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I'm sorry the democrats played you guys to be useful idiots... nothing like doctoring emails that have been previously released to fool their cult followers.
The democrats haven’t played me to be a fool of anything. They are fools themselves, just as much as anyone defending our president tooth and nail. It’s embarrassing.
Also, what’s the proof the redacted name was Virginia? Secondly, if it was…. Is it possible she lied under oath and in her book, fearing the president of the U.S. would go after her politically? Or financially? Or legally? As he has continually proven to do to people who he does not like?
Also where did you read that trump alerted authorities ? I’ve found no sources for that.
The irony of you calling another political party a cult, as you simultaneously defend this president after all the countless evidence implying and insinuating him knowing fully about a high profile sex trafficking ring, if not participating in it, Is so sad. That quite literally is the definition of a cult. Where no matter what your leader says or does.. you will be there praising him.
P.S. your childlike insults toward any political party will not work on me. I am not affiliated with any party. So the “ But the democrats!!” Won’t work , I’ll probably just agree with you and go back to my point.
Since you've got extensive knowledge of their relationship, what's with this discrepancy? Also, why would an innocent man be scrambling to have people flip their vote on the matter?
"2004: Trump permanently banned Jeffrey Epstein from Mar-a-Lago after learning he preyed on an underage girl at the resort.
2005: Trump personally alerted authorities about Epstein’s behavior while Palm Beach elites stayed silent.
2017: Trump signed a sweeping Executive Order to crush global child-trafficking networks and online sex exploitation."
https://couriernewsroom.com/news/we-created-a-searchable-database-with-all-20000-files-from-epsteins-estate/
So you've got absolutely nothing, again, but you'll eat up the lies just so you can feel the rush of your TDS flaring up.
As to why he doesnt want it released right now - epstein was involved with many powerful people, and i would guess there are ties to Israel. It would be kind of hard to negotiate a peace deal with israel and the middle east, while releasing classified documents tying israel to epstein.
you guys havent answered any of my questions.
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"Epstein was involved with many powerful people, and i would guess there are ties to Israel." what's the proof you're basing this statement off of? I'm not even arguing you're wrong, but if his emails are lies as per your assessment, what are your sources?
So Trump doesn't want to piss off the swamp that he's going to drain? And why are we so afraid of Israel?
I present facts and documented history and your response is "insane cope here." Then go on claiming im throwing childlike insults for the crime of telling you that you have been a useful idiot.
you have shown you dont have the slightest clue as to the facts, yet youre in here ready to burn a man at the stake based off of politically motivated lies.
Key Details
Around 2004–2005 (accounts vary slightly on exact timing), Trump banned Epstein from his Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach after hearing reports of Epstein's inappropriate behavior toward an underage girl (often described as a club member's teenage daughter) or due to a combination of that and a real estate dispute.
When Palm Beach police began investigating Epstein in 2005, Trump voluntarily spoke with investigators. He shared information about Epstein's conduct, including that Epstein was interested in "beautiful women... on the younger side" (echoing Trump's own 2002 quote about Epstein) and confirmed the ban from Mar-a-Lago.
Bradley Edwards, a prominent attorney who represented many Epstein victims starting around 2008–2009 and challenged the plea deal, described this in his 2019 book Relentless Pursuit: My Fight for the Victims of Jeffrey Epstein:
Edwards wrote that Trump was "the only person" among Palm Beach's elite social circle who provided helpful information to the investigation when contacted.
Trump was cooperative, gave details about why he cut ties with Epstein, and did not attempt to protect him.
Edwards noted: "He [Trump] was very helpful in the information that he gave, and made no effort whatsoever to protect Epstein or to keep anything secret."
then you just changed what you originally said. You said “trump alerted the authorities” no, they were already alerted and he talked to investigators basically telling them nothing besides “he’s weird”. yet in the emails, Jeffery Epstein is saying that DT “knew about the girls, and asked Ghislaine to stop”
If a sex trafficker said someone knew about his “girls” what does that mean class? That person knew about the sex trafficking.
