Can Dungey do it again

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I do, I just feel more strongly about 1 of those other 3 guys winning the title. Chad's a great rider & you're right, he's very...
I do, I just feel more strongly about 1 of those other 3 guys winning the title. Chad's a great rider & you're right, he's very consistent & proven a winner/champ.
As I said in a post above I think all 4 have a serious shot at the championship, and I wouldn't be surprised if any of them won the thing..

I understand you are just picking a winner. If I had to pick one I would give the slight edge to Bubba. The reason being, on raw speed alone I believe he may be able to out class the field. I could easily see him winning 10+ race's, if he stays healthy and stays away from the dnf's he will be tough to beat. Likewise out of those 4 I would agree say he has the biggest risk of crashing out.

Time will tell, let the good times roll. A1 is almost close enough to smell....
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Yes, he can.

The way I see it, there are 3 main things you need: raw speed, control, and (mental toughness, determination, never say die, whatever you want to call it). I think that there are four riders that have all three: Dungey, Stewart, Canard, and Villopoto. I think RV is smart enough to dial it back a hair this year and be in control.

Raw Speed - 1) Stewart 2) RD and RV (tie) 4) Trey
Control - 1) RD 2) Trey 3) Stewart and RV (tie)
Mental - 1) RD 2)RV 3) Trey 4) Stewart

So that's my prediction for the end of the year - 1) RD 2) RV 3) Stewart 4) Trey

I just don't see Reed having the raw speed to consistently run at the top on a non-factory Honda. Shorty, Metcalfe, Weimer, they all have control and mental toughness, but not the raw speed. Grant has the speed, but has yet to show control over the whole year. Windham has flashes of speed and great control, but it's hard to lay it on the line for 18 rounds at his age with a family.
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I think Ryan has the confidence and ability to go as fast as he needs to win. Someone may be faster one week, next week he will have figured it out and win.
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He thinks he can. Good enough for me.
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There is something key in this statement... The big four; RD, RV, JS, and CR all beleive they can win the supercross championhip. We all would...
There is something key in this statement... The big four; RD, RV, JS, and CR all beleive they can win the supercross championhip. We all would be fullish to count any of them out. Beleiving you are a contender is the first step to being a champion.

It has been stated over and over how deep this year's field is. But when, if ever have four guys really been thought to have a serious chance at the championship. Ask yourself this; if anyone of these four riders won the championship would you be surprised?

In the past promotors have built up contenders that have a shot. For example in 08, at A1 they had a skit showing RV. KW, CR, and JS standing in a circle sizing each other up. When I was watching it I tought "cool, but RV and KW are long shots, this championship is going to come down to JS and CR." Not this year, if you picked these guys and put them in any order and told me this is how the season would end, I'd beleive you.


side note.. It is also pretty cool that all of these guys are on different manufactures.
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He thinks he can. Good enough for me.
BLAHBLAH wrote:
There is something key in this statement... The big four; RD, RV, JS, and CR all beleive they can win the supercross championhip. We all would...
There is something key in this statement... The big four; RD, RV, JS, and CR all beleive they can win the supercross championhip. We all would be fullish to count any of them out. Beleiving you are a contender is the first step to being a champion.

It has been stated over and over how deep this year's field is. But when, if ever have four guys really been thought to have a serious chance at the championship. Ask yourself this; if anyone of these four riders won the championship would you be surprised?

In the past promotors have built up contenders that have a shot. For example in 08, at A1 they had a skit showing RV. KW, CR, and JS standing in a circle sizing each other up. When I was watching it I tought "cool, but RV and KW are long shots, this championship is going to come down to JS and CR." Not this year, if you picked these guys and put them in any order and told me this is how the season would end, I'd beleive you.


side note.. It is also pretty cool that all of these guys are on different manufactures.
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Thanks for proof reading... My editor was in the crapper so I couldn't run it by him before publishing. I hope my point still came across even with my lack of comand for the English language.
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Yes, he can. The way I see it, there are 3 main things you need: raw speed, control, and (mental toughness, determination, never say die, whatever...
Yes, he can.

The way I see it, there are 3 main things you need: raw speed, control, and (mental toughness, determination, never say die, whatever you want to call it). I think that there are four riders that have all three: Dungey, Stewart, Canard, and Villopoto. I think RV is smart enough to dial it back a hair this year and be in control.

