MXoN - Sunday: Races

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10/5/2025 3:04pm
themx11 wrote:
I’ll leave it at this. Next year, if someone gets injured, all I’m saying is RJs name should not even be in the conversation as a replacement...

I’ll leave it at this. 

Next year, if someone gets injured, all I’m saying is RJs name should not even be in the conversation as a replacement. And it’s going to annoy the shit out of me just like all of you guys saying Craig deeerved to go in 22. 

I appreciate the guy riding his heart out, but I want team USA to win, and he is the opposite of clutch. And that was an all time choke job. 

Who do you think would have helped them win today? RC?

What won’t help them in the future is an mx3 rider who crashes 6 times on race day. 

Hopefully next year is Deegan tomac and Hymas. 

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You could also look at it like he crashed and kept getting back up and giving 100% effort.  Until he just couldn't give anymore.  The heart...

You could also look at it like he crashed and kept getting back up and giving 100% effort.  Until he just couldn't give anymore.  The heart it takes to keep getting back up and going after it is what is needed. He stepped up to race last minute , and gave it his all. I missed the last moto ,I had to help my mother out. I'm gonna try and watch it later tonight. 

 If he and Cooper did not step up and race, the US may not have even raced at our home race. Yah I know that's unlikely, but of the healthy riders , they were the best options and they came closer to pulling off a win than I thought they would. WIth Cooper stepping down to ride the 250 after being on a 450 for a while now. And both he and RJ not having much time to prepare. I really don't think its a case of being nice because RJ is a nice guy, its a case of chill out dude, he tried so hard he crashed 6 times.

 

 I didn't look at the final points, but what spot would RJ have had to get, to make it impact the overall results? Was it possible for the US to win?  If it wouldn't make any difference unless he won a moto or got a result that was impossible at the point he pulled off, than it's a bit ridiculous to give him a hard time for pulling off when he knew the moto result no longer mattered. 

Press516 wrote:

If Rick had gone 2-3, moving Jett to P4, we still would have lost.

We needed more people between Jcoop and Webster but they either crashed out or got penalized.

And that’s why Webster is the unsung hero of the Aussie success; even though he crashed on both starts and had to come through from last, he still managed to get within a few spots of JCoop, who had decent starts and didn’t crash.

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The only chance we would have had to win was a healthy Sexton and Deegan.  Otherwise, the Hunter Brothers win no matter what.  2nd is best we can do next to the two fastest brothers in the world, and we did it.

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10/5/2025 3:07pm Edited Date/Time 10/5/2025 3:10pm
themx11 wrote:

What won’t help them in the future is an mx3 rider who crashes 6 times on race day. 

Hopefully next year is Deegan tomac and Hymas. 

You’d rather have Deegan who gooned himself into an injury 2 weeks before the MXoN? By your logic, he didn’t even make it as far as practice before putting himself out of contention.

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We as a team used RJ‘s seventh place in our scoring, which means that he contributed to our second place. This was a team  effort and...

We as a team used RJ‘s seventh place in our scoring, which means that he contributed to our second place. This was a team  effort and one of the scores has to be dropped no matter who it is or what the reason for that score is. RJ did his part and we barely held off team France for second place thanks to Eli‘s heroic ride in the third Moto. I say again, great job team, USA!

It’s only annoying because it’s not like this was a 1 time thing where he just had a bad day and went down multiple times lol this was a classic RJ moment where he did the thing he’s known for and that’s what makes it so frustrating. 

Like genuinely when he was selected this was pretty much what I expected he would do based on his history. 

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10/5/2025 3:11pm
Press516 wrote:

If Rick had gone 2-3, moving Jett to P4, we still would have lost.

We needed more people between Jcoop and Webster but they either crashed out or got penalized.

CPR wrote:
And that’s why Webster is the unsung hero of the Aussie success; even though he crashed on both starts and had to come through from last...

And that’s why Webster is the unsung hero of the Aussie success; even though he crashed on both starts and had to come through from last, he still managed to get within a few spots of JCoop, who had decent starts and didn’t crash.

Yea he got a lot of help from guys crashing and penalized riders. Still a great ride but really it’s the Lawrence brothers who got it done.

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Time to open your wallet and renew Jo's contract, HRC.

This puts HRC in a real quandary- do they need/would they run THREE 450 guys?? I know Jo can stay 250 for now, and surely going in...

This puts HRC in a real quandary- do they need/would they run THREE 450 guys?? 

I know Jo can stay 250 for now, and surely going in to ‘26 he’ll be the favourite indoors and out, but what after that??

Lars has mentioned that HRC would run a 3rd 450 for Jo when it comes time for him to move up. 

