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27.6 Gs is a pretty standard amount of force for a MotoGP style high-side.
The devastating impacts are north of 100 Gs. A sudden and immediate stop. Usually the ones involving the head, neck and extremities.
MotoGP style injuries to internal organs and the torso are just not that common in motocross. Maybe desert racing and Dakar, where speed and forward momentum is largely at play.
Justin Barcia did not walk away from that crash without a serious injury. That is all I am trying to impress upon people, which is clearly ineffective.
We seem to be completely and totally dismissive of the seriousness of concussions, which is historically par for the course with this crowd.
Nobody is talking about his concussion (nor ignoring it or down playing it) because its completely unrelated to potential injuries prevented or lessened by the chest protector.
We understand he got a concussion. He landed on his head then body slammed. This thread is soley about the body slam. Not that he lawn darted right onto his head. If the headline read "He did not suffer mid body substantial injury, however did have a concussion." Would that have sounded better to you?
It’s not Alpinestars’ place to comment what did/didn’t happen in an area where their product is not being used. No helmet company would acknowledge what happened to a rider’s leg in a crash. No boot company would comment about what happened to their ribs. This is not the standard in this industry or any other industry. A company’s focus is on their own products, just like Alpinestars focused on what their product did.
Right. I think most understand that concept except those arguing this pieces inability to prevent/lessen potential injuries.
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"We seem to be completely and totally dismissive of the seriousness of concussions, which is historically par for the course with this crowd."
Yes, he walked away with a head injury. No one is dismissing that concussions are not serious.
You're the one who is being completely and totally dismissive that his concussion was not related to the Tech-Air vest he was wearing.
The product is not designed to protect riders from head injuries.
The seperation between a helmet and the Tech-Air vest, and the function of what each piece of equipment is designed to protect, is for whatever reason, completely lost with you.
27.6 G would put it among the highest impacts ever recorded for a MotoGP crash.
Marquez destroyed his arm after a 26 G monster highside.
Can't recall anything higher than Baz 29.9 G 290 km/h crash.
26 Gs recorded as "Contact between bike and right arm." I don't even know why they bothered to release that data. It is also unremarkable, if not plain stupid.
Great for PR, obviously.
Yeah we shouldn’t look to the pro’s performance choices to determine safety choices.
The technology is clear. The path forward is clear. And yet the knuckle daggers continue to argue because they have to be right about some pointless semantics.
The future is airbags baby
I had been wearing neck braces religiously for 15 years before switching to the tech air. I have one ride in it and it's not too bad. If anything, I'd say riding in a neck brace and chest pro is way more hot and uncomfortable than the Tech Air.
Well said Mav. I wish this thing was available 5 years ago when I had my big dinger that ended my days of riding. I suffered an aortic dissection, among other internal injuries and broken bones. I was fortunate and lived through it and healed without them having to crack my chest open. However, the leading vascular surgeons say I am 300-500% more likely to die if I ever have that kind of chest impact again. So I haven't been back on a bike since Mar 2001.
The aortic dissection is caused similar to a concussion, the forces of decelleration against the rib cage, tears the aorta because the heart keeps moving. This chestpro has the possibillity of greatly limiting those forces.
I second Maverick.
I had t9/10 break in a desert race from an impact with a tree. Cord damaged but not completely severed. I have very little doubt that an airbag would have prevented enough of the damage to prevent paralysis.
TBH I was wearing a soft back body armour and I think turtle shell back protection may have also prevented it. But science says the force has to go somewhere and the airbag provides a place for the force to go unlike almost all other protection which mostly either spreads the force to a larger area or transfers it to the end point of a brace. The air absorbs the force. It’s so simple (conceptually) but so effective
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