Historic Aircraft from back in the day

Bearuno wrote:

There's a whole bunch of F-111 videos out there, but this ones starting point, got me : F-111s were 'something' that seemed to be an ever present...

There's a whole bunch of F-111 videos out there, but this ones starting point, got me :

 

F-111s were 'something' that seemed to be an ever present  throughout my childhood / youth / and further on.

With my Dad's service - in the Army - I was always aware of Military matters.

The controversy surrounding the F-111s , right up until we finally got them in '73 ( and, at times, onward), was never ending.

Though, they ended up being somewhat beloved. 

But, there's Always controversy with regards to Military purchases.

F35s - "The Joint Strike Fighter" - a more recent one. So much negativity towards their procurement. A mates younger brother, became a F-35 Pilot - a family of high , High Achievers, that excel at near on everything, while being the type of people that you'd love, and never have any untoward feelings about.

We've now got the Nuclear Sub procurement going on - so many of we Australians fear we are going to be F**ked over with it all, and, a fair few don't want them at all. I'm of the former side, but Truly hope I'm wrong. I believe we need them.

There's a brief mention of (serious, and, ongoing) illnesses through fuel tank cleaning - well, I was at the near tail end of that. A few of my Riders / Customers / Mates were in the RAAF, stationed at Richmond Airbase, which is only around 18 miles / 30minutes away from me. When I'd finally got completely jack of both the (local - I now work for a few OS manufacturers, at times) MC and Bicycle Industry, I needed some good supplementary income to go along with my 'Frame and Thing' making. So, my mates , knowing my Engineering qualifications and skills, got me into the maintenance department as a Subby. Somehow, I passed Security Checks, with flying colours....... 😁

And, part of that was cleaning  / re-furbishing fuel tanks in various Aircraft ( not F-111s - the 'Big Boys' ) . Now, I rarely got into the tanks, and, by that time they had brought in far, far better procedures and protection, but, some of my health issues now, come from that time. 

Anyway, the start of that video I've posted, showing The Pigs burial, was a bit jarring, but, at the end, the explanation about the contractual arrangements, and the contamination problems, made it easier to understand.

I loved the Fuel Dump / Burn of the F-111s - saw it many times, and, the showing of that feature being used to 'take away' the Olympic Flame in 2000, was a great thing to be reminded of. 

PS - that belly landing was a doozy!

 

Bearuno wrote:

There's a whole bunch of F-111 videos out there, but this ones starting point, got me : F-111s were 'something' that seemed to be an ever present...

There's a whole bunch of F-111 videos out there, but this ones starting point, got me :

 

F-111s were 'something' that seemed to be an ever present  throughout my childhood / youth / and further on.

With my Dad's service - in the Army - I was always aware of Military matters.

The controversy surrounding the F-111s , right up until we finally got them in '73 ( and, at times, onward), was never ending.

Though, they ended up being somewhat beloved. 

But, there's Always controversy with regards to Military purchases.

F35s - "The Joint Strike Fighter" - a more recent one. So much negativity towards their procurement. A mates younger brother, became a F-35 Pilot - a family of high , High Achievers, that excel at near on everything, while being the type of people that you'd love, and never have any untoward feelings about.

We've now got the Nuclear Sub procurement going on - so many of we Australians fear we are going to be F**ked over with it all, and, a fair few don't want them at all. I'm of the former side, but Truly hope I'm wrong. I believe we need them.

There's a brief mention of (serious, and, ongoing) illnesses through fuel tank cleaning - well, I was at the near tail end of that. A few of my Riders / Customers / Mates were in the RAAF, stationed at Richmond Airbase, which is only around 18 miles / 30minutes away from me. When I'd finally got completely jack of both the (local - I now work for a few OS manufacturers, at times) MC and Bicycle Industry, I needed some good supplementary income to go along with my 'Frame and Thing' making. So, my mates , knowing my Engineering qualifications and skills, got me into the maintenance department as a Subby. Somehow, I passed Security Checks, with flying colours....... 😁

And, part of that was cleaning  / re-furbishing fuel tanks in various Aircraft ( not F-111s - the 'Big Boys' ) . Now, I rarely got into the tanks, and, by that time they had brought in far, far better procedures and protection, but, some of my health issues now, come from that time. 

Anyway, the start of that video I've posted, showing The Pigs burial, was a bit jarring, but, at the end, the explanation about the contractual arrangements, and the contamination problems, made it easier to understand.

I loved the Fuel Dump / Burn of the F-111s - saw it many times, and, the showing of that feature being used to 'take away' the Olympic Flame in 2000, was a great thing to be reminded of. 

PS - that belly landing was a doozy!