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You could also look at it like he crashed and kept getting back up and giving 100% effort.  Until he just couldn't give anymore.  The heart...

You could also look at it like he crashed and kept getting back up and giving 100% effort.  Until he just couldn't give anymore.  The heart it takes to keep getting back up and going after it is what is needed. He stepped up to race last minute , and gave it his all. I missed the last moto ,I had to help my mother out. I'm gonna try and watch it later tonight. 

 If he and Cooper did not step up and race, the US may not have even raced at our home race. Yah I know that's unlikely, but of the healthy riders , they were the best options and they came closer to pulling off a win than I thought they would. WIth Cooper stepping down to ride the 250 after being on a 450 for a while now. And both he and RJ not having much time to prepare. I really don't think its a case of being nice because RJ is a nice guy, its a case of chill out dude, he tried so hard he crashed 6 times.

 

 I didn't look at the final points, but what spot would RJ have had to get, to make it impact the overall results? Was it possible for the US to win?  If it wouldn't make any difference unless he won a moto or got a result that was impossible at the point he pulled off, than it's a bit ridiculous to give him a hard time for pulling off when he knew the moto result no longer mattered. 

Press516 wrote:

If Rick had gone 2-3, moving Jett to P4, we still would have lost.

We needed more people between Jcoop and Webster but they either crashed out or got penalized.

Yes, I was sure that JCoop would put up a single digit in moto 2, maybe a 6 or 7.  And if Rick completed the P2 in that moto, there would have been some intrigue going into moto 3.

We still get P2, which was the consensus going in.  AUS just wins by more than we like to see.  

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10/5/2025 3:15pm
Press516 wrote:

If Rick had gone 2-3, moving Jett to P4, we still would have lost.

We needed more people between Jcoop and Webster but they either crashed out or got penalized.

CPR wrote:
And that’s why Webster is the unsung hero of the Aussie success; even though he crashed on both starts and had to come through from last...

And that’s why Webster is the unsung hero of the Aussie success; even though he crashed on both starts and had to come through from last, he still managed to get within a few spots of JCoop, who had decent starts and didn’t crash.

I think they have JCoop both bad gate picks. He came from outside the top 20 to 10th. He didn’t crash like Webster but they weren’t decent starts.

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themx11 wrote:

What won’t help them in the future is an mx3 rider who crashes 6 times on race day. 

Hopefully next year is Deegan tomac and Hymas. 

You’d rather have Deegan who gooned himself into an injury 2 weeks before the MXoN? By your logic, he didn’t even make it as far as...

You’d rather have Deegan who gooned himself into an injury 2 weeks before the MXoN? By your logic, he didn’t even make it as far as practice before putting himself out of contention.

I’m actually dumbfounded at how horrible of an argument that is. 

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themx11 wrote:

Lmfao. You guys are too nice. I watched RJ try to pass a guy in the same rut on the inside. C class shit. 

matze wrote:

Alright, bartender says youre done

That american light beer must be stronger than I thought 😁

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10/5/2025 3:18pm
themx11 wrote:

Lmfao. You guys are too nice. I watched RJ try to pass a guy in the same rut on the inside. C class shit. 

matze wrote:

Alright, bartender says youre done

Mavetism wrote:

That american light beer must be stronger than I thought 😁

More sober than anyone else on this website. Apparently I’m just the only one who wants to win and not hand out participation medals because he’s a nice guy who stepped up. 

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10/5/2025 3:20pm
themx11 wrote:
More sober than anyone else on this website. Apparently I’m just the only one who wants to win and not hand out participation medals because he’s...

More sober than anyone else on this website. Apparently I’m just the only one who wants to win and not hand out participation medals because he’s a nice guy who stepped up. 

RIIIIIIIIIIGHT🙄

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10/5/2025 3:22pm
pilotdude wrote:
We as a team used RJ‘s seventh place in our scoring, which means that he contributed to our second place. This was a team  effort and...

We as a team used RJ‘s seventh place in our scoring, which means that he contributed to our second place. This was a team  effort and one of the scores has to be dropped no matter who it is or what the reason for that score is. RJ did his part and we barely held off team France for second place thanks to Eli‘s heroic ride in the third Moto. I say again, great job team, USA!

Joey98 wrote:
It’s only annoying because it’s not like this was a 1 time thing where he just had a bad day and went down multiple times lol...

It’s only annoying because it’s not like this was a 1 time thing where he just had a bad day and went down multiple times lol this was a classic RJ moment where he did the thing he’s known for and that’s what makes it so frustrating. 

Like genuinely when he was selected this was pretty much what I expected he would do based on his history. 