Also, what does it mean when a high profile sex trafficker with a private island, says that “someone” spent hours with one of his “girls” ? Hm, I’m an idiot of course, but still can put 2 and 2 together huh.
I think we all have questions about the Israel thing, and have a hard time understanding why they are running the show. I haven't researched it much, but in my discussions with people who have, there is something very strange going on.
It may be that I’ll catch hell about bringing up Israel again and again, but when I step in dog shit I don’t need to lick my shoe to know it’s dog shit. Ghislanes father Robert was Mossad. Now lots of stuff is coming out that the mainstream media isn’t reporting on about how Epstein was a key negotiator for Israel on multiple occasions. Also not just Israel. A handful of other countries. It’ll start to trickle out here slowly. Call me antisemitic allllll you want but something fishy has been and continues to go on.
I have heard it discussed over the years, and i dont have all the quotes, podcasts, interviews saved. Over time i formed my opinion that he and maxwell have ties to israel, or at the very least that they have powerful israelis on tape or record being at the island. This is why I said it was my guess as to why he doesn't want it released now. Also i would venture to guess that there are people previously and/or currently in our government that would be exposed.
He has already released more than biden ever did... and he still has 3 years to air it all out if he chooses to do so. I hope he does, and let the chips fall....
anyways here is a brief summary from Grok covering some of the speculation...
The allegation that Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell (along with her family) had operational ties to Mossad (Israel's intelligence agency) centers on a sexual blackmail ("honeytrap") scheme targeting powerful figures. This remains one of the most persistent conspiracy theories surrounding Epstein, fueled by circumstantial connections, leaked documents, and claims from controversial sources—but no declassified intelligence records, court-proven evidence, or official confirmation from Israel or the U.S. has ever substantiated that Epstein or the Maxwells were formal Mossad agents or ran a directed blackmail operation for Israeli intelligence. The Maxwell Family's Alleged Mossad Ties
Robert Maxwell (Ghislaine's father, born Jan Hoch in Czechoslovakia, died 1991): Widely rumored to have worked for Mossad (and possibly MI6/KGB as a double/triple agent).
He received a state funeral on Jerusalem's Mount of Olives in 1991, attended by Israeli PM Yitzhak Shamir and intelligence figures. Shamir eulogized him as having "done more for Israel than can today be said."
Books like Robert Maxwell, Israel's Superspy (Gordon Thomas & Martin Dillon, 2002) and reporting by Seymour Hersh allege he assisted Mossad with arms deals, money laundering, and the PROMIS software espionage scandal.
After his mysterious death (fell from yacht Lady Ghislaine), theories claimed Mossad killed him for embezzling funds or attempting blackmail—though officially ruled accidental drowning/suicide.
Ghislaine Maxwell: Some allege she "inherited" her father's intelligence role and recruited Epstein. In 2025-released U.S. DOJ transcripts, she denied believing Epstein was a paid Israeli agent.
No Israeli government confirmation exists; officials treat Robert Maxwell claims as unproven or exaggerated.Epstein's Ties to the Maxwells and Israel
Epstein met Ghislaine in the early 1990s (post-Robert Maxwell's death, per mainstream accounts) or possibly earlier in the 1980s (per disputed claims).
Epstein's unexplained wealth partly traced to pro-Israel billionaire Les Wexner (Mega Group co-founder, major donor to Israeli causes), who gave Epstein power of attorney.
Close relationship with former Israeli PM Ehud Barak (1999–2001, ex-head of Israeli military intelligence):
Met dozens of times (2013–2017+), including at Epstein's NYC townhouse (sometimes entering with face covered to avoid photos).
Leaked/hacked 2024–2025 emails (from Palestinian hacker group Handala) show Epstein wiring money for Barak, editing Barak's op-eds, facilitating Barak's meetings with U.S. officials (e.g., CIA's Leon Panetta), and hosting Barak's aide Yoni Koren (Mossad veteran) for weeks at Epstein properties.
