Bruce has something to say

SCYRacing wrote:

Do the lyrics mention anything about all of the US citizens killed by migrants? 🤔

Not listening but I doubt it

SCYRacing wrote:

Do the lyrics mention anything about all of the US citizens killed by migrants? 🤔

Not listening but I doubt it

lumpy790 wrote:

Please enlighten us on those numbers and year range your using and also post the US citizens that had committed murders during that same timeframe. 

SCYRacing wrote:

Do the lyrics mention anything about all of the US citizens killed by migrants? 🤔

Not listening but I doubt it

lumpy790 wrote:

Please enlighten us on those numbers and year range your using and also post the US citizens that had committed murders during that same timeframe. 

lumpy790 wrote:

Got it ....  So you are saying ice should only be attacking all people of color in Texas because that's the only numbers you are looking...

Got it ....  So you are saying ice should only be attacking all people of color in Texas because that's the only numbers you are looking at. 

interesting concept wonder why ice is not doing that? Because its a Red not a Blue state?

 

lumpy790 wrote:

Got it ....  So you are saying ice should only be attacking all people of color in Texas because that's the only numbers you are looking...

Got it ....  So you are saying ice should only be attacking all people of color in Texas because that's the only numbers you are looking at. 

interesting concept wonder why ice is not doing that? Because its a Red not a Blue state?

 

SKlein wrote:

I wasn't arguing any side of the matter, I provided numbers that you inquired about. If you don't like what's provided you're welcome to do your...

I wasn't arguing any side of the matter, I provided numbers that you inquired about. If you don't like what's provided you're welcome to do your own research. Believe it or not, I can't control what states do/don't perform studies on this specific situation.

R66 wrote:

Your graph is not relevant. It’s for 2013-2022. Do you have one that shows through 2025? We have a lot more illegal immigrants now days. 

McG194 wrote:

I can't wait to not listen to it. 

Sandberm656 wrote:

Bruce Dern. Now this is some fine acting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVb7NirJtCQ

lumpy790 wrote:

Thank you posting this link it has some good numbers from 15 years over 2011-2025. Where did that immigrant population graph come from because its not part...

Thank you posting this link it has some good numbers from 15 years over 2011-2025. 

Where did that immigrant population graph come from because its not part of the link.

 

According to DHS status indicators, over 466,000 criminal noncitizens have been booked into local Texas jails between June 1, 2011, and December 31, 2025, of which over 335,000 were classified as illegal noncitizens by DHS.

Between June 1, 2011, and December 31, 2025, these 335,000 illegal noncitizens were charged with more than 595,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 1,112 homicide charges; 77,843 assault charges; 10,531 burglary charges; 69,608 drug charges; 1,515 kidnapping charges; 30,291 theft charges; 47,034 obstructing police charges; 3,382 robbery charges; 7,608 sexual assault charges; 8,647 sexual offense charges; and 7,543 weapon charges.  DPS criminal history records reflect those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 222,000 convictions including 590 homicide convictions; 28,920 assault convictions; 5,413 burglary convictions; 28,614 drug convictions; 435 kidnapping convictions; 11,489 theft convictions; 18,153 obstructing police convictions; 1,973 robbery convictions; 3,808 sexual assault convictions; 3,923 sexual offense convictions; and 2,462 weapon convictions. 

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These figures only count individuals who previously had an encounter with DHS that resulted in their fingerprints being entered into the DHS IDENT database.  Foreign nationals who enter the country illegally and avoid detection by DHS but are later arrested by local or state law enforcement for a state offense will not have a DHS response in regard to their lawful status and do not appear in these counts.  However, in addition to the Secure Communities program, DHS actively adjudicates the immigration status of individuals incarcerated in the Texas prison system.  From 2011 to date, the Department of Criminal Justice (TDCJ) has provided DPS with information on more than 34,000 individuals who were identified by DHS as in the country illegally while they were incarcerated at TDCJ.  11,000 of these individuals were not identified through the Secure Communities program at the time of their arrest.  DPS does not know the current incarceration status of the individuals identified while they were incarcerated nor when their noncitizen status was initially determined.

Lawful Presence Determined While Incarcerated at TDCJ

Between June 1, 2011 and December 31, 2025, these 11,000 individual identified as illegal noncitizens while in prison, but who were not previously identified through Secure Communities, were charged with more than 11,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 154 homicide charges; 1,551 assault charges; 616 burglary charges; 2,021 drug charges; 71 kidnapping charges; 564 theft charges; 1,114 obstructing police charges; 457 robbery charges; 987 sexual assault charges; 480 sexual offense charges; and 287 weapon charges.  DPS criminal history records reflect those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 6,000 convictions including 118 homicide convictions; 906 assault convictions; 387 burglary convictions; 1,112 drug convictions; 40 kidnapping convictions; 305 theft convictions; 493 obstructing police convictions; 335 robbery convictions; 723 sexual assault convictions; 344 sexual offense convictions; and 115 weapon convictions. 