Raw Speed - 1) Stewart 2) RD and RV (tie) 4) Trey
Control - 1) RD 2) Trey 3) Stewart and RV (tie)
Mental - 1) RD 2)RV 3) Trey 4) Stewart

So that's my prediction for the end of the year - 1) RD 2) RV 3) Stewart 4) Trey

I just don't see Reed having the raw speed to consistently run at the top on a non-factory Honda. Shorty, Metcalfe, Weimer, they all have control and mental toughness, but not the raw speed. Grant has the speed, but has yet to show control over the whole year. Windham has flashes of speed and great control, but it's hard to lay it on the line for 18 rounds at his age with a family.
I can tell you dont know much about SX, First RV is faster than RD. But the big question I have for you is how can you explain Stewart in 3rd hes gonna win it all or crash out but he will not end up in 3rd.
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12/3/2010 6:34pm Edited Date/Time 12/3/2010 6:37pm
Yes, Ryan Dungey can do it again. He has confidence and most importantly consistency, on his side. He will be champ again in 2011.

James will be the fastest, but will crash himself out of the series. He'll be exciting to watch as usual, but won't get it done. 2011 will be status quo for JS.

Ryan Villipoto is a big question mark for me. In the past, I felt he was the next coming of Ricky Carmichael. No longer do I feel that way. He's finished exactly 1/2 of a big bike season in the last 2 years. Not good! In additon, most guy's have difficuly re-gaining their old speed and confidence after a horrific crash such as his. This could be a problem for RV. He needs to worry about finishing a season more than anything right now. If he crashes out once again, his days as a top tier factory rider may numbered. That being said, he will be a top 3-4 guy most weekends. Won't be champ at the end of the season though. I hope he proves me wrong. I really love watchin the guy ride when he's on!

Chad Reed is riding for a paycheck at this point and I don't blame him really. His determination to win a SX C-ship is no where near what it once was. He has shit loads of money in the bank, a new baby, a beautiful wife, etc.. I think self preservation is more important to Chad than wining a SX C-Ship. In addition, the stress of running his own team will play a big factor in his results. He will be a top 4-5 guy, but a click behind RD, JS and RV.

All others will be fighting for the 5th spot. Canard will have his moments, but I think his time is in the future, not now. Whatever the outcome though, this stands to be the best SX season in years. The class is absolutely stacked.

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Yes, he can. The way I see it, there are 3 main things you need: raw speed, control, and (mental toughness, determination, never say die, whatever...
Yes, he can.

The way I see it, there are 3 main things you need: raw speed, control, and (mental toughness, determination, never say die, whatever you want to call it). I think that there are four riders that have all three: Dungey, Stewart, Canard, and Villopoto. I think RV is smart enough to dial it back a hair this year and be in control.

Raw Speed - 1) Stewart 2) RD and RV (tie) 4) Trey
Control - 1) RD 2) Trey 3) Stewart and RV (tie)
Mental - 1) RD 2)RV 3) Trey 4) Stewart

So that's my prediction for the end of the year - 1) RD 2) RV 3) Stewart 4) Trey

I just don't see Reed having the raw speed to consistently run at the top on a non-factory Honda. Shorty, Metcalfe, Weimer, they all have control and mental toughness, but not the raw speed. Grant has the speed, but has yet to show control over the whole year. Windham has flashes of speed and great control, but it's hard to lay it on the line for 18 rounds at his age with a family.
Kevin Windham hasn't had a "factory Honda" since 2000! I wonder how he has manged to contend for championships and win races??

Go back to the drawing board grover738! That non-factory crap is a non issue! Pro Circuit gives those guys just as good of stuff as the factory's do!
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how can anybody at this point not pick dungey as the fvorite!?
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It's easy! There will actually be a lot more competition on the gate this year! No way Dungey is running with a Stewart and Reed with...
It's easy! There will actually be a lot more competition on the gate this year! No way Dungey is running with a Stewart and Reed with chips on their shoulders. THOSE 2 will be riding with a vengence this year. As good as Dungey is, James and Chad will be battling all by themselves again this year. Those 2 have ALWAYS been 2 gears faster than everyone else in SX. One year doesn't change all that. For 9 years we heard every year that this is the year someone will knock off MC, yet MC would come in and win 9 or 10 races and walk away with it. Dungey and Villo will have some spots on the podium, but Chad and James are going to govern the podium.