Epstein invested in Israeli tech/startups and described himself in emails as a "freelance diplomat for Israeli interests."
Investigative outlets (e.g., Drop Site News, 2025) describe Epstein as a facilitator advancing hawkish Israeli goals (e.g., anti-Iran/Syria policy), but note it often looked like Barak/Mossad chasing Epstein for access/money rather than the reverse.
The Core Claim: Mossad "Honeytrap" Blackmail Operation
Primary source: Ari Ben-Menashe (self-described ex-Israeli intelligence officer, involved in Iran-Contra).
In books/interviews (e.g., Epstein: Dead Men Tell No Tales, 2019–2020), claims he was Robert Maxwell's "handler"; introduced Epstein/Ghislaine to Mossad in the 1980s; they filmed politicians with minors for blackmail.
Ben-Menashe's credibility is heavily disputed: Israel denied he ever worked for Mossad; accused of fabricating stories; acquitted in U.S. arms case but labeled unreliable by journalists/fact-checkers.
No Epstein/Maxwell trial evidence, FBI raids, or unsealed files (including 2025 DOJ reviews) found blackmail tapes tied to Mossad or any "client list" used for Israeli intelligence.
Ghislaine Maxwell (in prison transcripts) and former Israeli PM Naftali Bennett (2025) categorically denied Epstein-Mossad links, calling claims "baseless" or antisemitic slander.
Current Status (as of November 2025)
In summary: Real, extensive Israeli elite connections exist (especially via the Maxwells and Barak) that legitimately raise questions about influence-peddling. However, the leap to "Epstein/Maxwell ran a Mossad blackmail ring" depends on discredited sources and speculation—no smoking-gun document has emerged from thousands of pages of court files, FBI materials, or 2025 leaks to prove it. Israeli officials and fact-checkers treat it as debunked or conspiratorial; investigative reporters call it "plausible but unproven."
at the end of the day, youre dealing clandestine/mossad/MI6 operations off the book, done in secret... fi you want you can dive further into the alleged ties between epstein and the CIA/intelligence communities, or the connections with Ehud Barak.
yeah i copied the post from twitter... but it does say:
When Palm Beach police detective Joseph Recarey began investigating Epstein in 2005–2006 and started contacting people in Epstein’s and Trump’s social circle, Trump voluntarily spoke to the detective and shared what he knew (that he had banned Epstein and why).
at the end of the day, he helped with aiding the investigation into epstein
Some of us haven't been following this case closely like many of you have, but I see you are very passionate about this. So I'm genuinely curious what dirt you have on Trump in relation to the Epstien files, what facts are you basing them off, which sources are you using, and what emails are you specifically referring to? See George Constanza's posts above as he just presented a ton of facts (that appear to debunk the assumptions I've been reading in this thread) and then lay out all the dirt/details for us who haven't been studying this case.
I'm not defending Trump in any way or claiming he might never be found guilty of something, and if he did, then I'm fine with him facing the consequences and dealing with charges, as long as every one else on the "list" faces the same consequences. Speaking of "list", is there a known "list" or is that just speculation of everyone?
I've only seen a few emails posted above and George Costanza seems to have squashed any theories about their intended purpose. As for the redacted name, it seems that email has been squashed. But even if not, don't you think it's possible that Trump was hanging at Epstien's house just banging hookers of age? I didn't see Epstien didn't mention anywhere in his email that the person Trump was hanging out with was "15 yrs old".
So what is it that everyone has here that is so convincing that Trump is a pedophile?
As for protecting pedophiles (if there is 100% confirmed a "list"), it's very possible that there are some huge names on that list that could cause carnage, which is why the Biden administration didn't release them either.
"Also, what does it mean when a high profile sex trafficker with a private island, says that “someone” spent hourswith one of his “girls” ? Hm, I’m an idiot of course, but still can put 2 and 2 together huh"
How about banging legal age working girls, like many of them do. They are called escorts, or call girls. This wouldn't surprise me one bit.
