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Wow, someone actually posted something of substance. Here's the thing, we have people that make ambiguous statements and then are afraid to define what they mean. So an actual conversation could be had. And then it gets better, they want someone else to define what they claimed. Just piling stupid on top of stupid. To me, "war" is "the art of taking something away". You could be taking something physical like land, or it could be power, influence, reputation. But at the end of the day it's the process of taking something away. How it happens, is situational. It could be surrounding a castle in medieval times which was often done till they ran out of food inside the wall. It could be a football team playing for the "W" taking away status from the other team. It could be employees competing for the next promotion. I believe we are already in a war with the cartel. Since Venezuela is controlled by the cartel, it may look like we are in conflict with Venezuela. However, we need to know that it's the cartel we are fighting. Will there be military casualty property and or personnel? Most likely because the cartel controls the government which controls the military. Will the cartel fight tooth and nail? Absolutely. Will innocent people get killed? Yes to that too. Will MORE people be killed if we ran scared and did nothing? 100%. In closing, we are taking away the power and influence of the cartel, so yes we are already at war by MY definition.
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Clearly the Mexican cartels control the Mexican government. Why aren’t we posturing up to Mexico? They’re a hell of a lot closer and share a border where said drugs and humans are smuggled across.
As someone who has a family memeber who was one of the 2 largest importer of Columbian and Venezuelan powders in the 80s and 90s. Im 100% ok with all of this. If you think for one second those boats dont have massive amounts of drugs idk what to tell you. The guys running the boats aren't your run of the mill mules they have to be able to navigate to the drop points. Then we take our boats, the deep sea fishing yacht or the cigarett boat and go scoop it up in the coke triangle. They dont need to get it all the way to the us. Alot of times they just get into international water close to Honduras Nicaragua Costa Rica side, Cuba side or Jamaica and their carrie from there bring it closer to Miami. Especially Cuba, Cuba will run interference as there's money being laundered. Once we got it or their carrier brought it to the next drop point between Cuba Miami we grab it. Load it into brand new cars, car parts tires ect load it into rail cars or car haulers and ship it up to chicago.
The chicago outfit would sometime run it up the Mississippi and then haul it east by train or truck.
Those of us that know people around the bussines are dumbfounded by the push back over this but then we remember its the same people who are advocating and allowing guys in chicago who have who have been aressted for armed robbery 10 time in 3 months then act surprised when he finally shoots someone. Its all just we gotta get trump.
Then why did Trump pardon a convicted drug trafficking kingpin?
Let’s face it: Trump wants regime change. Drug boats offer a convenient excuse to send in forces.
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One small correction, Chevron wants a regime change, our military is just doing their bidding.
What exactly is wrong with regime change if it's done without boots on the ground or American casualties and significantly benefits the U.S.?
Correction noted, but with asterisk.
*Chevron and American oil corporations are indistinguishable from Donald trump. Corporate interests and presidents for as long as any of us have been alive have always been indistinguishable from each other. ALL presidents are puppets and henchmen for corporate interests. Donald Trump or any person in the position of president doesn't exist as an individual. A president exists in that position purely as a symbolic physical manifestation of international corporate interests. America doesn't belong to its citizens, it belongs to whomever holds it's debt. Presidents aren't picked by us, they are chosen by them.
I don't think we could even claim that its "our" military in theory or law, and certainly not in practice anymore. Its "their" military that is funded by our dumbasses.
Until there is zero crime, our cities are spotless, our roads are perfect, and our taxes are less than 10% we shouldn't be spending one second thinking about any other country on earth, let alone deciding for them which regime is best. Our track record of picking regimes over the last 50 years has been an abject failure beyond anyone's wildest imagination while costing trillions of dollars and millions of lives, so I don't understand what would make you think this time would be any different. They will always say it's "different this time", but it never is and never will be.
What about all the brain power and money the U.S. expended in Venezuela that made all their oil fields go from useless to reality?
We literally turned them into the wealthiest south American country almost overnight. When they nationalized it, all our work and treasure spent vanished. Now Venezuela has become the butthole of the region, people fleeing the oppression looking for some place to raise a family.
It's more than just corporate greed.
Don’t make big investments in unstable countries. Unless of course you can rely on the American taxpayers to subsidize your failure.
Oil companies made poor business decisions and now it’s my problem?
That's a hardline libertarian isolationist view, which is fine. Realistically we'll never have that in the White House, although it's what I voted for when I was younger.
This administration shouldn't be subjected to the track records of George Bush and others. Trump campaigned on "peace through strength", and HIS track record does not involve any new wars.
Last, I don't believe we're picking the new regime. The stage is being set for Maduro to step down and Venezuela to figure it out themselves.
It’s Venezuela’s resources they can do what they want with it. American companies investing in it is there risk to take. I’m sick of too big to fail, bailouts and corporate welfare.
Resources? Yes, infrastructure? No.
When their stuff eventually falls the rest of the way apart, Venezuela's oil dries up, and that's no good for anyone. They've been poaching oil professionals since the nationalization happened, but fewer people feel it's worth it anymore to go there.
