Money and Motocross

yzthumpa
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11/9/2010 10:51pm
Everyone is affected by the economy, and there is no "inherent value" in riding a motorcycle. Aside from entertainment, it's not like we "need" guys to race MX or society will fall apart. That being said, I'm all for them getting every penny they can. But there is a limited amount of money available. Just as the example asked what happens to a guy like Wey if Reed can only earn $500K, the opposite is true as well - i.e., if there is a limited amount of money and guys like Reed, Stewart, and Dungey get 10 mil each, then what's left for the little guys?
Huckster
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11/10/2010 3:07am
UpTiTe wrote:
Motocross is a niche sport, and it will always be. Riders will never make ball player money. 5 million people don't gather around thier TV's every...
Motocross is a niche sport, and it will always be. Riders will never make ball player money. 5 million people don't gather around thier TV's every week to watch MX. A million people a week don't pay 75 bucks a ticket 19 weeks out of the year to fill multiple stadiums to watch supercross, sad but true.

Every rider is getting what he is worth.
The yankees TV package produces more revenue than probably all the factory budgets combined....The Yankees are probably a bad example but your point is spot on and people need to get over it and move on....
yz763
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11/10/2010 6:52am
These factories can't shit $10,000 bills. They only have so much money to work with. If the top 10 guys price themselves out of factory rides, you could see a lot more guys on the gates getting paid less and riding inferior equipment. The viewing public has no clue they are riding inferior equipment. Realistically, this will never happen.

MX/SX is what it is from the general viewing public. Dirt bikes jumping shit. Until SX/MX starts marketing like the X-games, you're going to see budgets cut and salaries go to bonuses. It's sad but unfortunately this is the way economics works.
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11/10/2010 7:38am
So sad that peeps with no facts blab on here about what riders should be making?? This is real life, open your eyes and get educated. Start your own business pay your employees every week (before you get paid) and see how hard it really is to make a profit. I know I have owned my own company for 12 yrs and my men get paid every week whether I get paid or not and they get paid what the demand will support. Riders are lucky to have any offer these days

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11/10/2010 7:46am
Scrub124 wrote:
Im going to preface this post by saying that this is just my opinion, and I dont work in the industry, so my opinion is just...
Im going to preface this post by saying that this is just my opinion, and I dont work in the industry, so my opinion is just as good as the rest of yours.

Having said that, Im sick of hearing people say they think riders should lower their asking price to race. This is a high risk sport, and If you're good enough to be at the top, you deserve substantial compensation for that. Period. Guys like Stewart, Reed, Dungey, Villopoto, Canard, ect. They worked hard to get where they are, and they should not race for free. On top of that, people forget that the top guys set the benchmark for the rest of the riders. For example, if Reed is only making 500,000 a year, what does that mean for a guy like Nick Wey. It means that if this continues, they are not going to be able to make any money. Its bad for the sport. If you want motocross to progress as a sport, you need its athletes to be making top dollar and be larger than life. Do you think Kobe Bryant is hittin 3's for 300,000 a season? Do you think Shaq is missing free throws for a 6 digit income. The fact that Stewart could sell one of his car and pay Josh grant for a season is a bad thing. IMO.

PS. Pourcel knows the risks of this sport far too well, so Mcgrath can suck a dick.
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11/10/2010 7:52am Edited Date/Time 11/10/2010 7:52am
mx is the crummyest professional sport you could ever be into unless you are in top 5. the top 3 really. if your a 10th place rider your not gettin payed enough you gonna have to work someday an prolly the rest of your life cause you wasted years away raceing. top 3 guys make a living an retire an dont have to work. its 300 buks to make a lites main event. thats sad the whole sport needs to be re calculated.baseball guys could sit on the bench never play an make a living somethings wrong
Scrub124
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11/10/2010 7:55am
englishman wrote:
Hahahahahahaha Reallyyyy? Nice
bama205
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11/10/2010 8:14am
HEY! this may be stupid!! BUT its also dumb
lumpy790
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11/10/2010 8:23am Edited Date/Time 11/10/2010 8:24am
Reed is still a top athlete in our sport so I seriously doubt his asking asking price was only a $500k salary. I would guess more like 2M a year + bonus money.