I do not think President Trump is a pedophile. I do think he is covering up the behavior of others, and the evidence of that is quite obvious. It does not make it better that other folks could have also released it, he is the one blocking the release of the documents now. His staff bragged they had the files, made a show of it, now they are Lucy pulling away the football.
None of us have Evidence, because the administration is blocking its release.
Posting screenshots of twitter is not posting facts. Trumps DOJ did not go after Epstein, it was the District of NY. We would need details of the Trump Administration supporting that investigation, which I have not found. After the plea deal that was negotiated by the man who would become Trumps labor secretary was found to be lacking. And withing months of being in Federal custody he was dead.
Timeline below from the AP
March 2005
Police in Palm Beach, Florida, begin investigating Epstein after the family of a 14-year-old girl reports she was molested at his mansion. Multiple underage girls, many of them high school students, would later tell police Epstein hired them to give sexual massages.
May 2006
Palm Beach police officials sign paperwork to charge Epstein with multiple counts of unlawful sex with a minor, but the county's top prosecutor, State Attorney Barry Krischer, takes the unusual step of sending the case to a grand jury.
July 2006
Epstein is arrested after a grand jury indicts him on a single count of soliciting prostitution. The relatively minor charge draws almost immediate attention from critics, including Palm Beach police leaders, who assail Krischer publicly and accuse him of giving Epstein special treatment. The FBI begins an investigation.
2007
Federal prosecutors prepare an indictment against Epstein. But for a year, the money manager's lawyers engage in talks with the U.S. attorney in Miami, Alexander Acosta, about a plea bargain that would allow Epstein to avoid a federal prosecution. Epstein's lawyers decry his accusers as unreliable witnesses.
June 2008
Epstein pleads guilty to state charges: one count of solicitating prostitution and one count of soliciting prostitution from someone under the age of 18. He is sentenced to 18 months in jail. Under a secret arrangement, the U.S. attorney's office agrees not to prosecute Epstein for federal crimes. Epstein serves most of his sentence in a work-release program that allows him to leave jail during the day to go to his office, then return at night.
July 2009
Epstein is released from jail. For the next decade, multiple women who say they are Epstein's victims wage a legal fight to get his federal non-prosecution agreement voided, and hold him and others liable for the abuse. One of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Giuffre, says in her lawsuits that, starting when she was 17, Epstein and his girlfriend, Ghislaine Maxwell, set up sexual encounters with royalty, politicians, academicians, businessmen and other rich and powerful men, including Britain's Prince Andrew. All of those men deny the allegations.
November 2018
The Miami Herald revisits the handling of Epstein's case in a series of stories focusing partly on the role of Acosta — who by this point is President Donald Trump's labor secretary — in arranging his unusual plea deal. The coverage renews public interest in the case.
July 6, 2019
Epstein is arrested on federal sex trafficking charges after federal prosecutors in New York conclude they aren't bound by the terms of the earlier non-prosecution deal. Days later, Acosta resigns as labor secretary amid public outrage over his role in the initial investigation.
Aug. 10, 2019
Guards find Epstein dead in his cell at a federal jail in New York City. Investigators conclude he killed himself.
July 2, 2020
Federal prosecutors in New York charge Ghislaine Maxwell with sex crimes, saying she helped recruit the underage girls that Epstein sexually abused and sometimes participated in the abuse herself.
Dec. 30, 2021
After a monthlong trial, a jury convicts Maxwell of multiple charges, including sex trafficking, conspiracy and transportation of a minor for illegal sexual activity.
June 28, 2022
Maxwell is sentenced to 20 years in prison.
January 2024
Public interest in the Epstein case surges after a judge unseals thousands of pages of court records in a civil lawsuit involving one of his victims. Almost all of the information was already public and the dayslong document dump proves disappointing to people who hoped it would spill new secrets about wrongdoing by the rich and powerful. But it fuels demands for even more records to be made public.