 

plowboy wrote:

I know they got the job done but my god they were fuckin' pigs to work on.  🙃

 

Bearuno wrote:

There's a whole bunch of F-111 videos out there, but this ones starting point, got me : F-111s were 'something' that seemed to be an ever present...

There's a whole bunch of F-111 videos out there, but this ones starting point, got me :

 

F-111s were 'something' that seemed to be an ever present  throughout my childhood / youth / and further on.

With my Dad's service - in the Army - I was always aware of Military matters.

The controversy surrounding the F-111s , right up until we finally got them in '73 ( and, at times, onward), was never ending.

Though, they ended up being somewhat beloved. 

But, there's Always controversy with regards to Military purchases.

F35s - "The Joint Strike Fighter" - a more recent one. So much negativity towards their procurement. A mates younger brother, became a F-35 Pilot - a family of high , High Achievers, that excel at near on everything, while being the type of people that you'd love, and never have any untoward feelings about.

We've now got the Nuclear Sub procurement going on - so many of we Australians fear we are going to be F**ked over with it all, and, a fair few don't want them at all. I'm of the former side, but Truly hope I'm wrong. I believe we need them.

There's a brief mention of (serious, and, ongoing) illnesses through fuel tank cleaning - well, I was at the near tail end of that. A few of my Riders / Customers / Mates were in the RAAF, stationed at Richmond Airbase, which is only around 18 miles / 30minutes away from me. When I'd finally got completely jack of both the (local - I now work for a few OS manufacturers, at times) MC and Bicycle Industry, I needed some good supplementary income to go along with my 'Frame and Thing' making. So, my mates , knowing my Engineering qualifications and skills, got me into the maintenance department as a Subby. Somehow, I passed Security Checks, with flying colours....... 😁

And, part of that was cleaning  / re-furbishing fuel tanks in various Aircraft ( not F-111s - the 'Big Boys' ) . Now, I rarely got into the tanks, and, by that time they had brought in far, far better procedures and protection, but, some of my health issues now, come from that time. 

Anyway, the start of that video I've posted, showing The Pigs burial, was a bit jarring, but, at the end, the explanation about the contractual arrangements, and the contamination problems, made it easier to understand.

I loved the Fuel Dump / Burn of the F-111s - saw it many times, and, the showing of that feature being used to 'take away' the Olympic Flame in 2000, was a great thing to be reminded of. 

PS - that belly landing was a doozy!

 

plowboy wrote:

I know they got the job done but my god they were fuckin' pigs to work on.  🙃

 

plowboy wrote:

The F4 was another pos to maintain.  The A10 was fairly easy except for having to swadge every hyd line.  Extreme chafing when that gun fired...

The F4 was another pos to maintain.  The A10 was fairly easy except for having to swadge every hyd line.  Extreme chafing when that gun fired.  The engineering team was decent to work with truth be told.  They fixed what they could.

The C5 took a lot of care but was a mechanics dream.  Proof that lots of room makes shit easy to get to.  The Buff was similar.

The KC135 and old C141 were a mixed bag but still very straight forward.  

I've laid hands on many others but I stand by my original statement...the 111 was a pig for the wrench turners.🙃

TeamGreen wrote:

Working “inside” the C5 tail section 🤣

Oh…and…you act as if the F4 was one big leaky stinky smokey piece of shit? 🤓

TeamGreen wrote:

Working “inside” the C5 tail section 🤣

Oh…and…you act as if the F4 was one big leaky stinky smokey piece of shit? 🤓

plowboy wrote:

I spent many hours in the C-5 tail section.  Got stuck on top one time when the Calivar caught fire.  Spent 4 hours slumped against the...

I spent many hours in the C-5 tail section.  Got stuck on top one time when the Calivar caught fire.  Spent 4 hours slumped against the T-tail waiting for the relief driver to come in from Sacremento.  I had fun on the C-5.

I never met a pneudraulics, engine tech or crew chief that would honestly say that the F-4 or F-111 weren't fucking pigs to keep flying.  

plowboy wrote:

I know they got the job done but my god they were fuckin' pigs to work on.  🙃

 

plowboy wrote:

The F4 was another pos to maintain.  The A10 was fairly easy except for having to swadge every hyd line.  Extreme chafing when that gun fired...

The F4 was another pos to maintain.  The A10 was fairly easy except for having to swadge every hyd line.  Extreme chafing when that gun fired.  The engineering team was decent to work with truth be told.  They fixed what they could.

The C5 took a lot of care but was a mechanics dream.  Proof that lots of room makes shit easy to get to.  The Buff was similar.

The KC135 and old C141 were a mixed bag but still very straight forward.  