When Dungey was challenged last year, he got beat. RV got on his head. Now he has Stewart, Reed, Villo, Canard, AND Grant to deal with. Those other 3 guys there every week will definitely be a difference this year. Garauntee it!
You are aware that MC did drop off the pace eventually, right? Oh, and he was 29 years old I believe. Look up how old Reedy will be at around the halfway point of SX 2011 (March 15). MC had no one like Dungey or RV coming up on him until RC got in shape. Neither Stewart nor Reed have 8 SX crowns. They each have 2, which is only 1 more than Dungey. You could just as easily use MC as an example of what happens when a rookie wins the title. Actually, if you look at the only rookie to win either in SX or MX who do you have? RC and MC. Now you have Dungey doing the double.....something not even MC or RC did. With all that said, I'm picking RV to do the double this year.
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There is something key in this statement... The big four; RD, RV, JS, and CR all beleive they can win the supercross championhip. We all would...
There is something key in this statement... The big four; RD, RV, JS, and CR all beleive they can win the supercross championhip. We all would be fullish to count any of them out. Beleiving you are a contender is the first step to being a champion.

It has been stated over and over how deep this year's field is. But when, if ever have four guys really been thought to have a serious chance at the championship. Ask yourself this; if anyone of these four riders won the championship would you be surprised?

In the past promotors have built up contenders that have a shot. For example in 08, at A1 they had a skit showing RV. KW, CR, and JS standing in a circle sizing each other up. When I was watching it I tought "cool, but RV and KW are long shots, this championship is going to come down to JS and CR." Not this year, if you picked these guys and put them in any order and told me this is how the season would end, I'd beleive you.


side note.. It is also pretty cool that all of these guys are on different manufactures.
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Thanks for proof reading... My editor was in the crapper so I couldn't run it by him before publishing. I hope my point still came across...
Thanks for proof reading... My editor was in the crapper so I couldn't run it by him before publishing. I hope my point still came across even with my lack of comand for the English language.
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12/3/2010 9:42pm Edited Date/Time 12/3/2010 9:42pm
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You are aware that MC did drop off the pace eventually, right? Oh, and he was 29 years old I believe. Look up how old Reedy...
You are aware that MC did drop off the pace eventually, right? Oh, and he was 29 years old I believe. Look up how old Reedy will be at around the halfway point of SX 2011 (March 15). MC had no one like Dungey or RV coming up on him until RC got in shape. Neither Stewart nor Reed have 8 SX crowns. They each have 2, which is only 1 more than Dungey. You could just as easily use MC as an example of what happens when a rookie wins the title. Actually, if you look at the only rookie to win either in SX or MX who do you have? RC and MC. Now you have Dungey doing the double.....something not even MC or RC did. With all that said, I'm picking RV to do the double this year.
Not going to happen! You guys crack me up with RV this and RD that. Neither one has James Speed! And after last year, he is going to prove his point real quick. And no, RV and RD are not just going to roll by Reedy. When Reed is on a bike he really likes, he is dangerous. Forget Rookie this and Rookie that. Reed came within a few points of dethroning RC his rookie season. Who did RD have to deal with in either series? No one!! A lot of you are in for a rude awakening come January.
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12/3/2010 10:09pm Edited Date/Time 12/3/2010 10:22pm
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Yes, Ryan Dungey can do it again. He has confidence and most importantly consistency, on his side. He will be champ again in 2011. James will...
Yes, Ryan Dungey can do it again. He has confidence and most importantly consistency, on his side. He will be champ again in 2011.

James will be the fastest, but will crash himself out of the series. He'll be exciting to watch as usual, but won't get it done. 2011 will be status quo for JS.

Ryan Villipoto is a big question mark for me. In the past, I felt he was the next coming of Ricky Carmichael. No longer do I feel that way. He's finished exactly 1/2 of a big bike season in the last 2 years. Not good! In additon, most guy's have difficuly re-gaining their old speed and confidence after a horrific crash such as his. This could be a problem for RV. He needs to worry about finishing a season more than anything right now. If he crashes out once again, his days as a top tier factory rider may numbered. That being said, he will be a top 3-4 guy most weekends. Won't be champ at the end of the season though. I hope he proves me wrong. I really love watchin the guy ride when he's on!

