Prado is inviting for dinner

GrapeApe wrote:

So he stuck his fingers in his ears and stomped his feet while screaming like a petulant child until he got what he wanted. I can...

So he stuck his fingers in his ears and stomped his feet while screaming like a petulant child until he got what he wanted. I can see why you're such a big fan, you must be so proud.

DonM wrote:

Now it's an American thing because we can't understand European bluntness...but yet we are the ones being blunt and not making excuses like these clowns....the dude...

Now it's an American thing because we can't understand European bluntness...but yet we are the ones being blunt and not making excuses like these clowns....the dude quit, he put it all on the team and bike as we all know there is no possible way Jorge has any fault "especially knowing his capabilities" I'm out enjoy the fight with these 🤡 🤡

RG437 wrote:

And according to you there is no possible way that the team has any fault, despite a rider being willing to give up $6M+ to get...

And according to you there is no possible way that the team has any fault, despite a rider being willing to give up $6M+ to get off the team and the long history of riders struggling on Kawi world wide and the massive changes made to the bike from last year to this year. 

Mind blowing stubbornness and stupidity 

GrapeApe wrote:

So he stuck his fingers in his ears and stomped his feet while screaming like a petulant child until he got what he wanted. I can...

So he stuck his fingers in his ears and stomped his feet while screaming like a petulant child until he got what he wanted. I can see why you're such a big fan, you must be so proud.

DonM wrote:

Now it's an American thing because we can't understand European bluntness...but yet we are the ones being blunt and not making excuses like these clowns....the dude...

Now it's an American thing because we can't understand European bluntness...but yet we are the ones being blunt and not making excuses like these clowns....the dude quit, he put it all on the team and bike as we all know there is no possible way Jorge has any fault "especially knowing his capabilities" I'm out enjoy the fight with these 🤡 🤡

RG437 wrote:

And according to you there is no possible way that the team has any fault, despite a rider being willing to give up $6M+ to get...

And according to you there is no possible way that the team has any fault, despite a rider being willing to give up $6M+ to get off the team and the long history of riders struggling on Kawi world wide and the massive changes made to the bike from last year to this year. 

Mind blowing stubbornness and stupidity 

30minmotos wrote:

You’ll never convince them just give up lolIf Prado had lied, and gave everyone canned , generic answers, nobody would care. Americans cannot handle euro style...

You’ll never convince them just give up lol

If Prado had lied, and gave everyone canned , generic answers, nobody would care. Americans cannot handle euro style honesty and blunt delivery.

If he got on the camera and said, we’re gonna go to work, we’re working on things since my injury, new team, new bike, new tracks, we’ll keep working, and thanks monster energy Kawasaki,

Everyone would be fine with him, but he’d still be on a bike and team he hated. He did exactly what he needed to do…

GrapeApe wrote:

So he stuck his fingers in his ears and stomped his feet while screaming like a petulant child until he got what he wanted. I can...

So he stuck his fingers in his ears and stomped his feet while screaming like a petulant child until he got what he wanted. I can see why you're such a big fan, you must be so proud.

UpTiTe wrote:

I’m not sticking up for him, but he wanted a change so bad that he gave up 3 million a year from Kawasaki, and 1 million...

I’m not sticking up for him, but he wanted a change so bad that he gave up 3 million a year from Kawasaki, and 1 million a year from Fox. 

 There must of been some reason for it. 

30minmotos wrote:

Explain the podium at a1? Explain the heat wins? Explain the qualifying times?

Doesn’t this solve the debate?

But no you know better…. Wahhhhhhh.

30minmotos wrote:

Explain the podium at a1? Explain the heat wins? Explain the qualifying times?

Doesn’t this solve the debate?

But no you know better…. Wahhhhhhh.

DonM wrote:

Now it's an American thing because we can't understand European bluntness...but yet we are the ones being blunt and not making excuses like these clowns....the dude...

Now it's an American thing because we can't understand European bluntness...but yet we are the ones being blunt and not making excuses like these clowns....the dude quit, he put it all on the team and bike as we all know there is no possible way Jorge has any fault "especially knowing his capabilities" I'm out enjoy the fight with these 🤡 🤡

RG437 wrote:

And according to you there is no possible way that the team has any fault, despite a rider being willing to give up $6M+ to get...

