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11/18/2010 7:55pm
Pt and listen to your radiologist on a weekly basis if you want to stay healthy
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11/18/2010 8:03pm
Thanks, i know how serious a dislocated shoulder is. It's the one injury (besides ACL) that ive never wanted to do! Damnit, as soon as I got up I saw stars and was dizzy. That alone is another reason to stay off the bike for a few weeks.
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11/18/2010 8:09pm Edited Date/Time 11/18/2010 8:10pm
Ddavis wrote:
started getting a little sideways in the rollers and on the last one it bucked me off the side of the bike, i didnt get thrown...
started getting a little sideways in the rollers and on the last one it bucked me off the side of the bike, i didnt get thrown off, it threw me up and over so I came down right on my shoulder/head. Got up and went to grab my arm and i couldnt find it!! I dislocated my shoulder and it felt like it was directly vertical down the side of my body but it was sticking out in a 45 degree angle. Nobody at the track knew how to pop it back in so my dad drove for about 45 minutes til i reached Pomona and the hospital staff were EXCELLENT! They got me in and got it popped back in within 20 minutes of being there. Soo now, final injuries? Dislocated shoulder, black eye, subframe got bent really bad on the 450, and the worst part is now that i dislocated it once it'll pop back out easier now Sad

Does anyone know how to heal from a dislocated shoulder, how to prevent it from popping out again? Physical therapy stuff? Build muscle in my shoulder so it doesnt happen again as easily?

Please keep negative comments out of here.
X3!



I got sick of dealing with the dislocations. For 2 years my shoulder was just "bad". It hurt when I did certain things, but never really popped out. Then it go to the point where if I threw a football (or anything really), picked something up off the ground, or just simply moved my arm the "wrong way" it would pop out. The last straw was when I was riding out in the desert I washed out in a corner going like 10 mph. I stupidly stuck my hand out as I went down and upon contact I felt/heard a crack and tear. 2 seconds later I never felt so much pain my life.



An amazing doctor and $70k later and I'm now 100% (fortunate I have a great PPO insurance...).
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11/18/2010 8:21pm
Oh, and to answer the OP... You can do exercises. Look them up through google. Quite honestly though, whoever told you that you're likely to dislocate it again is absolutely right.

First thing I'd do is go to a good orthopedic specialist and see what they say. If the damage is minimal they might give you some exercises you can do or even refer you to a physical therapist. Even then, if it dislocates a second time you might as well get surgery. It's just going to keep happening more frequently as you cause further damage. When reading on this subject a couple years ago I remember reading a lot of articles that said the first dislocation usually isn't bad (obviously depends on the circumstances), but any further dislocations just means it's going to keep happening if you continue the same physical activities.

Bottom line, just see a doctor and get a definitive answer. Don't do what I did and wait forever and think about your shoulder every time you do something (like riding).

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11/18/2010 8:23pm
I know this has been said many times already but really, let it heal 4-6 weeks. I know it hurts now, and you're dedicated to letting it heal that full term, but in a week when it doesn't bother you anymore you'll be wanting to move it around. I speak from experience, did mine when I was 16, doctors said 4-6 weeks, a week later it felt fine so I went back to normal life. Big mistake there, after several more equally painful dislocations I had to have surgery to repair the damage, and that was terrible to go through. The PT afterwards is enough to make me never want to have it done again, let alone the actual pain from the surgery.
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11/18/2010 8:35pm
GuppyGahoo wrote:
I know this has been said many times already but really, let it heal 4-6 weeks. I know it hurts now, and you're dedicated to letting...
I know this has been said many times already but really, let it heal 4-6 weeks. I know it hurts now, and you're dedicated to letting it heal that full term, but in a week when it doesn't bother you anymore you'll be wanting to move it around. I speak from experience, did mine when I was 16, doctors said 4-6 weeks, a week later it felt fine so I went back to normal life. Big mistake there, after several more equally painful dislocations I had to have surgery to repair the damage, and that was terrible to go through. The PT afterwards is enough to make me never want to have it done again, let alone the actual pain from the surgery.
The PT was slightly painful for me, but the surgery itself couldn't have been any less painful. I had a nerve block done that kept my entire shoulder and arm numb for 12 hours after surgery. Started on percocet after that and stayed on a cloud for 2 weeks haha. After that everything felt great!