2024
Trump, who was in office when Epstein was arrested, suggests during the presidential campaign that he'd seek to open the government's Epstein files.
February 2025
Attorney General Pam Bondi suggests in a Fox News Channel interview that an Epstein "client list" is sitting on her desk. The Justice Department distributes binders marked "declassified" to far-right influencers at the White House, but it quickly becomes clear much of the information had long been in the public domain.
July 7, 2025
The Justice Department says Epstein didn't maintain a "client list" and it won't make any more files related to his sex trafficking investigation public.
July 17, 2025
The Wall Street Journal describes a sexually suggestive letter that the newspaper says bore Trump's name and was included in a 2003 album for Epstein's 50th birthday. Trump denies writing the letter, calling it "false, malicious, and defamatory." The next day Trump sues the paper and media mogul Rupert Murdoch.
*Edited some of my dyslexia
https://youtu.be/sh163n1lJ4M?si=XiLeCy1WMSVjkKcU
Did you get the Thanksgiving info (lie) from the Democrats official Twitter account like everyone else? I hear they had to delete it because it was false, is that true they deleted it?
You guys still clinging to the email thing from yesterday; you ready to admit you were duped again? At least y'all got a quick circle jerk over it
Pit Row
No opinions on the NYT tipping off Epstein? Or you just care about hurting trump and don't really care about going after people who helped Epstein?
I just want to see pedophiles be brought to justice and publicly shamed, I couldn't care less if Trump is in the files or not. Anyone fighting for anything other than the full release of said files is a piece of hot garbage.
What's wrong with letting the evidence play out? I would think the public would want the truth, correct? It's not "TDS" to request this information. I truly hope that our president is cleared of any wrongdoing. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, this is Pam Bondi's fault for saying files are on her desk and then coming out with a statement in July that basically said nothing to see here. It was suspicious to everyone.
Let's not forget that Bill Clinton probably has the most to lose from these files being released, if they exist. I saw an article today where several political figures look really bad, many of which were under Democrat regimes. I guess I just don't see America as Red and Blue. Let's let this thing play out.
I'm still waiting for you to quote and question the people that were spreading the email misinformation yesterday. Why have you not done that? You are so quick to come after me for showing it was misinformation.....
I've been fine with letting it play out, I think today was the first day I posted in this thread but I could be wrong about that since it's been running a while.
Why are others not doing so regarding Trump? I gave an example of something that has far more credibility than what people posted yesterday regarding the email leak, but that's not good enough for them to talk about because it doesn't indicate Trump.
And that's exactly my point, something fake indicating Trump, all hands on deck ready to throw him in prison. I show it was fake and give an example of something else (that doesn't indicate Trump) and it's crickets.
People post fake news indicating Trump and no one questions it.
And the same thing happened again today regarding 2017 Thanksgiving was posted by the Democrats official Twitter account, The left runs with it and doesn't question it all. Now tonight the post has been deleted because it is most likely false.
If you provide information showing Trump not involved you must show 50 different ways how you're certain that that is the case, but if it's something that indicates trump it seems it only just needs to be said and that's good enough
If anything, the emails just validate people's thoughts and opinions on why Trump is working so hard to prevent their release. As stated, I couldn't care less either way, but what's that Shakespeare quote "The lady doth protest too much, me thinks?"
Care to elaborate? The only thing that came out was that the victim testified that she never saw Trump do anything appropriate nor was ever at the island or the estate
Oh and that Democrats tampered with the email to make it look like something it wasn't.
I literally provided you a source from the previous response. If you want to reject that source and use your own vague anecdotal experiences as a counter-argument, that's fine.
Anyone complicit in the matter deserves to be punished, political affiliation aside. Based on the information that's being provided to the public the last few days, if you can't assess the situation critically because of your devotion to a political party, this conversation isn't worth continuing.
Are you talking about the yahoo news article?
It was fake and you didn't think twice about sharing it because it indicated Trump, that's it.
But I show you the email was fake and suddenly your an investigative journalist
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