall (which he did). A big part of what makes a pass is KNOWING who you're passing. That helps determine a pass just as much as anything.
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JackLHyde 1/10/2011 8:38am
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It just watched his heat race. Something wasn't right. He looked tight, not like usually.
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Ken will be unbeatable in the future if he can just get a little better starts.
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Roczen not bad.

Roczen very good.

I was sitting near Stefan Everts during practice when Roczen tangled with a TLD bike and hit the ground before the whoops. Everts didn't even flinch or seem too concerned.
I'm not saying he didn't care, but more like he has lots of confidence in Roczen (which he should).
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Off the pace? Yes but he's in a foreign country, he's 16, it was his first big SX race, and he's banged up. Give him some...
Off the pace? Yes but he's in a foreign country, he's 16, it was his first big SX race, and he's banged up. Give him some time.
he also crashed in the final. he will get better through the season.
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One cool thing is I have yet to see or hear anyone say somehting bad about this guy. People seem to like him, they seem to like his atitude/personallity, and they seem to like his riding style.

When/if he starts winning he might be the first euro superstar in America in a long time.
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mxgeoff 1/10/2011 9:04am
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Third fastest overall in practice times in his first EVER major Supercross behind Stewart and Reed, man, that was amazing. Once he gets a little experience I would pick him to have the quickest times, even faster than Stewart and Reed.

He just needs to settle down it seems.
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mxgeoff wrote:
Third fastest overall in practice times in his first EVER major Supercross behind Stewart and Reed, man, that was amazing. Once he gets a little experience...
Third fastest overall in practice times in his first EVER major Supercross behind Stewart and Reed, man, that was amazing. Once he gets a little experience I would pick him to have the quickest times, even faster than Stewart and Reed.

He just needs to settle down it seems.
I would pick him to have the quickest times, even faster than Stewart...

Now that IS a bold statement!!!

Im taking cover, this threads about to get rinsed.
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everyone likes Ken because of his attitude he doesn't have that arrogance that the french riders seem to have,he is hard working and polite.
It won't take him long to sort it all out and as far as the starts go he needs to work that out fast but he is on a ktm so shouldn't be too much of a problem maybe just a day with mike alessi as coach
GoldenState54 1/10/2011 9:22am
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It doesn't matter how much experience he has. He's a 16 year old kid, and jumping in head first, at something that he's not been prepped...
It doesn't matter how much experience he has. He's a 16 year old kid, and jumping in head first, at something that he's not been prepped for.

The kid has a lot of heart, maybe to much heart, and if he doesn't back it down a bit he's going end up on the injured list. I like the kid, and I hope he get's a few things straighten out and ends up having a good season.
Ditto that jmar.
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mxgeoff wrote:
Third fastest overall in practice times in his first EVER major Supercross behind Stewart and Reed, man, that was amazing. Once he gets a little experience...
Third fastest overall in practice times in his first EVER major Supercross behind Stewart and Reed, man, that was amazing. Once he gets a little experience I would pick him to have the quickest times, even faster than Stewart and Reed.

He just needs to settle down it seems.
Well he won't need a little but a loooOOOt of experience!! 2 secs a lap is huge... (59 secs/lap for Roczen, 57 for Stewart)

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