The 4-6 week thing is something I agree with though... That was my problem. I'd hurt my shoulder then go back to normal activity 3-4 days later. That's what I get for not seeing a doctor when things first started going bad.
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I dislocated shoulder and tore 2 of rotator cuff tendons. Had surgery and rehab was tough but did it right. End result was full range of motion.Rode 1st time 6mos after surgery was weak felt good and havent looked back.Wore a leatt and I think it what caused the injurys. Just my opinion.
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Ddavis wrote:
started getting a little sideways in the rollers and on the last one it bucked me off the side of the bike, i didnt get thrown...
started getting a little sideways in the rollers and on the last one it bucked me off the side of the bike, i didnt get thrown off, it threw me up and over so I came down right on my shoulder/head. Got up and went to grab my arm and i couldnt find it!! I dislocated my shoulder and it felt like it was directly vertical down the side of my body but it was sticking out in a 45 degree angle. Nobody at the track knew how to pop it back in so my dad drove for about 45 minutes til i reached Pomona and the hospital staff were EXCELLENT! They got me in and got it popped back in within 20 minutes of being there. Soo now, final injuries? Dislocated shoulder, black eye, subframe got bent really bad on the 450, and the worst part is now that i dislocated it once it'll pop back out easier now Sad

Does anyone know how to heal from a dislocated shoulder, how to prevent it from popping out again? Physical therapy stuff? Build muscle in my shoulder so it doesnt happen again as easily?

Please keep negative comments out of here.
put it in a sling and don't do shit for 6 weeks...i'll send you the bill.
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akmx17 wrote:
Once your shoulder pops out once its done. Always gonna be a problem. Welcome to the world of random shoulder pains and surgeries. Have fun with...
Once your shoulder pops out once its done.
Always gonna be a problem.
Welcome to the world of random shoulder pains and surgeries.
Have fun with it!
I know I am.
iudi2006 wrote:
Way to keep to the kid motivated. Seriously, Even if it is true, It's obvious he's worried about the injury and hoping it gets better. Why...
Way to keep to the kid motivated. Seriously, Even if it is true, It's obvious he's worried about the injury and hoping it gets better. Why would you say that?
lmfao.

Are you really going off on me about this?
He would of figured it out eventually.
Why would this unmotivate him?
Its not like this is gonna keep him from riding or racing and keep trying to progress.
It didn't unmotivate me when I was told.
Hell my doctor was the first one to tell me this after my MRI.
I just asked how soon till I can ride again.

Hell its better for him to find out now then after surgery and 6-8 months be wondering why it still hurts at random or doing certain things so he doesn't waist going back to the doctor for him to tell him "Yeah thats normal after any major shoulder surgery".

Meow.
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Looked for ya today DD but never saw you. Sorry about the crash. Heal well.Do your PT. Did anyone get any photos today? That track was awesome! A lot of fun!Smile
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Looked for ya today DD but never saw you. Sorry about the crash. Heal well.Do your PT. Did anyone get any photos today? That track was...
Looked for ya today DD but never saw you. Sorry about the crash. Heal well.Do your PT. Did anyone get any photos today? That track was awesome! A lot of fun!Smile
I saw a young kid taking pictures, do you know who he is?
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11/18/2010 11:27pm Edited Date/Time 11/19/2010 1:58am
Ddavis wrote:
started getting a little sideways in the rollers and on the last one it bucked me off the side of the bike, i didnt get thrown...
started getting a little sideways in the rollers and on the last one it bucked me off the side of the bike, i didnt get thrown off, it threw me up and over so I came down right on my shoulder/head. Got up and went to grab my arm and i couldnt find it!! I dislocated my shoulder and it felt like it was directly vertical down the side of my body but it was sticking out in a 45 degree angle. Nobody at the track knew how to pop it back in so my dad drove for about 45 minutes til i reached Pomona and the hospital staff were EXCELLENT! They got me in and got it popped back in within 20 minutes of being there. Soo now, final injuries? Dislocated shoulder, black eye, subframe got bent really bad on the 450, and the worst part is now that i dislocated it once it'll pop back out easier now Sad

Does anyone know how to heal from a dislocated shoulder, how to prevent it from popping out again? Physical therapy stuff? Build muscle in my shoulder so it doesnt happen again as easily?