And according to you there is no possible way that the team has any fault, despite a rider being willing to give up $6M+ to get off the team and the long history of riders struggling on Kawi world wide and the massive changes made to the bike from last year to this year. 

Mind blowing stubbornness and stupidity 

DonM wrote:

With your mind blowing stubbornness and stupidity please show me where I said the team doesn't have any fault....in fact I have been very critical of...

With your mind blowing stubbornness and stupidity please show me where I said the team doesn't have any fault....in fact I have been very critical of them for their stance on MXDN, I'm personally not a fan of Bruce S as I had some run ins with him back in the watercraft racing days, so I'm far from a Kawi fan....I certainly haven't seen or heard any other contracted Kawi riders purposely try not to qualify for a race and with your assessment of Kawi I am shocked that any rider would ever ride for them, but yet there they are having no public issues with any other riders.... and your $6mil estimate is more than double the actual amount...have a nice day...I'm out....

30minmotos wrote:

You’ll never convince them just give up lolIf Prado had lied, and gave everyone canned , generic answers, nobody would care. Americans cannot handle euro style...

You’ll never convince them just give up lol

If Prado had lied, and gave everyone canned , generic answers, nobody would care. Americans cannot handle euro style honesty and blunt delivery.

If he got on the camera and said, we’re gonna go to work, we’re working on things since my injury, new team, new bike, new tracks, we’ll keep working, and thanks monster energy Kawasaki,

Everyone would be fine with him, but he’d still be on a bike and team he hated. He did exactly what he needed to do…

GrapeApe wrote:

So he stuck his fingers in his ears and stomped his feet while screaming like a petulant child until he got what he wanted. I can...

So he stuck his fingers in his ears and stomped his feet while screaming like a petulant child until he got what he wanted. I can see why you're such a big fan, you must be so proud.

UpTiTe wrote:

I’m not sticking up for him, but he wanted a change so bad that he gave up 3 million a year from Kawasaki, and 1 million...

I’m not sticking up for him, but he wanted a change so bad that he gave up 3 million a year from Kawasaki, and 1 million a year from Fox. 

 There must of been some reason for it. 

RG437 wrote:

And according to you there is no possible way that the team has any fault, despite a rider being willing to give up $6M+ to get...

And according to you there is no possible way that the team has any fault, despite a rider being willing to give up $6M+ to get off the team and the long history of riders struggling on Kawi world wide and the massive changes made to the bike from last year to this year. 

Mind blowing stubbornness and stupidity 

DonM wrote:

With your mind blowing stubbornness and stupidity please show me where I said the team doesn't have any fault....in fact I have been very critical of...

With your mind blowing stubbornness and stupidity please show me where I said the team doesn't have any fault....in fact I have been very critical of them for their stance on MXDN, I'm personally not a fan of Bruce S as I had some run ins with him back in the watercraft racing days, so I'm far from a Kawi fan....I certainly haven't seen or heard any other contracted Kawi riders purposely try not to qualify for a race and with your assessment of Kawi I am shocked that any rider would ever ride for them, but yet there they are having no public issues with any other riders.... and your $6mil estimate is more than double the actual amount...have a nice day...I'm out....

RG437 wrote:

He had a 3+1 year deal that he was a year into and between Kawi and Monster he gave up close to 2M a year. He had...

He had a 3+1 year deal that he was a year into and between Kawi and Monster he gave up close to 2M a year. 

He had all the incentive in the world to make it work and the situation was still bad enough that he needed to take the financial and reputational hit required to get out. 

Sexton was on KTM last year, wasn’t talking to team management by the end of SX, took the first available off-ramp to avoid racing outdoors, twice. Nobody is still judging him for that. Webb quit on KTM before the end of Outdoors and was on a Yamaha by SMX. They are different versions of the same thing, nobody calls them quitters, or continues to question their character after the fact, and rightly so, because sometimes things don’t work out, and athletes have to act to protect their career. It doesn’t make them bad people, they’re just doing what they have to do 

 

DonM wrote:

With your mind blowing stubbornness and stupidity please show me where I said the team doesn't have any fault....in fact I have been very critical of...