Chad Reed is riding for a paycheck at this point and I don't blame him really. His determination to win a SX C-ship is no where near what it once was. He has shit loads of money in the bank, a new baby, a beautiful wife, etc.. I think self preservation is more important to Chad than wining a SX C-Ship. In addition, the stress of running his own team will play a big factor in his results. He will be a top 4-5 guy, but a click behind RD, JS and RV.

All others will be fighting for the 5th spot. Canard will have his moments, but I think his time is in the future, not now. Whatever the outcome though, this stands to be the best SX season in years. The class is absolutely stacked.

Isn`t Reed the one who writes paychecks this time around?
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Too many people underestimate Dungey. He will do what he has to do to win. He'll take the win anytime he can get it but he will also take a 3rd if that is what that particular race gives him. He is a calculated winning machine.
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12/4/2010 3:44am Edited Date/Time 12/4/2010 3:49am
Dungey is the best rider right now he can definitely do it again, but this year the pressure is on. Stewart may be faster but he isn't as smart.

RV, Reed, Dungey, Stewart, Canard, Pourcel and Weimar should all be similar in speed.

Stewart could be the fastest, but Dungey has all the pieces of the puzzle if he can cope with defending the champoinship pressure.

If Pourcel rides he could be a big threat for Dungey's title , I wouldn't count Reed out either. RV is fast enough but rides the edge too much, if he is smoother he could win. Canard will be good all year, as will Weimar - they could win races but maybe not the title.
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RaceFace wrote:
You are aware that MC did drop off the pace eventually, right? Oh, and he was 29 years old I believe. Look up how old Reedy...
You are aware that MC did drop off the pace eventually, right? Oh, and he was 29 years old I believe. Look up how old Reedy will be at around the halfway point of SX 2011 (March 15). MC had no one like Dungey or RV coming up on him until RC got in shape. Neither Stewart nor Reed have 8 SX crowns. They each have 2, which is only 1 more than Dungey. You could just as easily use MC as an example of what happens when a rookie wins the title. Actually, if you look at the only rookie to win either in SX or MX who do you have? RC and MC. Now you have Dungey doing the double.....something not even MC or RC did. With all that said, I'm picking RV to do the double this year.
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Not going to happen! You guys crack me up with RV this and RD that. Neither one has James Speed! And after last year, he is...
Not going to happen! You guys crack me up with RV this and RD that. Neither one has James Speed! And after last year, he is going to prove his point real quick. And no, RV and RD are not just going to roll by Reedy. When Reed is on a bike he really likes, he is dangerous. Forget Rookie this and Rookie that. Reed came within a few points of dethroning RC his rookie season. Who did RD have to deal with in either series? No one!! A lot of you are in for a rude awakening come January.
If RD won against no one then why do watch MY sport, go tell Millsaps hes no one go tell Metcalfe hes no one, etc. Bubbas speed comes at a price and besides he pussys out in the outdoors know cause he knows what RV will do to him outside!!
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Not going to happen! You guys crack me up with RV this and RD that. Neither one has James Speed! And after last year, he is...
Not going to happen! You guys crack me up with RV this and RD that. Neither one has James Speed! And after last year, he is going to prove his point real quick. And no, RV and RD are not just going to roll by Reedy. When Reed is on a bike he really likes, he is dangerous. Forget Rookie this and Rookie that. Reed came within a few points of dethroning RC his rookie season. Who did RD have to deal with in either series? No one!! A lot of you are in for a rude awakening come January.
Reed likes every bike he is on, until he doesn't win on it. Last year pre-Hangtown he was saying the KX was his best outdoor setup ever. Then he got beat and suddenly he is having setup issues. I'm sure he loves the Honda, but when he is getting 5ths he isn't going to like it anymore. Just watch. As for Reed being dangerous? In 2008, when Stewart was out, Reed did his best to make the title race interesting between him and K-Dub. Reed has never beaten a serious threat for a title. The only 2 serious threats he has had are RC and Stewart. If they don't get hurt (RC 2004) and (James 2008), he has zero SX titles.