Please keep negative comments out of here.
BobbyM wrote:
put it in a sling and don't do shit for 6 weeks...i'll send you the bill.
Dr.BobbyM, I like your hard core, no nonsense, therapeutic advice. Just need you write me a script for some medicinal marijuana. It's legal here in Az now.
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11/19/2010 6:02am
"Please keep negative comments out of here."

You of all people DDavis, seriously? Made me chuckle.

But it is a bummer to hear someone getting banged up, good luck in getting fixed up and back on the bike soon!
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I dislocated both my shoulders one time, did some PT for like 4 weeks after each time, I have never had a problem with either one of them since then.
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11/19/2010 7:27am
Ddavis wrote:
started getting a little sideways in the rollers and on the last one it bucked me off the side of the bike, i didnt get thrown...
started getting a little sideways in the rollers and on the last one it bucked me off the side of the bike, i didnt get thrown off, it threw me up and over so I came down right on my shoulder/head. Got up and went to grab my arm and i couldnt find it!! I dislocated my shoulder and it felt like it was directly vertical down the side of my body but it was sticking out in a 45 degree angle. Nobody at the track knew how to pop it back in so my dad drove for about 45 minutes til i reached Pomona and the hospital staff were EXCELLENT! They got me in and got it popped back in within 20 minutes of being there. Soo now, final injuries? Dislocated shoulder, black eye, subframe got bent really bad on the 450, and the worst part is now that i dislocated it once it'll pop back out easier now Sad

Does anyone know how to heal from a dislocated shoulder, how to prevent it from popping out again? Physical therapy stuff? Build muscle in my shoulder so it doesnt happen again as easily?

Please keep negative comments out of here.
I broke my right collar bone back in 2001, then I've high-sided, cross-rutted to end up landing on the same shoulder time after time. It started popping out randomly but i always could get it back in quickly plus it hurt. Finally I got sick of it and just started throwing some weights around and wearing a shoulder brace that I got from EVS. Trust me it sucks flying through a chucked out track and having you shoulder lock up because it's out of place...I've gotten pretty good at going through whoops one handed although I wouldn't recommend it.

http://www.evs-sports.com/product/shoulder-support/sb04-shoulder-brace/
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mxtime1 wrote:
I dislocated shoulder and tore 2 of rotator cuff tendons. Had surgery and rehab was tough but did it right. End result was full range of...
I dislocated shoulder and tore 2 of rotator cuff tendons. Had surgery and rehab was tough but did it right. End result was full range of motion.Rode 1st time 6mos after surgery was weak felt good and havent looked back.Wore a leatt and I think it what caused the injurys. Just my opinion.
Good point! Shoulder cap on my chest protector caused my first dislocation. I low sided in a fast left hand sweeper, instinctively put out my left arm, as my body slid away from where i planted my hand (think raising my arm up straight out to the side) the shoulder cap wedged against the bottom of my helmet and created a fulcrum. My shoulder popped out as opposed to my humorus snapping. Haven't worn a chest protector since
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Ddavis wrote:
started getting a little sideways in the rollers and on the last one it bucked me off the side of the bike, i didnt get thrown...
started getting a little sideways in the rollers and on the last one it bucked me off the side of the bike, i didnt get thrown off, it threw me up and over so I came down right on my shoulder/head. Got up and went to grab my arm and i couldnt find it!! I dislocated my shoulder and it felt like it was directly vertical down the side of my body but it was sticking out in a 45 degree angle. Nobody at the track knew how to pop it back in so my dad drove for about 45 minutes til i reached Pomona and the hospital staff were EXCELLENT! They got me in and got it popped back in within 20 minutes of being there. Soo now, final injuries? Dislocated shoulder, black eye, subframe got bent really bad on the 450, and the worst part is now that i dislocated it once it'll pop back out easier now Sad

Does anyone know how to heal from a dislocated shoulder, how to prevent it from popping out again? Physical therapy stuff? Build muscle in my shoulder so it doesnt happen again as easily?

