NASCAR Monopoly lawsuit

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12/11/2025 7:53am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2025 8:03am
scott_nz wrote:

i think this is a good take from Dale Jnr, 

Nascar/France family could probably cash up the land they own for a better return, 

https://x.com/DirtyMoMedia/status/1998552195952742755?s=20

 

I might be off on what his point was, but I think there's evidence to the contrary. COTA was just built a little over 10 years ago during the peak of the development boom in Austin. The city sees it as a huge attraction and benefits dramatically from it economically. F1 is bigger than ever. So, there is demand for racing. And tracks are economically viable. NASCAR is just missing somehow. 

In my opinion, it has become too vanilla. I tried watching the NASCAR version of Drive to Survive on Netflix and the drivers were so damn boring. The only one that was slightly interesting was Denny Hamlin. No matter what they say, people want drivers to be arrogant, cocky, glamorous and larger than life. Seeing Lewis Hamilton flying around in his self-branded jet or Verstappen making some smartass remark to a journalis  and not giving a shit is what gets the masses to tune in. NASCAR used to give us the Rednecks with Paychecks version of that. Now these guys just seem scared to say anything wrong.

Even the cars suck. You watch the 90s clips and the cars are all over the place. You can see the driver working the car. Now they look cemented to the ground. It's boring as hell. 

It's crazy that a guy like me will watch hrs of sprint cars or Hunt the Front on YouTube, but won't spend half a second watching anything NASCAR. Its not that I have abything against. I gre up on it. I want to like it. I am prime audience, but it's just boring as shit.

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12/11/2025 9:37am

its reported that 23XI and Front row  get their charters back, and that all charters to become evergreen with the other teams having to agree on the wording,   financial settlement to be private, 

i wonder what this does for the price of charters,  as they were stupid high anyway,  

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12/11/2025 10:32am

for me, it will be interesting to see if Indycar goes through with thier charter system now,  and not that it was ever really on the table, but i doubt SMX will be doing a charter type deal with the teams in mx any time soon

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12/11/2025 10:35am Edited Date/Time 12/11/2025 10:37am

I am glad MJ and the teams  prevailed. Jordan is  a business man for sure, and wants to make money, but he's the only one to go up against the France juggernaut and get what was rightfully the teams money. 

 

We need guys like him  in motocross.  

 

If anything, the trial has shown that the France's  and the Daytona Motorsports Group do not care about the sport, fans or the teams if there isn't all the money, and then some, for them 

 

I hope this a wake up call to all involved in the professional Motocross community to get better pay and benefits packages for the riders.  It does not look good to me, John Q Public,  and the Daytona Motorsports Group running the professional  motocross side of things. I sure hope things are not done like this to this extent  in professional motocross.

 

On another note, doesn't Feld have contracts with stadiums to ban any SX events but Feld's at the major stadiums across the country? If so, doesnt that invoke anti trust laws?  Just spit balling here, I am no lawyer.  But it seems to me that that is similar to what the Daytona Motorsports group did and the judgement was ruled against them as unfair.  

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12/11/2025 10:37am

MX/SX are a straight up monopoly. Just ask DC about his jealously guarded fiefdom! 

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12/11/2025 2:26pm
scott_nz wrote:
its reported that 23XI and Front row  get their charters back, and that all charters to become evergreen with the other teams having to agree on...

its reported that 23XI and Front row  get their charters back, and that all charters to become evergreen with the other teams having to agree on the wording,   financial settlement to be private, 

i wonder what this does for the price of charters,  as they were stupid high anyway,  

With charters now being evergreen i would say the price of them just doubled 

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12/11/2025 3:09pm

The scenario that the suit was aimed at would he more applicable to WSX or MXGP......

......if they were somehow beholden to the American legal system.  

Both of those series effectively have 'charters' of a sort, even if they are not called that specifically.  If the AMA sanctioned SX/MX series were to start charging teams and limiting the participation to only those teams who were contracted (unless otherwise allowed by the promoter such as the wild card riders), then this would have a lot more relevance to them. 

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12/11/2025 3:24pm

MJ one of the baddest mfers of all time. wish he'd start an mx team

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12/12/2025 5:34am

Jim France finally understood his legal team’s interpretation of the writing on the wall, at the 11th hour, just before he became the biggest loser…😎

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12/12/2025 6:02am

NASCAR owes the teams...$360,000,000. NASCAR may be in trouble. 

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12/12/2025 6:15am
MOTO13 wrote:

NASCAR owes the teams...$360,000,000. NASCAR may be in trouble. 

Pretty sure that’s just for the two plaintiff teams, 23XI and Front Row.  Everybody’s going to be okay, including NASCAR.

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12/12/2025 6:20am

The lawsuit is settled. The teams get permanent charters etc., the financial portion of the settlement is confidential.

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12/12/2025 1:19pm


The title had me thinking it was a lawsuit over the board game..

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