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Because that's our justice system, "prove your innocence"?
So now you’re going to point to cases where people didn’t have to prove innocence? I know it’s supposed to be innocent until proven guilty but come on dude. You know better. Bottom line is fuck them. They knew who they were hanging out with. Don’t be naive.
The innocent can't always prove their innocence. I recall, for example, seeing that Epstein would sometimes host gatherings of academics. Some of them hung out with him regularly (apparently Noam Chomsky was one such person, also Lawrence Krauss, who continued to defend Epstein after his 2008 conviction and was himself accused of sexual harassment during his time as a professor). But I also saw an interview with Dan Dennett, who had attended one of these functions, where he was asked about Epstein. He seemed puzzled by the whole thing and seemed to think Epstein was an idiot. Dennett has since passed away, but suppose he hadn't: Would Dan Dennett, just by the mere fact that he attended one of these events, have to prove that he didn't sexually assault any girls? If so, how would he do that? Dennett claimed that he'd never heard of Epstein so if that's true, then he didn't know who he was hanging out with. Fuck Chomsky and Krauss. But I have no reason to impugn Dennett. Would you treat someone like Dennett just like Chomsky and Krauss?
I care not a single fuck when there are thousands of victims who will never see justice served. If a few good fall then so be it. There’s always casualties of war. Most of these people who Donnie is worried about have the means to live out peaceful lives and never need to go in the public again anyway. Let’s be real. It’s not like any court cases are going to be brought against anyone.
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You’d covered it with…
I can't help but be struck by the fact that we're discussing the goodness of humanity in a thread about something so awful - young girls who suffered through a horrific experience of exploitation...
Hi-5 for that.
Hope you and yours are doing well and may you have the Merriest of Christmases or whatever it is you celebrate…may it be wonderful and joyous.
Also…
Remember, we never lost Lemmy & Ozzy…and we never will. You can still hear them, can’t you?!
Remember that gymnastics Doctor that worked for Team USA, the one who SA’d 150+ girls? And was caught with Child P?
New documents reveal, that Epstein personally wrote him a letter while he was in prison. He assured him:
“We share one thing … our love and caring for young ladies and the hope they’d reach their full potential. Our President also shares our love of young, nubile girls”
Freaking disgusting.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/23/politics/larry-nassar-epstein-files-letter
Thank you. Merry Christmas to you and yours as well!
Yes, I can still hear them. Always will!
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Totality of events. I'd completely agree if it were a few pics with the guys, we should allow a lot of space for innocence, but his history of being a perv creep goes back to the 70's..? At least the 80's. Trump has a long list of slimeball moments and the pics and association with Epstein is very consistent with his character, or lack thereof. Far more consistent than not. For as much as everyone knows that Clinton is a creep, they should know the same about Trump. It's solely the fact that-that obvious truth isn't what makes people happy, that causes total snow blindness (snow being cum in this circumstance). It's still shocking to see this many adults, in the tens of millions, performing playground levels of manipulation dishonesty while simultaneously thinking that they're pulling it off.
Reputation seems to be Trump’s concern and that’s not protected by the “innocent until proven guilty” standard anyway.
I think most people are smart enough to differentiate between someone who ended up with Epstein once and found him objectionable vs people who were hanging out with him regularly (eg Dennett vs Krauss).
I submit to you this thread as evidence that people are smart enough, but not honest enough.
Which is worse, imo. I'll take naive over malicious ten times out of ten.
Burn them all. Dem or Rep ain't got nothing to do with it.
If you can't admit that political affiliation has nothing to with whether people are sick twisted pieces of shit...then you are lacking in skills that define decency.
Teamgreen, R66, Toolmaker. Posting everywhere but silent on the topic of this thread since all this disgusting shit keeps coming out. Guess thats true loyalty to your leader.
Apparently it was a fake letter.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/23/politics/larry-nassar-epstein-files-lett…
Of course it is, why wouldn’t it be?
But isn’t this administration known for calling anything “fake” when it doesn’t fit their narrative?
Who’s established that it’s fake and when did that happen? Aka, how long ago and by who?
From the onset, going all the way back to when this shit-bag got a sweet deal in FL…the government has protected this ass hole.
I’m not gonna get all worked up about a ration of shit that’s been formed by political hacks and their media monkeys.