Please keep negative comments out of here.
Flesh206 wrote:
I broke my right collar bone back in 2001, then I've high-sided, cross-rutted to end up landing on the same shoulder time after time. It started...
I broke my right collar bone back in 2001, then I've high-sided, cross-rutted to end up landing on the same shoulder time after time. It started popping out randomly but i always could get it back in quickly plus it hurt. Finally I got sick of it and just started throwing some weights around and wearing a shoulder brace that I got from EVS. Trust me it sucks flying through a chucked out track and having you shoulder lock up because it's out of place...I've gotten pretty good at going through whoops one handed although I wouldn't recommend it.

http://www.evs-sports.com/product/shoulder-support/sb04-shoulder-brace/
I have one of those EVS braces, brand new in the package, Devin, if you want it, email me your address.
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akmx17 wrote:
Once your shoulder pops out once its done. Always gonna be a problem. Welcome to the world of random shoulder pains and surgeries. Have fun with...
Once your shoulder pops out once its done.
Always gonna be a problem.
Welcome to the world of random shoulder pains and surgeries.
Have fun with it!
I know I am.
iudi2006 wrote:
Way to keep to the kid motivated. Seriously, Even if it is true, It's obvious he's worried about the injury and hoping it gets better. Why...
Way to keep to the kid motivated. Seriously, Even if it is true, It's obvious he's worried about the injury and hoping it gets better. Why would you say that?
akmx17 wrote:
lmfao. Are you really going off on me about this? He would of figured it out eventually. Why would this unmotivate him? Its not like this...
lmfao.

Are you really going off on me about this?
He would of figured it out eventually.
Why would this unmotivate him?
Its not like this is gonna keep him from riding or racing and keep trying to progress.
It didn't unmotivate me when I was told.
Hell my doctor was the first one to tell me this after my MRI.
I just asked how soon till I can ride again.

Hell its better for him to find out now then after surgery and 6-8 months be wondering why it still hurts at random or doing certain things so he doesn't waist going back to the doctor for him to tell him "Yeah thats normal after any major shoulder surgery".

Meow.
akmx17, I agree that's usually the case as mine was chronically popping out and I eventually had surgery to keep it in place.

However, I have two friends who had one dislocation years ago and continued to ride without any further issues.
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11/19/2010 7:37am Edited Date/Time 11/19/2010 7:38am
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Looked for ya today DD but never saw you. Sorry about the crash. Heal well.Do your PT. Did anyone get any photos today? That track was...
Looked for ya today DD but never saw you. Sorry about the crash. Heal well.Do your PT. Did anyone get any photos today? That track was awesome! A lot of fun!Smile
Ddavis wrote:
I saw a young kid taking pictures, do you know who he is?
That be me, and young? pfff im older than you Wink ahaha, I just downloaded the pictures, i'll post them up soon, i know i got a few of you with your shoulder out. Those rollers are bad luck man i compound fractured my right collarbone there about 8 weeks ago
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That be me, and young? pfff im older than you ahaha, I just downloaded the pictures, i'll post them up soon, i know i got a...
That be me, and young? pfff im older than you Wink ahaha, I just downloaded the pictures, i'll post them up soon, i know i got a few of you with your shoulder out. Those rollers are bad luck man i compound fractured my right collarbone there about 8 weeks ago
Did you see the crash?
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I've popped my left shoulder out 3 times now. Never had it scoped or anything, just popped back in, a sling, and some pain pills. My...
I've popped my left shoulder out 3 times now. Never had it scoped or anything, just popped back in, a sling, and some pain pills. My right one has the cool bump from an AC separation.

The only thing I've noticed is that I'm relatively weak when lifting weights overhead, whereas I'm much stronger doing a bench pressing movement. I don't know if that's even related.