With your mind blowing stubbornness and stupidity please show me where I said the team doesn't have any fault....in fact I have been very critical of them for their stance on MXDN, I'm personally not a fan of Bruce S as I had some run ins with him back in the watercraft racing days, so I'm far from a Kawi fan....I certainly haven't seen or heard any other contracted Kawi riders purposely try not to qualify for a race and with your assessment of Kawi I am shocked that any rider would ever ride for them, but yet there they are having no public issues with any other riders.... and your $6mil estimate is more than double the actual amount...have a nice day...I'm out....

RG437 wrote:

He had a 3+1 year deal that he was a year into and between Kawi and Monster he gave up close to 2M a year. He had...

He had a 3+1 year deal that he was a year into and between Kawi and Monster he gave up close to 2M a year. 

He had all the incentive in the world to make it work and the situation was still bad enough that he needed to take the financial and reputational hit required to get out. 

Sexton was on KTM last year, wasn’t talking to team management by the end of SX, took the first available off-ramp to avoid racing outdoors, twice. Nobody is still judging him for that. Webb quit on KTM before the end of Outdoors and was on a Yamaha by SMX. They are different versions of the same thing, nobody calls them quitters, or continues to question their character after the fact, and rightly so, because sometimes things don’t work out, and athletes have to act to protect their career. It doesn’t make them bad people, they’re just doing what they have to do 

 

Jkawi wrote:

What is his KTM contract? Amount? How long?

DonM wrote:

With your mind blowing stubbornness and stupidity please show me where I said the team doesn't have any fault....in fact I have been very critical of...

With your mind blowing stubbornness and stupidity please show me where I said the team doesn't have any fault....in fact I have been very critical of them for their stance on MXDN, I'm personally not a fan of Bruce S as I had some run ins with him back in the watercraft racing days, so I'm far from a Kawi fan....I certainly haven't seen or heard any other contracted Kawi riders purposely try not to qualify for a race and with your assessment of Kawi I am shocked that any rider would ever ride for them, but yet there they are having no public issues with any other riders.... and your $6mil estimate is more than double the actual amount...have a nice day...I'm out....

RG437 wrote:

He had a 3+1 year deal that he was a year into and between Kawi and Monster he gave up close to 2M a year. He had...

He had a 3+1 year deal that he was a year into and between Kawi and Monster he gave up close to 2M a year. 

He had all the incentive in the world to make it work and the situation was still bad enough that he needed to take the financial and reputational hit required to get out. 

Sexton was on KTM last year, wasn’t talking to team management by the end of SX, took the first available off-ramp to avoid racing outdoors, twice. Nobody is still judging him for that. Webb quit on KTM before the end of Outdoors and was on a Yamaha by SMX. They are different versions of the same thing, nobody calls them quitters, or continues to question their character after the fact, and rightly so, because sometimes things don’t work out, and athletes have to act to protect their career. It doesn’t make them bad people, they’re just doing what they have to do 

 

Jkawi wrote:

What is his KTM contract? Amount? How long?

RG437 wrote:

He had a 3+1 year deal that he was a year into and between Kawi and Monster he gave up close to 2M a year. He had...

He had a 3+1 year deal that he was a year into and between Kawi and Monster he gave up close to 2M a year. 

He had all the incentive in the world to make it work and the situation was still bad enough that he needed to take the financial and reputational hit required to get out. 

Sexton was on KTM last year, wasn’t talking to team management by the end of SX, took the first available off-ramp to avoid racing outdoors, twice. Nobody is still judging him for that. Webb quit on KTM before the end of Outdoors and was on a Yamaha by SMX. They are different versions of the same thing, nobody calls them quitters, or continues to question their character after the fact, and rightly so, because sometimes things don’t work out, and athletes have to act to protect their career. It doesn’t make them bad people, they’re just doing what they have to do 

 

Jkawi wrote:

What is his KTM contract? Amount? How long?