We were approached by a AX team who wanted $$K plus bonus $ for making the podium. 1st - $1500 2nd - $750 3rd - $500 per round....per sponsor..and that was for AX!
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11/10/2010 8:34am
SwapperMX wrote:
Yeah, that was right, I think he was third highest paid Australian sportsman behind Greg Norman and Mark Webber !! I dont know why anyone doubted...
Yeah, that was right, I think he was third highest paid Australian sportsman behind Greg Norman and Mark Webber !!

I dont know why anyone doubted it !!

Notice also that most were still riding two strokes then, and you had a choice of what you rode, 2 or 4. Now that it is purely four stroke, and there is no money left. Funny how it seems to go hand in hand.
Yea... I'm sure the four strokes are what caused the global economy to crash. Dipshit...
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11/10/2010 8:55am
It would make racing a lot better if 40 guys in each class could make a living racing. Then you would have 40 guys who can put 100% of their life into training and practicing for mx. You have a lot of privateers like myself that have to work full time to pay bills and make it to the races cause you lose money racing sx and outdoors. So while im working all day dungey, stewart, reed, etc. are busting out laps on a fully prepped sx track and this is fair? Not exactly but because they were lucky enough to get paid to race they are able to take their racing to another level. This sport is all about how much you have or the people backing you have. It would be better if everyone got paid enough to make racing there only job, but with the economy and manufactures not selling these high dollar 4 strokes there is no money for our sport. Maybe someone could step up the purse and actually pay us something. Ha doubt it. The monster girls are more important than the riders. I make way more money racing locally than I do racing sx or outdoors. Sad that local tracks can have bigger purses than a SX. Something seems wrong with that to me but what do I know im just a struggling pro privateer.
ando
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11/10/2010 8:56am
SwapperMX wrote:
Yeah, that was right, I think he was third highest paid Australian sportsman behind Greg Norman and Mark Webber !! I dont know why anyone doubted...
Yeah, that was right, I think he was third highest paid Australian sportsman behind Greg Norman and Mark Webber !!

I dont know why anyone doubted it !!

Notice also that most were still riding two strokes then, and you had a choice of what you rode, 2 or 4. Now that it is purely four stroke, and there is no money left. Funny how it seems to go hand in hand.
Sorry but that's a flawed argument. You can't pin the root cause of a problem by association.

It's like saying that all cars involved in accidents had steering wheels, therefore steering wheels cause accidents.
BobbyM
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11/10/2010 2:51pm
BobbyM wrote:
you can break yer fucking neck racing 125 novice class too...those are the guy that are actually stupid for racing using yer lamedick logic
Scrub124 wrote:
Thank you Guy who is clearly literate...
Thank you Guy who is clearly literate...

–adjective
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2. having or showing knowledge of literature, writing, etc.; literary; well-read.
3. characterized by skill, lucidity, polish, or the like: His writing is literate but cold and clinical.
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5. having an education; educated.

why thank you scrub
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11/10/2010 2:54pm
BobbyM wrote:
[b]Thank you Guy who is clearly literate...[/b] –adjective 1. able to read and write. 2. having or showing knowledge of literature, writing, etc.; literary; well-read. 3...
Thank you Guy who is clearly literate...

–adjective
1. able to read and write.
2. having or showing knowledge of literature, writing, etc.; literary; well-read.
3. characterized by skill, lucidity, polish, or the like: His writing is literate but cold and clinical.
4. having knowledge or skill in a specified field: literate in computer usage.
5. having an education; educated.

why thank you scrub
Check out the definition of sarcasm while you're reading the dictionary too.
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11/10/2010 5:12pm
This kid is the shit. He tells MC to suck a dick, and it's really no big deal.

I on the other hand, disagree with what the King said, and I catch much more shit.


Scrub:

You have this motoboard shit bud.

Carry on.

Scrub124
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11/10/2010 7:05pm
jmar wrote:
This kid is the shit. He tells MC to suck a dick, and it's really no big deal. I on the other hand, disagree with what...
This kid is the shit. He tells MC to suck a dick, and it's really no big deal.

I on the other hand, disagree with what the King said, and I catch much more shit.


Scrub:

You have this motoboard shit bud.

Carry on.