Now, if my knees and lower back didn't hurt all the time, I'd be golden! Cool

Sorry, about your crash dude, glad it wasn't worse.
I have the bump on both shoulders so they matchSilly
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That be me, and young? pfff im older than you ahaha, I just downloaded the pictures, i'll post them up soon, i know i got a...
That be me, and young? pfff im older than you Wink ahaha, I just downloaded the pictures, i'll post them up soon, i know i got a few of you with your shoulder out. Those rollers are bad luck man i compound fractured my right collarbone there about 8 weeks ago
Ddavis wrote:
Did you see the crash?
Last bit, i turned around just to catch the bike flippin up on the berm and u landing kinda on your head/shoulder first
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Friday wrote:
Looked for ya today DD but never saw you. Sorry about the crash. Heal well.Do your PT. Did anyone get any photos today? That track was...
Looked for ya today DD but never saw you. Sorry about the crash. Heal well.Do your PT. Did anyone get any photos today? That track was awesome! A lot of fun!Smile
Ddavis wrote:
I saw a young kid taking pictures, do you know who he is?
ML512 wrote:
That be me, and young? pfff im older than you ahaha, I just downloaded the pictures, i'll post them up soon, i know i got a...
That be me, and young? pfff im older than you Wink ahaha, I just downloaded the pictures, i'll post them up soon, i know i got a few of you with your shoulder out. Those rollers are bad luck man i compound fractured my right collarbone there about 8 weeks ago
Hey Michael! Good meeting you yesterday. Did you get any of me and Swap moto-ing?
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11/19/2010 8:14am Edited Date/Time 11/19/2010 10:34am
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Last bit, i turned around just to catch the bike flippin up on the berm and u landing kinda on your head/shoulder first
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Thanks ML512
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Fix your hair if your gonna put a pic om here LOL! Get better man! Tell the chicks you crashed on a 130ft dowhill triple! , as you were passing Stewart!
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akmx17 wrote:
Once your shoulder pops out once its done. Always gonna be a problem. Welcome to the world of random shoulder pains and surgeries. Have fun with...
Once your shoulder pops out once its done.
Always gonna be a problem.
Welcome to the world of random shoulder pains and surgeries.
Have fun with it!
I know I am.
this is not 100% true. I dislocated my shoulder bad in ice hockey when I was younger. Never had another issue after going to PT and letting it heal.

Now on the other hand, I separated my OTHER shoulder as bad as you can a few years back and it still gets sore/weak when I do certain stuff. My collarbone also sticks out and freaks people out.

Good luck healing up!
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If I take my time, I dont think it'll be that bad. I hope!
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I severely dislocated my right shoulder in a roadracing accident many years ago. My shoulder was basically on my back. It took about 1 hour of 4 really large men yanking on my body to get it back in and they informed that it would be loose for the rest of my life but to leave it in a sling for 4-6 weeks or whatever.

Within 2-4 days I was removing the arm from the sling and exercising it by pushing out, pulling in, etc... I also made a point of holding the arm straight out instead of into my body reasoning that those tendons were loose and held forward they would heal tighter.

Since that accident I have broken my right clavicle 2x and my right shoulder blade 1x and the shoulder has never came out of socket again. I also work out pretty aggressively as well (pull ups often cause dislocations on others, not me). The arm feels 100% normal.

I have a good roadracing friend that dislocated his arm and he followed doctors instructions to a T. And once a month I would be over there yanking on his arm putting it back in socket often just because he would reach for a wrench or something.

Western medicine has a lot to learn about proper health. I shattered my L1 vertebrae exactly 32 days ago now. I'm supposed to be in a full body brace for another 8 weeks or so. I don't wear it and I walk around like a normal person already. (yes it hurts at times) Wearing that brace and limiting movement for 10-12 weeks total would have resulted in arthiritis (in my non-professional, but often injured, opinion) and illness in my back forever.

Good luck w/ your injuries.

There is another thread right now about painkillers. The body actually has a tremendous ability to regenerate itself. I have broken over 20 bones in my life. I have had multiple repair surgeries. 4 weeks ago before I broke my back I felt, moved (and practically looked) like I did when I was 19 years old. It is my opinion that most of this disease that people call aging or old injuries is 95% bad health and nutrition.
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11/19/2010 3:04pm
Ddavis wrote:
If I take my time, I dont think it'll be that bad. I hope!
Youll be fine.
Do PT dont slack.
Do the exorcises they give at home dont slack on those.
If it does hurt, youll get used to it.
Maybe I did come off a little abrupt about always being a problem, but the shoulders and legs are the two worse thing to do any muscle damage too.


Dont rush into riding, take your time, they always make quarterzone shots if you need them =)

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