RG437 wrote:

It’s 2 years, and 75% less base pay 

Jkawi wrote:

Weird, can't find any values for his kawi deal or his ktm deal.

30minmotos wrote:

Explain the podium at a1? Explain the heat wins? Explain the qualifying times?

Doesn’t this solve the debate?

But no you know better…. Wahhhhhhh.

DonM wrote:

What the fuck do those results have to do with him quitting....you don't even understand the debate...it's never been about his speed...just his character...

30minmotos wrote:

Explain the podium at a1? Explain the heat wins? Explain the qualifying times?

Doesn’t this solve the debate?

But no you know better…. Wahhhhhhh.

DonM wrote:

What the fuck do those results have to do with him quitting....you don't even understand the debate...it's never been about his speed...just his character...

30minmotos wrote:

It’s been spelled out over and over already, no problem, root for whoever you want brah!

DonM wrote:

Spell it for me....I want to see you make a fool of yourself...

Jkawi wrote:

Weird, can't find any values for his kawi deal or his ktm deal.

RG437 wrote:

JT and Lewis discussed it in a thread a couple of weeks back. It was reported when the deal first became apparent that if he was...

JT and Lewis discussed it in a thread a couple of weeks back. It was reported when the deal first became apparent that if he was to go back to KTM he would have to take a massive pay cut

DonM wrote:

Spell it for me....I want to see you make a fool of yourself...

30minmotos wrote:

I already did, maybe read the thread again. 

Jkawi wrote:

Weird, can't find any values for his kawi deal or his ktm deal.

RG437 wrote:

JT and Lewis discussed it in a thread a couple of weeks back. It was reported when the deal first became apparent that if he was...

JT and Lewis discussed it in a thread a couple of weeks back. It was reported when the deal first became apparent that if he was to go back to KTM he would have to take a massive pay cut

Jkawi wrote:

Yep. Well that sucks, but i think probably fair after you show yourself to be a contract liability. Quite honestly, I think this will be a...

Yep. Well that sucks, but i think probably fair after you show yourself to be a contract liability. Quite honestly, I think this will be a factor for the rest of his career with any brand now. Bottom line, he probably shouldn't have signed that piece of paper with Kawi.

DonM wrote:

Spell it for me....I want to see you make a fool of yourself...

30minmotos wrote:

I already did, maybe read the thread again. 

DonM wrote:

Somehow you think this has to do with his speed and skill....it has zero to do with that...he has elite speed...just so you know you can...

Somehow you think this has to do with his speed and skill....it has zero to do with that...he has elite speed...just so you know you can be extremely fast and still act without character....He's like Deegan... 

DonM wrote:

My assessment hasn't changed...he a fast talented rider who is a complete ass for how he handled himself last year...has nothing to do with speed or...

My assessment hasn't changed...he a fast talented rider who is a complete ass for how he handled himself last year...has nothing to do with speed or talent and has everything to do with personality and actions....find it hard to believe that apologists fail to understand that and think that those that are critical of him are being critical of his talent when in reality its all about how he handled himself last year...

Motofinne wrote:

The issue is that most of the people that are critical towards him and last year completely disregard the other part of the story with Kawasaki...

The issue is that most of the people that are critical towards him and last year completely disregard the other part of the story with Kawasaki not doing "everything they could" for him etc. Kawasaki failed Prado just as much as Prado failed them.

DonM wrote:

You are also disregarding the fact that Kawi never publicly said anything dispariging about Prado and continued to put 100% effort into trying to get the...

You are also disregarding the fact that Kawi never publicly said anything dispariging about Prado and continued to put 100% effort into trying to get the bike to his liking (whether they are capable or not doesn't matter). while at the same time Prado was complaining publicly about the team and bike....the final straw was his attempt to purposely not qualify.... I get it, he didn't gel with the bike and was never comfortable on it and wanted out of his contract....but there are way better ways to do that behind the scenes, out of the public eye without damaging either party...but he chose to make it public, he chose to try to not qualify...he chose the path it went down and that is why I lost respect for him although I consider him to be one of the elites when it comes to talent on a motorcycle his charachter  is what is questionable....