As I said before, RJ‘s seventh contributed to our second place. He did his part to get our best result possible.  There was no scenario today where anyone was going to beat team Australia. It just wasn’t going to happen. Now IF we had the team of Tomac, Deegan, Sexton we MIGHT have had a different result, but that is not the team we had this year.

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pilotdude wrote:
We as a team used RJ‘s seventh place in our scoring, which means that he contributed to our second place. This was a team  effort and...

We as a team used RJ‘s seventh place in our scoring, which means that he contributed to our second place. This was a team  effort and one of the scores has to be dropped no matter who it is or what the reason for that score is. RJ did his part and we barely held off team France for second place thanks to Eli‘s heroic ride in the third Moto. I say again, great job team, USA!

Joey98 wrote:
It’s only annoying because it’s not like this was a 1 time thing where he just had a bad day and went down multiple times lol...

It’s only annoying because it’s not like this was a 1 time thing where he just had a bad day and went down multiple times lol this was a classic RJ moment where he did the thing he’s known for and that’s what makes it so frustrating. 

Like genuinely when he was selected this was pretty much what I expected he would do based on his history. 

pilotdude wrote:
As I said before, RJ‘s seventh contributed to our second place. He did his part to get our best result possible.  There was no scenario today...

As I said before, RJ‘s seventh contributed to our second place. He did his part to get our best result possible.  There was no scenario today where anyone was going to beat team Australia. It just wasn’t going to happen. Now IF we had the team of Tomac, Deegan, Sexton we MIGHT have had a different result, but that is not the team we had this year.

This makes sense. 

but let’s agree that going forward, to achieve our best possible result, we need to leave RJ at home. 

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themx11 wrote:

I’m actually dumbfounded at how horrible of an argument that is. 

See?

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pilotdude wrote:
We as a team used RJ‘s seventh place in our scoring, which means that he contributed to our second place. This was a team  effort and...

We as a team used RJ‘s seventh place in our scoring, which means that he contributed to our second place. This was a team  effort and one of the scores has to be dropped no matter who it is or what the reason for that score is. RJ did his part and we barely held off team France for second place thanks to Eli‘s heroic ride in the third Moto. I say again, great job team, USA!

Joey98 wrote:
It’s only annoying because it’s not like this was a 1 time thing where he just had a bad day and went down multiple times lol...

It’s only annoying because it’s not like this was a 1 time thing where he just had a bad day and went down multiple times lol this was a classic RJ moment where he did the thing he’s known for and that’s what makes it so frustrating. 

Like genuinely when he was selected this was pretty much what I expected he would do based on his history. 

pilotdude wrote:
As I said before, RJ‘s seventh contributed to our second place. He did his part to get our best result possible.  There was no scenario today...

As I said before, RJ‘s seventh contributed to our second place. He did his part to get our best result possible.  There was no scenario today where anyone was going to beat team Australia. It just wasn’t going to happen. Now IF we had the team of Tomac, Deegan, Sexton we MIGHT have had a different result, but that is not the team we had this year.

Absolutely!  It’s remarkable how clueless some of these guys are…. 

I think Sexton, Tomac and Deegan make it close.  But that wasn’t an option.

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10/5/2025 3:35pm Edited Date/Time 10/5/2025 3:39pm

@themx11 
Tomac 4 - 2 (6)
RJ 2 - 4 (+6) – this being the best he or any other American could possibly have done
Cooper 10 (+10)

USA with 22 points still loses to Australia's 19.

You'd have to beat Jett and Hunter to win. Sexton has done it a handful of times in dozens of attempts. 

Deegan would have needed a 7th, along with RJ or Sexton's hypothetical 2 - 4.

No matter who Team USA sent, Webster would have to DNF to give them the hollow victory. 

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pilotdude wrote:
As I said before, RJ‘s seventh contributed to our second place. He did his part to get our best result possible.  There was no scenario today...

As I said before, RJ‘s seventh contributed to our second place. He did his part to get our best result possible.  There was no scenario today where anyone was going to beat team Australia. It just wasn’t going to happen. Now IF we had the team of Tomac, Deegan, Sexton we MIGHT have had a different result, but that is not the team we had this year.

No scenario anyone beats team Australia? Belgium probably could've done it had Sacha's bike not died and Lucas doesn't crash. Surprised how little buzz there seems to be around Belgium's performance

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pilotdude wrote:
As I said before, RJ‘s seventh contributed to our second place. He did his part to get our best result possible.  There was no scenario today...

As I said before, RJ‘s seventh contributed to our second place. He did his part to get our best result possible.  There was no scenario today where anyone was going to beat team Australia. It just wasn’t going to happen. Now IF we had the team of Tomac, Deegan, Sexton we MIGHT have had a different result, but that is not the team we had this year.