I've laid hands on many others but I stand by my original statement...the 111 was a pig for the wrench turners.🙃

TeamGreen wrote:

Working “inside” the C5 tail section 🤣

Oh…and…you act as if the F4 was one big leaky stinky smokey piece of shit? 🤓

plowboy wrote:

The F4 was another pos to maintain.  The A10 was fairly easy except for having to swadge every hyd line.  Extreme chafing when that gun fired...

The F4 was another pos to maintain.  The A10 was fairly easy except for having to swadge every hyd line.  Extreme chafing when that gun fired.  The engineering team was decent to work with truth be told.  They fixed what they could.

The C5 took a lot of care but was a mechanics dream.  Proof that lots of room makes shit easy to get to.  The Buff was similar.

The KC135 and old C141 were a mixed bag but still very straight forward.  

I've laid hands on many others but I stand by my original statement...the 111 was a pig for the wrench turners.🙃

TeamGreen wrote:

Working “inside” the C5 tail section 🤣

Oh…and…you act as if the F4 was one big leaky stinky smokey piece of shit? 🤓

avidchimp wrote:

You keep your whore mouth shut about my beloved Phantom. 😆

TeamGreen wrote:

Tell’em about trying to wash the smell of “hydraulics” off! 🤣

G-man wrote:

Wow, another aircraft I do not remember much about, the F106 Delta Dart. It was one of the first to be flown by computer systems in...

Wow, another aircraft I do not remember much about, the F106 Delta Dart. It was one of the first to be flown by computer systems in 1956! 😳

Its primary mission was to intercept Russian high altitude aircraft from dropping nuclear bombs over the US.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1GDNTjKN7F/

The Convair F-106 Delta Dart was a single-seat, single-engine interceptor aircraft that served as the primary all-weather defense for the United States Air Force from the 1960s through the 1980s. It was a derivative of the F-102 Delta Dagger, but with extensive structural changes and a more powerful engine. The F-106 was capable of speeds exceeding Mach 2 and had a range of 1,500 miles. It was armed with air-to-air missiles and an air-to-air nuclear missile. 

 

TeamGreen wrote:

That Convair wing…I think they built the Hustler, too? That wing in the pic reminds me of the B58 Hustler…the same Delta with a slight roll...

That Convair wing…I think they built the Hustler, too? That wing in the pic reminds me of the B58 Hustler…the same Delta with a slight roll off at the aft-outer-edge that is a design std nowadays. 

TeamGreen wrote:

That Convair wing…I think they built the Hustler, too? That wing in the pic reminds me of the B58 Hustler…the same Delta with a slight roll...

That Convair wing…I think they built the Hustler, too? That wing in the pic reminds me of the B58 Hustler…the same Delta with a slight roll off at the aft-outer-edge that is a design std nowadays. 

TeamGreen wrote:

That Convair wing…I think they built the Hustler, too? That wing in the pic reminds me of the B58 Hustler…the same Delta with a slight roll...

That Convair wing…I think they built the Hustler, too? That wing in the pic reminds me of the B58 Hustler…the same Delta with a slight roll off at the aft-outer-edge that is a design std nowadays. 

SKlein wrote:

Any idea on the intentions behind painting the munitions? Just for demo sake?

G-man wrote:

Joey Bridges wrote:

This is an awesome book detailing his mission. And a great triple bio of three of our greatest American flyers.Especially Charles Lindbergh after his Atlantic flight.

This is an awesome book detailing his mission. 

And a great triple bio of three of our greatest American flyers.

Especially Charles Lindbergh after his Atlantic flight.

TeamGreen wrote:

Sometimes it was done to monitor the aero-dynamics/attitude as it flew through the sky. They film the release/drop/trajectory and measure the movement and attitude of the...

Sometimes it was done to monitor the aero-dynamics/attitude as it flew through the sky. They film the release/drop/trajectory and measure the movement and attitude of the bomb during its flt…sometimes all the way to impact.

The yellow-red-white paint and lines on the larger one looks like it’s for that purpose. 

The huge silver one is truncated…weird. 

G-man wrote:

Wow, another aircraft I do not remember much about, the F106 Delta Dart. It was one of the first to be flown by computer systems in...

Wow, another aircraft I do not remember much about, the F106 Delta Dart. It was one of the first to be flown by computer systems in 1956! 😳

Its primary mission was to intercept Russian high altitude aircraft from dropping nuclear bombs over the US.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1GDNTjKN7F/

The Convair F-106 Delta Dart was a single-seat, single-engine interceptor aircraft that served as the primary all-weather defense for the United States Air Force from the 1960s through the 1980s. It was a derivative of the F-102 Delta Dagger, but with extensive structural changes and a more powerful engine. The F-106 was capable of speeds exceeding Mach 2 and had a range of 1,500 miles. It was armed with air-to-air missiles and an air-to-air nuclear missile. 

