Lappers

Tomac:

"Yeah, there was there was time to be made. It's just how much risk you want to take. And I was able to get to second at one point and then got balled up by lappers and paid the price for it. So, it was frustrating that way. And then I almost got taken out in the second moto by a lapper. So, yeah, it's bad, it's bad. I think if the track's sub-50 seconds, make it a 15-man gate. I mean, they're just riders that are way off the pace of the top lead group. And if the promoter wants to potentially lose championship contenders, I mean, then let's keep it the way it is. But yeah, frustrating, but got out of here healthy and clean and second's what we had."

In addition to having fewer riders on the gate, what about flagging the last-place rider off the course on each lap after lap two?

I’ve said this before on here. Needs to happen. The other benefit is the start straight doesn’t need to take up so much real estate. And less tires in the track means it won’t get as beat up. 
I couldn’t even tell you who was 16th place and beyond. Besides when they got in the way. 

No.  Rider lapped = rider exits race.

At that point all their doing is getting in the leaders way… so that only hurts the leader… I called it as soon as I saw the lap times and how rutted that place was, that lappers would be the story of the night, and surprise lappers were fucking it all up by moto 1 lol.

45 second lap time just doesn’t work with the current set up…

Like I said elsewhere, after the qualifying sessions, everyone out of the top 15, or outside a percentage of the best qualifying time, gets sent to a race of their own.

Scrapping the LCQ.

So the lapper only effects the lead guy? That’s a dumb idea.  If you want to pull guys off the track I’ve got a better one. 

We have lap times. Based on what the leader is running and what the back of the pack is running you can predict what lap they would get lapped on. Black flag them the lap before they’d get passed. 

I mean there would be 10 guys left less than halfway through the main. I don’t hate the idea but after 2 laps is extreme. Maybe after 7-10

I’ve said this exact fix in multiple threads for years.  I think the latest frontrunner effected also effects people’s support of things like this.

Since it was the people’s champ Eli effected and outspoken I assume this conversation will be more positive 

The blue flags were hard to see last night way off to the side

Also, after watching the races again this morning, numerous flaggers just stood there not doing their job.

They would still have to pass a lapper using this method. It might save them being lapped twice though. 

I think 15-rider mains only, top 13 get points, and an additional purse makes sense.  

At the same time, Vince went 15-15-12.  He beat Factory Kawis Marchbanks.  So this doesnt solve what people are mad about. 

Idk what you do

Since they already track lap times and have real time data, they could implement a rule where if a rider’s average lap time after X amount of laps is more than X seconds slower than the average lap time of 1st - 10th, they get this sweet flag and have to exit the race.

the fix is simple but moto is about as resistant to change as it is for boomers to admit they’re wrong.

That percent would have to be adjusted based on track length, most likely, f1 tracks I’m willing to bet are fairly standardized lap times, where in sx we had a 1:20 Daytona lap time and we just had a 0:45 second Indy hockey rink joke lap time, and that’s with insanely rutted conditions and still 0:45 second laps.

Anyway read below, it’s amazing “we’ve gone to the moon level technology.” Or don’t, and stay a stubborn inbred because wHaaT aBoUt tHe pRiVaTeErS, omg my hero’s! 

That’s what I thought . Where were they 

That’s dumb cause it only affects the lead guy. Pull them off before they are lapped. 

Or doing it all the time. I saw the blue flag waving as Hunter, Eli and Webb went through a section with no lappers.

If the blue flag is being waved when it shouldn’t lappers are going to ignore it. 

Mickey Mouse sport. 

I've seen dash for cashes like this and its pretty simple, tweak a a bit for SX

But starting lap 10 or whatever lap, 20th place you get black flagged, next lap 19th place, next lap 18, next lap 17, etc all the way to the checkered. You could use the leader light technology (red) so crowd knew who was about to get flagged.

Comms in riders helmets will help a whole bunch. A mechanic will be able to let his rider know that the leaders are coming and that he needs to safely move to the Left side of the track.

Lappers will then always need to move left regardless of where they are on the track and the leaders will always know that they will be passing to the right side of the lappers.

If the mechanic fails to inform his rider in time then that rider receives a penalty of some kind.

Something needs to be done but black flagging and pulling dudes off is not the answer. 

Or maybe we could think of passing lappers as a skill needed to be a professional?

Yes we could take the inbred route on this.

The mechanics can’t see hardly any of the track from there position. And the ones getting lap (privateers) can’t all pay a spotter to watch for them. The in helmet comms being the magic bullet is way over simplifying it imo. 

AMA just needs to grow a set and give big penalties for interferring. Like suspensions of racing license. 

Nothing happens to these guys so they have no reason to change. 

Until a rider who gets lapped multiple times in every single race, pulls his usual blocking bullshit, and cross jumps a legend of the sport. Go back and watch that idiotic move.

Or, the same person comes to literally a dead stop on the inside line of a corner.