Besides, everyone is awfully damn selective in WHAT they WANT to believe. Witness the congresswoman actually sharing texts with this shit-bag during a fucking congressional hearing…Unfuckingbelievable.
Yet, nothing but “So, what?” from far too many people that don’t want to acknowledge it.
Again…
Unfuckingbelievable
Nah man,
The only ‘narrative’ is from the left. The right has no ‘narrative’ and doesn’t have to cover there tracks at every turn. 😂😂
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but you are better off keeping those whataboutisms in your back pocket for another thread Mr. green. Throwing them out here only reinforces the idea that you’re using them in order to deflect and defend the actions of some seriously stupid and depraved individuals.
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No worries. I’m not too worried about all the posturing going on in here. In the big picture, Epstein is gone.
This thread is a prime example of people getting lost in the ether. Other than Lemmy/MPJC, I see virtually no reasoning and just a bunch of posturing.
To want Justice certainly has merit.
But, what’s going on in here is merely angry internet folk going off the rails…and all too often based on their own perceptions instead of the record.
Nothing more.
Hence, no worries.
There are other places where we can agree on things. This one has, as I said, gone off the rails.
To say everyone is posturing is to imply that everyone is being disingenuous. I think everyone is just sick and tired of the “rules for thee, but not for me” culture that the institutions of the state provide.
I think the anger here is authentic and valid, but ultimately misguided. We’re better off demanding accountability from the mechanisms which allow such systemic perversions to go unchecked, rather than concentrate solely on a few scapegoats which will inevitably be offered to the mob in hopes that their public humiliation and deaths will be enough to placate the anger of the masses.
I may have an opinion, but very little facts, so I’ll keep my opinion to myself.
In this thread, facts don’t matter. Just accusing someone of something that you could never know happened unless you were an eye witness is all it takes.
The DOJ released the files then after some came to light in media they called some of it fake.
But this same DOJ was caught inserting in to the files a fake AI video of Epstein hanging in his cell. Later that day when called out by the media for being AI they took it down immediately…
This same DOJ was also caught editing multiple files and blocking out names the same day, after specific documents came out highlighting a previous and a current president.
in one of the documents it included new pictures of Trump with girls and Epstein, hard to see at first glance but still there. Once brought out by media, the DOJ immediately removes it from the files.
Do we see a pattern here?
also “I’m not going to get worked up by a ration of crap” Is an interesting thing to say.
And as far as being selective, I made a whole forum post about the hypocritical congressional women, about a month ago. Calling her out and the evil she partook in. I don’t think I’m very selective. Or the people getting angry about this whole situation either. In fact most people want everyone held accountable. It’s maddening how far the government and DOJ is going to conceal any wrongdoing, or identities of politician, celebrities and billionaires participating in a child sex trafficking ring over the course of almost 20 years.
No, not everyone who associated with him is guilty.
But to not question them is illogical.
This is the way I see it.
Imagine an average guy named Joe.
Joe buys a second house, far away from where he lives. He doesn’t rent it out. He doesn’t live there. There’s no normal reason for it to exist.
Later, it comes outthrough court records and testimony that Joe used that house specifically to traffic and abuse women and children. Multiple victims say it. Investigators document it. Joe himself is charged.
Now here’s the key part: Joe didn’t use that house alone.
A steady stream of his friends visited.
But see, Joe Was known before his arrest to have disturbing allegations around him. But his friends, They flew in.They stayed overnight. Some came back again and again. They socialized there. They partied there. They knew Joe owned the house. They knew it wasn’t normal.
Some of those friends now say:
“I didn’t see anything.”
“I didn’t ask questions.”
“I was just there for a visit.”
And these same friends are doing everything in their power to avoid the subject, conceal their names in documents.
It’s VERY reasonable to question the judgment, awareness, and possible involvement of people who repeatedly visited a place built for abuse.
That’s just basic human reasoning.
Who here is accusing anyone of anything?
Just because something is in the file does not mean it is true. The file is the file. It contains the information gathered. Some of this information is true and some of it is not true.
Translation. If it makes Trump look bad it’s not true.
You post your Opinion on everything else. Let’s hear about it here too?
I don’t know if it’s fake or real. I just posted an article from the same source (cnn) saying it was found that the letter wasn’t legit. Nothing more, nothing less.