 

APLMAN99 wrote:

He may have had good intentions with this song, but it’s not going to be a classic piece of social commentary like The Ghost of Tom...

He may have had good intentions with this song, but it’s not going to be a classic piece of social commentary like The Ghost of Tom Joad is/was, that’s for sure. 

APLMAN99 wrote:

He may have had good intentions with this song, but it’s not going to be a classic piece of social commentary like The Ghost of Tom...

He may have had good intentions with this song, but it’s not going to be a classic piece of social commentary like The Ghost of Tom Joad is/was, that’s for sure. 

Vet57 wrote:

R66 wrote:

Your graph is not relevant. It’s for 2013-2022. Do you have one that shows through 2025? We have a lot more illegal immigrants now days. 

SKlein wrote:

Not relevant to you perhaps, but I'd rather have long-term data baselines than nothing at all. It's a ~3m jump, but we don't know how much...

Not relevant to you perhaps, but I'd rather have long-term data baselines than nothing at all. It's a ~3m jump, but we don't know how much that skews the crime rates because the data doesn't seem to exist yet.

"There is no publicly released annual per-capita homicide rate by immigration status for 2023–2025 from the Texas DPS (or any state). While the DPS does have updated arrest and conviction counts through 2025, those data have not yet been processed into standardized rate estimates (per 100,000 by group) in a publicly cited academic or policy analysis."

https://www.dps.texas.gov/section/crime-records/texas-criminal-illegal-noncitizen-data?utm_source=chatgpt.com

lumpy790 wrote:

Thank you posting this link it has some good numbers from 15 years over 2011-2025. Where did that immigrant population graph come from because its not part...

Thank you posting this link it has some good numbers from 15 years over 2011-2025. 

Where did that immigrant population graph come from because its not part of the link.

 

According to DHS status indicators, over 466,000 criminal noncitizens have been booked into local Texas jails between June 1, 2011, and December 31, 2025, of which over 335,000 were classified as illegal noncitizens by DHS.

Between June 1, 2011, and December 31, 2025, these 335,000 illegal noncitizens were charged with more than 595,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 1,112 homicide charges; 77,843 assault charges; 10,531 burglary charges; 69,608 drug charges; 1,515 kidnapping charges; 30,291 theft charges; 47,034 obstructing police charges; 3,382 robbery charges; 7,608 sexual assault charges; 8,647 sexual offense charges; and 7,543 weapon charges.  DPS criminal history records reflect those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 222,000 convictions including 590 homicide convictions; 28,920 assault convictions; 5,413 burglary convictions; 28,614 drug convictions; 435 kidnapping convictions; 11,489 theft convictions; 18,153 obstructing police convictions; 1,973 robbery convictions; 3,808 sexual assault convictions; 3,923 sexual offense convictions; and 2,462 weapon convictions. 

Enlarge chart

These figures only count individuals who previously had an encounter with DHS that resulted in their fingerprints being entered into the DHS IDENT database.  Foreign nationals who enter the country illegally and avoid detection by DHS but are later arrested by local or state law enforcement for a state offense will not have a DHS response in regard to their lawful status and do not appear in these counts.  However, in addition to the Secure Communities program, DHS actively adjudicates the immigration status of individuals incarcerated in the Texas prison system.  From 2011 to date, the Department of Criminal Justice (TDCJ) has provided DPS with information on more than 34,000 individuals who were identified by DHS as in the country illegally while they were incarcerated at TDCJ.  11,000 of these individuals were not identified through the Secure Communities program at the time of their arrest.  DPS does not know the current incarceration status of the individuals identified while they were incarcerated nor when their noncitizen status was initially determined.

Lawful Presence Determined While Incarcerated at TDCJ

Between June 1, 2011 and December 31, 2025, these 11,000 individual identified as illegal noncitizens while in prison, but who were not previously identified through Secure Communities, were charged with more than 11,000 criminal offenses which included arrests for 154 homicide charges; 1,551 assault charges; 616 burglary charges; 2,021 drug charges; 71 kidnapping charges; 564 theft charges; 1,114 obstructing police charges; 457 robbery charges; 987 sexual assault charges; 480 sexual offense charges; and 287 weapon charges.  DPS criminal history records reflect those criminal charges have thus far resulted in over 6,000 convictions including 118 homicide convictions; 906 assault convictions; 387 burglary convictions; 1,112 drug convictions; 40 kidnapping convictions; 305 theft convictions; 493 obstructing police convictions; 335 robbery convictions; 723 sexual assault convictions; 344 sexual offense convictions; and 115 weapon convictions.