If they'd work together with us, they could return to being "THE" place to be in S. America, become wealthy once more, and it would☒ further help keep oil prices in check, and our oil companies would profit too. (I realize "profit" is a nasty word around here, but it's what makes things happen.)
Profit concentrates power in the hands of a few within large corporations, giving them influence over people who lack wealth. These corporations and wealthy individuals often prioritize their own financial gain while harming others in the process. To deflect attention from their actions, they may blame vulnerable groups—such as immigrants, LGBTQ people, or religious minorities—portraying them as the source of society’s problems instead of acknowledging the role of concentrated wealth and self-interest.
Theres risk in building infrastructure in unstable regions.
If you open a business in a rough area it might get robbed. You provide infrastructure in unstable areas you might get fucked.
Venezuela wasn't a "Rough Neighborhood" until Maduro stole the Presidency.
That statement about Venezuela wasnt a “rough neighborhood” before Maduro is wrong also.
The president of Venezuela before Nicolás Maduro was Hugo Chávez.
Chávez served from 1999 until his death in March 2013, after which Maduro—who had been Vice President—assumed the presidency.
This started with Chavez not Maduro!
The push back is because Venezuela has pretty close to zero to due with Fentanyl, which is the number one problem in the USA. The Mexican cartels are the problem and China sells them the precursors. If you want to talk about cocaine then you talk about Columbia. Venezuela is just a pass thru country, just a route thru, it’s not a producer. Last the notorious gang Tren de aragua does sell very small quantities of drugs in the USA but it mostly things like MDMA in just some local communities, they really are not a player in drug trafficking.
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I would highly disagree that any administration shouldn’t be subject to criticism due to the track record of previous administrations, while a few key players may change from administration to administration the real meat and potatoes of the military industrial complex remain and the strategy never changes.
While it may be technically true that Trump has not started any “new” conflicts, I don’t at all believe he has kept his promise of peace through strength. We have bombed Somalia at a rate that blows every previous administration out of the water in a single year, we’ve seen very little progress towards a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine, and under his watch we have seen unspeakable atrocities committed in Gaza that continue to this day even under a supposed ceasefire (over 400 civilians killed since this deal took effect). None of that looks like peace through strength to me, that looks like yet another failed foreign policy doctrine guided by interventionism. I had very high hopes for this administration when they came in, and they’ve done all they can to extinguish what little was left with this Venezuela saga.
And finally, I would argue it’s not our time and place to choose when Venezuela needs a regime change. Going in and leaving a power vacuum in place of a regime we don’t like has never ended well in the past, and it will not end well here. Like I said, until our country is thriving at home we have zero business being the worlds police force, we have enough of our own problems to solve first
We could certainly use a regime change, and I don’t mean Trump. I mean the entirety of the government (mostly the fucking losers in congress)
Also remember Trump bombed the Iranian nuclear complexs. On that note he pull out of the Iranian nuclear agreement that was working perfectly, just because it happened under Obama. I don’t know how many people on here know that the USA also had an agreement with Ukraine. Back in the 1990’s Ukraine had nuclear weapons from the old USSR, they agreed to give them up for protection from Russia by the USA. So now Trump has kind of back out of that basically. Both of these situations tells the rest of the world you can’t trust the USA and if these countries need protection they need nuclear weapons.
Depending on which camp you're in, (I haven't taken a side here yet, want to read a few more things) "said convicted kingpin". He got the laws changed so they could extradition to the USA. While he was president, he sent over 30 drug kingpin to the USA. Drug traffic was down 50% under his admin and the murder rate dropped like a rock. Lots of data to believe he was set up by the cartels he was fighting.
The decline in homicide rate predates Hernández (which began in 2014) and continued through his presidency:
• 2014: rate still very high (mid-60s per 100,000)
• 2015-2021: a steady downward trend toward the high-30s per 100,000
the extradition were very selective also.
https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/juan-orlando-hernandez-former-president-honduras-convicted-manhattan-federal-court?
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/juan-orlando-hernandez-former-pres…?
Wait, what? You post a press release from the same people that wrongly prosecuted him if in fact he was set up? I don't know if he is a good guy or bad guy but he also fired 60% of a corrupt police force. If if fact he was replacing good cops with bad, the drug traffic would not have dropped by 50% through his country. I'm guessing Trump believes he was set up, hence the pardon.
That might be believable if you knew the difference between Columbia and Colombia………
Iran for sure held up their end of the deal. The Iran Nuclear deal with Obama gave Iran the ability to produce a nuclear weapon in 10 years. That is right about, Umm its past now, more like about the time Trump took out the facilities. If I remember right, wasn't it reported they were weeks away from having one?
wow ! Is all I have to say
America needs more consistency if we're going to control what other countries can and cannot do, because you can't tell people it's okay to make a thing and then go blow up the thing when they make it.
Supply in demand. They have stuff to build. We need stuff to blow up. 😂
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