The right way to do it is to write so many things that these guys (who, btw, Im sure have much more credibility than me....) will disagree with, that they forget that I told their beloved MC to fuck off. Filler is key. I commend you for saying you disagree with MC to a bunch of guys who jerk off to his pictures every night. High five.
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11/11/2010 1:33am Edited Date/Time 11/11/2010 1:36am
Instead of blaming the promoters for being greedy[its bussiness,they suck] and instead of blaming our top 5 riders[there greedy they suck]and dont blame manufacturers as there budget is stretched our sport needs promotion from grass roots, so clubs need to get the promotion officer writing reports for local news instead of some parent running the club to his kids advantage, grass roots has no promotion and our sport will never grow without it, when promo becomes an order to all involved from our affiliating boddies then we have a chance,the local media promotes every other sport because it matters to the people involved.
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11/11/2010 4:57am Edited Date/Time 11/11/2010 4:58am
powDIRT wrote:
Haha... I'm sure Chad Reed made the same amount of money in 2004 as Alex Rodriguez.
Scrub124 wrote:
according to an Australian 60minutes type news report 24 million was the rumored figure. Stewart made 10 million in 2009 in a poor economy, so....
We are are still in a poor economy and Stewart would make more in endorsements,he has giants like Nike onboard after all,but Reed,$24 million?? I seriously doubt that. It doesn't matter what level of the sport you're at,the injury risk is the same
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11/11/2010 5:12am Edited Date/Time 11/11/2010 5:14am
Old Mate wrote:
Instead of blaming the promoters for being greedy[its bussiness,they suck] and instead of blaming our top 5 riders[there greedy they suck]and dont blame manufacturers as there...
Instead of blaming the promoters for being greedy[its bussiness,they suck] and instead of blaming our top 5 riders[there greedy they suck]and dont blame manufacturers as there budget is stretched our sport needs promotion from grass roots, so clubs need to get the promotion officer writing reports for local news instead of some parent running the club to his kids advantage, grass roots has no promotion and our sport will never grow without it, when promo becomes an order to all involved from our affiliating boddies then we have a chance,the local media promotes every other sport because it matters to the people involved.
Hey old mate,

Very well said and so true. A couple of problems I have seen lately being in the industry. The promotion of grass roots competition is a huge one. While I was working at a retail level, I had a lot of people coming to me to find out about getting involved in the sport, mainly due to the coaching courses that I had advertised in store. Everyone said the same thing. They wanted to get involved, just didnt know how. Most didnt know Motorcycling Australia even existed, and those few that did, said they were absolutely no help at all. I had issues with MA also, with the employees that I had dealt with seemingly having no real interest in our sport (motorcycling, not just motocross), and from the outside, it seems it is purely a business and not a core foundation that is trying to progress our sport forward as best as possible.

Also, the couple of clubs I have tried to offer my assistance and time to, have a committee that has been doing it forever, is scared of new ideas, and almost seemed to be doing it for themselves. Now I know it wouldn't be an easy job at all, but a couple of modern business ideals would go a long way in my opinion.

The last problem is cost. Now I will probably get flamed for this, but I have seen it with my own eyes from the inside. The number of riders forced from our sport due to the costs involved, specifically with keeping a four stroke motor together, has been way, way too high. Now I know our sport has had a high turn over of riders from year to year, but the four strokes have seriously exxagerated the problem in my opinion.
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11/11/2010 6:28am
its a free market society applying the laws of supply and demand. If a team thought Pourcel was worth his asking price, they would of gladly paid it. Your price can only be worth what the market can bear. Economics 101
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11/11/2010 6:55am
The salaries are tied with your productivity. How much do you make your company earn? Thats the question. What diference makes for a company to have Chris or not? that's the question.

Money doesn't grow in trees you know?
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11/11/2010 7:14am
Rudeboy119 wrote:
its a free market society applying the laws of supply and demand. If a team thought Pourcel was worth his asking price, they would of gladly...
its a free market society applying the laws of supply and demand. If a team thought Pourcel was worth his asking price, they would of gladly paid it. Your price can only be worth what the market can bear. Economics 101
i think that after the recession, companies took a good look at where their money was wasted and regardless of where this economy goes, we'll probably never see the type of spending from them like before. this is obviously not just the motorsports industry, but let's face it most of us work for less today or have additional responsibilities; but even then most of us can be replaced by just as qualified replacements that will work for the same or less, which sucks!

as for pourcel, he should fire his manager if he doesn't get a ride. regardless of whatever pourcel thinks he's worth, that guys job is to put deals together which means controlling both sides of the table. none of us will probably ever know what he finally settles for, but i'd bet it is gonna be less than he was offered already.