Motofinne wrote:

The issue is that most of the people that are critical towards him and last year completely disregard the other part of the story with Kawasaki...

The issue is that most of the people that are critical towards him and last year completely disregard the other part of the story with Kawasaki not doing "everything they could" for him etc. Kawasaki failed Prado just as much as Prado failed them.

DonM wrote:

You are also disregarding the fact that Kawi never publicly said anything dispariging about Prado and continued to put 100% effort into trying to get the...

You are also disregarding the fact that Kawi never publicly said anything dispariging about Prado and continued to put 100% effort into trying to get the bike to his liking (whether they are capable or not doesn't matter). while at the same time Prado was complaining publicly about the team and bike....the final straw was his attempt to purposely not qualify.... I get it, he didn't gel with the bike and was never comfortable on it and wanted out of his contract....but there are way better ways to do that behind the scenes, out of the public eye without damaging either party...but he chose to make it public, he chose to try to not qualify...he chose the path it went down and that is why I lost respect for him although I consider him to be one of the elites when it comes to talent on a motorcycle his charachter  is what is questionable....

aees wrote:

They didn't put 100% into it. They put 50% into it.The proof of that, is in the bike today and a really poor excuse that the...

They didn't put 100% into it. They put 50% into it.

The proof of that, is in the bike today and a really poor excuse that the bike was good when Villo rode it. Why change, when it worked 10 years ago.

 

DonM wrote:

That's an opinion (yours) not fact....in reality you have no idea what effort they put in...you want to believe that so you can feel better about...

That's an opinion (yours) not fact....in reality you have no idea what effort they put in...you want to believe that so you can feel better about your girl Georgia....

DonM wrote:

You are also disregarding the fact that Kawi never publicly said anything dispariging about Prado and continued to put 100% effort into trying to get the...

You are also disregarding the fact that Kawi never publicly said anything dispariging about Prado and continued to put 100% effort into trying to get the bike to his liking (whether they are capable or not doesn't matter). while at the same time Prado was complaining publicly about the team and bike....the final straw was his attempt to purposely not qualify.... I get it, he didn't gel with the bike and was never comfortable on it and wanted out of his contract....but there are way better ways to do that behind the scenes, out of the public eye without damaging either party...but he chose to make it public, he chose to try to not qualify...he chose the path it went down and that is why I lost respect for him although I consider him to be one of the elites when it comes to talent on a motorcycle his charachter  is what is questionable....

aees wrote:

They didn't put 100% into it. They put 50% into it.The proof of that, is in the bike today and a really poor excuse that the...

They didn't put 100% into it. They put 50% into it.

The proof of that, is in the bike today and a really poor excuse that the bike was good when Villo rode it. Why change, when it worked 10 years ago.

 

DonM wrote:

That's an opinion (yours) not fact....in reality you have no idea what effort they put in...you want to believe that so you can feel better about...

That's an opinion (yours) not fact....in reality you have no idea what effort they put in...you want to believe that so you can feel better about your girl Georgia....

Jkawi wrote:

What is his KTM contract? Amount? How long?

RG437 wrote:

It’s 2 years, and 75% less base pay 

Jkawi wrote:

Weird, can't find any values for his kawi deal or his ktm deal.

DonM wrote:

That's an opinion (yours) not fact....in reality you have no idea what effort they put in...you want to believe that so you can feel better about...

That's an opinion (yours) not fact....in reality you have no idea what effort they put in...you want to believe that so you can feel better about your girl Georgia....

MXMattii wrote:

What about Sexton, never heard you say a thing about him. He was also en employee that didn't gave 100% anymore...Weird how foreigners get to live...

What about Sexton, never heard you say a thing about him. He was also en employee that didn't gave 100% anymore...

Weird how foreigners get to live to another standard. 

The Wolf Man wrote:

Not to mention the amount of times Cooper Webb has shown up out of shape for the season and either not bothered with outdoors at all...

Not to mention the amount of times Cooper Webb has shown up out of shape for the season and either not bothered with outdoors at all or bailed at the first opportunity...