 

TeamGreen wrote:

Sometimes it was done to monitor the aero-dynamics/attitude as it flew through the sky. They film the release/drop/trajectory and measure the movement and attitude of the...

Sometimes it was done to monitor the aero-dynamics/attitude as it flew through the sky. They film the release/drop/trajectory and measure the movement and attitude of the bomb during its flt…sometimes all the way to impact.

The yellow-red-white paint and lines on the larger one looks like it’s for that purpose. 

The huge silver one is truncated…weird. 

plowboy wrote:

Is that big silver one an external full tank?We had to install high speed cameras aimed at all the deployable munitions just to verify they'd clear...

Is that big silver one an external full tank?

We had to install high speed cameras aimed at all the deployable munitions just to verify they'd clear structure and not spin/flip or silly stuff like that.  Things that look good on paper...🙃

plowboy wrote:

I know they got the job done but my god they were fuckin' pigs to work on.  🙃

 

plowboy wrote:

I know they got the job done but my god they were fuckin' pigs to work on.  🙃

 

Bearuno wrote:

I wonder if that's the reason they were called 'Pigs' here?I had a few RAAFie's buy / race my DH bikes , but haven't kept up...

I wonder if that's the reason they were called 'Pigs' here?

I had a few RAAFie's buy / race my DH bikes , but haven't kept up with them. I've become a bit of a Hermit.

I think I'll try to contact "Colonel' Sanders ( not a Colonel - but when your surname is that, well, the 'Colonel' is inevitable with the way we go by nicknames here in OZ ) to ask him why "The Pig". A Great bloke, who still is riding / posting pictures of one of my DH bikes, that he still rides, near on 3 decades later. 

plowboy wrote:

I know they got the job done but my god they were fuckin' pigs to work on.  🙃

 

Bearuno wrote:

I wonder if that's the reason they were called 'Pigs' here?I had a few RAAFie's buy / race my DH bikes , but haven't kept up...

I wonder if that's the reason they were called 'Pigs' here?

I had a few RAAFie's buy / race my DH bikes , but haven't kept up with them. I've become a bit of a Hermit.

I think I'll try to contact "Colonel' Sanders ( not a Colonel - but when your surname is that, well, the 'Colonel' is inevitable with the way we go by nicknames here in OZ ) to ask him why "The Pig". A Great bloke, who still is riding / posting pictures of one of my DH bikes, that he still rides, near on 3 decades later. 

plowboy wrote:

The 111 was really good at what it did.  When the USAF had plenty of manpower and budget it wasn't that hard to keep it maintained...

The 111 was really good at what it did.  When the USAF had plenty of manpower and budget it wasn't that hard to keep it maintained and flying.  Sadly, "More with less" became the military mantra and the heavy "cost per flying hour" spelled death for the Aardvark.  

G-man wrote:

The Flying Pancake.... 😲

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1QJMaqhrVr/

 

Joey Bridges wrote:

Joey Bridges wrote:

r_outsider wrote:

That thing looks sketchy as hell!

TeamGreen wrote:

While we’re here…and talking about Phantoms, Warthogs, Galaxies, Delta Darts & Daggers, Hustlers and Aardvarks…Something that’s changed…notably as the Super Hornet and later birds came on...

While we’re here…and talking about Phantoms, Warthogs, Galaxies, Delta Darts & Daggers, Hustlers and Aardvarks…

Something that’s changed…notably as the Super Hornet and later birds came on line…and this is…

Funny; but, true!

Stains. 

Stains on the ground…on the ramp…in the hangar…on the deck…

Oil/Fluid stains. 🤣

What I’m saying is the new birds aren’t like the leaky old birds. 😎

Joey Bridges wrote:

r_outsider wrote:

That thing looks sketchy as hell!

Joey Bridges wrote:

Yeager flew chase on its only flight.Pretty sure they fired it up, and went right down and landed it.Crazy some of the things that were brought...

Yeager flew chase on its only flight.

Pretty sure they fired it up, and went right down and landed it.

Crazy some of the things that were brought out for them to test. 

Sully wrote:

That old Discovery Channel show Wings featured this plane in an episode; sketchy is an understatement. During one of the attempts to trap with the bomber...

That old Discovery Channel show Wings featured this plane in an episode; sketchy is an understatement. During one of the attempts to trap with the bomber, the Goblin* hit an updraft and smashed the canopy into the trapeze bar. Luckily the pilot wasn't hurt, but the canopy glass was toast. 

*Edited to correct the name of the aircraft; it's Goblin, not Gremlin.