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11/11/2010 7:26am
ando wrote:
I agree with most of what you said, except this..."you deserve substantial compensation". The risk factor has got zero to do with what athletes get paid...
I agree with most of what you said, except this..."you deserve substantial compensation".

The risk factor has got zero to do with what athletes get paid, it's got entirely to do with their popularity and the marketability of the sport.
...and results.
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11/11/2010 7:53am Edited Date/Time 11/11/2010 9:48am
ando wrote:
I agree with most of what you said, except this..."you deserve substantial compensation". The risk factor has got zero to do with what athletes get paid...
I agree with most of what you said, except this..."you deserve substantial compensation".

The risk factor has got zero to do with what athletes get paid, it's got entirely to do with their popularity and the marketability of the sport.
GuyB wrote:
...and results.
results ?
if that was the case then how did Jlaw get $$ for a team ?

Economics 101, value is determined by the amount someone is willing to pay.
a kid 21 has no respect for MC ? (consider the source )
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A 450 cost around 12 500 in Sweden. Do you think the sport fighting for it's existens? There is now not one single rider who gets a dime. Of course they are selling less bikes every year and the bandwagon going steep downhill. No money, No "stars", No interests. No new bikes sales. Don't see a solution? On the other side "we" have soldiers fighting and dying so we can enjoy a this sport, a "hobby"! I don't have a clue what they earn, but everyone out there are in real danger. And i wouldn't have bullits flying over my head for any of the MX-stars cars, or salary! So i guess we should put our feets on the ground and enjoy our sport as long as possible with or without salary? And don't forget that MC was one of the mainforces, to bring salarys and pricemoney up to a decent level for many riders.....
Scrub124
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11/11/2010 9:42am
PressPassP wrote:
We are are still in a poor economy and Stewart would make more in endorsements,he has giants like Nike onboard after all,but Reed,$24 million?? I seriously...
We are are still in a poor economy and Stewart would make more in endorsements,he has giants like Nike onboard after all,but Reed,$24 million?? I seriously doubt that. It doesn't matter what level of the sport you're at,the injury risk is the same
I posted the video that says he made 24 million on this board. Watch it if you dont believe me. He was Australia's highest paid sportsman in 2004.
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11/11/2010 9:49am
This sport is broke dick. Always has been except for a few elite at the very top.

The stars of this sport dont send their kids racing MX. Whats that tell you?

The future is dull, or dead for this sport.
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11/11/2010 9:56am
Roscoe33 wrote:
results ? if that was the case then how did Jlaw get $$ for a team ? Economics 101, value is determined by the amount someone...
results ?
if that was the case then how did Jlaw get $$ for a team ?

Economics 101, value is determined by the amount someone is willing to pay.
a kid 21 has no respect for MC ? (consider the source )
Should I respect MC? He took his entire interview to make bitter comments about reed for racing for the love of racing, downing Stewart who is faster and more talented on a motorcylce than MC in every way, and to bash Pourcel for having some self worth. I understand Economics 101 pretty well. Thanks for the lesson. Btw, Jlaw got money for his team because him and his people were smart enough to go outside the industry to bring in support. Thats called being resourceful and marketing yourself, but you didn't know that, so maybe I should (consider the source).
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11/11/2010 10:31am
Roscoe33 wrote:
results ? if that was the case then how did Jlaw get $$ for a team ? Economics 101, value is determined by the amount someone...
results ?
if that was the case then how did Jlaw get $$ for a team ?

Economics 101, value is determined by the amount someone is willing to pay.
a kid 21 has no respect for MC ? (consider the source )
Scrub124 wrote:
Should I respect MC? He took his entire interview to make bitter comments about reed for racing for the love of racing, downing Stewart who is...
Should I respect MC? He took his entire interview to make bitter comments about reed for racing for the love of racing, downing Stewart who is faster and more talented on a motorcylce than MC in every way, and to bash Pourcel for having some self worth. I understand Economics 101 pretty well. Thanks for the lesson. Btw, Jlaw got money for his team because him and his people were smart enough to go outside the industry to bring in support. Thats called being resourceful and marketing yourself, but you didn't know that, so maybe I should (consider the source).
I agree with you, Scrub.

Didn't Honda make an offer to Pourcel? MC is probably just butt-hurt that Christophe didn't jump on the opportunity.

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