Now Stewie, how do you even know WHAT his speed is? We saw him race Unadilla, he wasn't very impressive. Other than that he has not raced, so how do we measure his speed? You're basing his speed on what he did in SX 2009, because he wasn't all that impressive at A1 2010 either. Dungey pretty much matched his speed there and Dungey WILL be faster at A1 2011.....so will RV. For the record, at one point or another in 2010, Dungey beat every single top rider anyone can name on the planet. How's that for who'd he have to deal with? Cairoli certainly had a rude awakening when he came to the Des Nations. As did Stewart when he showed up at Unadilla. In fact 2nd moto at Unadilla, Alessi and James were battling for 11th. Funny how that order would have been 1-2 in the first half of 2008 MX. James certainly has the ability to prove me wrong and win the title in 2011, but it is not a forgone conclusion as so many are saying. Reed is no longer a title contender. I predict he retires after 2011.
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Too many people underestimate Dungey. He will do what he has to do to win. He'll take the win anytime he can get it but he...
Too many people underestimate Dungey. He will do what he has to do to win. He'll take the win anytime he can get it but he will also take a 3rd if that is what that particular race gives him. He is a calculated winning machine.
This I agree with. The title winner in 2011 might not have but a handful of wins. Any contender crashing in the 1st turn could end as a 10th place finish. Tipping over on lap 5 will put you back behind some very good riders.....not the same guys that were running 5th-10th in 2010. Those guys will now be running 10th-15th.

The 2009 days of James or Chad falling down and getting up and finishing 2nd are done with. Neither of these guys have raced in a stacked field like this, no one has. It will take a different mindset of patience and taking what you can get and not making it worse. I don't think that works in Stewart's favor at all. Dungey has certainly proven to be calculated and smart.
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There's a fire in Jame's belly, he'll be at warp speed to shut all the naysayers up.
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Anyone who thinks that Dungey will not be a threat to any title he competes for is completely out lunch. Seriously. Give your head a shake.
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I'm not saying Mr. Dungey wouldnt be a threat, he definately is. I'm saying if I were a betting man, I would bet on number 7.
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Doubt it, but I'd love to see it. A lot of people are doubting Stewart, he's been gone awhile, but he's still my top pick. I can't wait for A1 then we'll know what the seasons going to bring.
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bubba stewart winning races is a thing of the past.
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He did it once, He can do it again. I have no doubt he's the fastest guy on the track.
i have 3 doubts, Stewart, Villopoto, Canard. I don't think Weimer will do much, nor Millsaps. Maybe Grant on a good day, which hopefully is every weekend.
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bubba stewart winning races is a thing of the past.
Based on what assumptions?
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bubba stewart winning races is a thing of the past.
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Based on what assumptions?
his 1.2 motos he raced outdoors. im a bubba fan and hes awesome to watch on a bike but i dont think hes got the heart to keep racing after he gets straight up beat a few times. imho
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JS7 has not forgotten how to haul ass on a dirt bike, he has always been willing to hang it out a lil more than the next guy and he probably has more to prove than any of the other guys.. RV will also hang it out and has that raw speed.. If those two dont end up on the ground, they both will win races. Dont know if RD is going to be willing to hang it out like the others. He had a couple decent battles with RV last year, but RV usually came out on top...RV did win more races...Dungey is fast and consistent and has that big red #1 plate, but Chad, james and 2 all are going to try and prove a point....but there will also be 41, millsaps, JG33, weimer, Kdub, shorty, metty who have to be dealt with. coming thru the pack is gonna suck
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Too many people underestimate Dungey. He will do what he has to do to win. He'll take the win anytime he can get it but he...
Too many people underestimate Dungey. He will do what he has to do to win. He'll take the win anytime he can get it but he will also take a 3rd if that is what that particular race gives him. He is a calculated winning machine.
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This I agree with. The title winner in 2011 might not have but a handful of wins. Any contender crashing in the 1st turn could end...
This I agree with. The title winner in 2011 might not have but a handful of wins. Any contender crashing in the 1st turn could end as a 10th place finish. Tipping over on lap 5 will put you back behind some very good riders.....not the same guys that were running 5th-10th in 2010. Those guys will now be running 10th-15th.

The 2009 days of James or Chad falling down and getting up and finishing 2nd are done with. Neither of these guys have raced in a stacked field like this, no one has. It will take a different mindset of patience and taking what you can get and not making it worse. I don't think that works in Stewart's favor at all. Dungey has certainly proven to be calculated and smart.
RaceFace,

Bingo! There is nothing more to say about the upcoming season. Now we all have to put up lame threads to kill time until A1. Now, no fucking injuries!!
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DUNGEY fastest man on the planet!
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I will Be straight forward about this, i just dont like dungey....after reed and stewy and a couple of other big names fell out of the series.. i just stopped watching all together..I personally do not want to see him win again

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