Juck wrote:
No scenario anyone beats team Australia? Belgium probably could've done it had Sacha's bike not died and Lucas doesn't crash. Surprised how little buzz there seems...

No scenario anyone beats team Australia? Belgium probably could've done it had Sacha's bike not died and Lucas doesn't crash. Surprised how little buzz there seems to be around Belgium's performance

Belgium are going to be a force to be reckoned with for some time to come. They experienced some typical MXdN bad luck but will be the better for it. There was hardly any Everts talk, he was quietly very good.

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10/5/2025 3:45pm Edited Date/Time 10/5/2025 3:54pm
pilotdude wrote:
As I said before, RJ‘s seventh contributed to our second place. He did his part to get our best result possible.  There was no scenario today...

As I said before, RJ‘s seventh contributed to our second place. He did his part to get our best result possible.  There was no scenario today where anyone was going to beat team Australia. It just wasn’t going to happen. Now IF we had the team of Tomac, Deegan, Sexton we MIGHT have had a different result, but that is not the team we had this year.

Juck wrote:
No scenario anyone beats team Australia? Belgium probably could've done it had Sacha's bike not died and Lucas doesn't crash. Surprised how little buzz there seems...

No scenario anyone beats team Australia? Belgium probably could've done it had Sacha's bike not died and Lucas doesn't crash. Surprised how little buzz there seems to be around Belgium's performance

Lucas (2 + 10) and Liam (4 + 7) had 23 points between them, without Sacha's scores. 

If Sacha went 9 - 9, knocking out Lucas' 10th, then he and Lucas (2 + 9 + 9) have 20 points before you add Liam's 11.

Give Lucas a 2 + 3 (5), Sacha 3 + 4 (7), Liam 3 + 5 (8) and they still have 20 to Australia's 19.

 

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kbsci wrote:
@themx11 Tomac 4 - 2 (6)RJ 2 - 4 (+6) – this being the best he or any other American could possibly have doneCooper 10 (+10)USA...

@themx11 
Tomac 4 - 2 (6)
RJ 2 - 4 (+6) – this being the best he or any other American could possibly have done
Cooper 10 (+10)

USA with 22 points still loses to Australia's 19.

You'd have to beat Jett and Hunter to win. Sexton has done it a handful of times in dozens of attempts. 

Deegan would have needed a 7th, along with RJ or Sexton's hypothetical 2 - 4.

No matter who Team USA sent, Webster would have to DNF to give them the hollow victory. 

That’s not exactly true. He beat Hunter a lot. Chase for sure does better than RJ.  Deegan healthy beats JCoop. It was definitely do-able.

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pilotdude wrote:
As I said before, RJ‘s seventh contributed to our second place. He did his part to get our best result possible.  There was no scenario today...

As I said before, RJ‘s seventh contributed to our second place. He did his part to get our best result possible.  There was no scenario today where anyone was going to beat team Australia. It just wasn’t going to happen. Now IF we had the team of Tomac, Deegan, Sexton we MIGHT have had a different result, but that is not the team we had this year.

Juck wrote:
No scenario anyone beats team Australia? Belgium probably could've done it had Sacha's bike not died and Lucas doesn't crash. Surprised how little buzz there seems...

No scenario anyone beats team Australia? Belgium probably could've done it had Sacha's bike not died and Lucas doesn't crash. Surprised how little buzz there seems to be around Belgium's performance

Nope.  Belgium wasn’t going to either…and didn’t.  Team Aussie is top dog currently.

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Chase in MXGP 2-2. Eli in Open 2-3. Then Deegan just needs 9th.

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@themx11 Tomac 4 - 2 (6)RJ 2 - 4 (+6) – this being the best he or any other American could possibly have doneCooper 10 (+10)USA...

@themx11 
Tomac 4 - 2 (6)
RJ 2 - 4 (+6) – this being the best he or any other American could possibly have done
Cooper 10 (+10)

USA with 22 points still loses to Australia's 19.

You'd have to beat Jett and Hunter to win. Sexton has done it a handful of times in dozens of attempts. 

Deegan would have needed a 7th, along with RJ or Sexton's hypothetical 2 - 4.

No matter who Team USA sent, Webster would have to DNF to give them the hollow victory. 

That’s not exactly true. He beat Hunter a lot. Chase for sure does better than RJ.  Deegan healthy beats JCoop. It was definitely do-able.

It’s actually against current law to use the name Chase Sexton and the phrase “for sure” in the same sentence when predicting race results.

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Who do you think would have helped them win today? RC?

RC is out in his sprinter van replacing transmissions for Triumph during the week so its hard to get any seat time. 


 

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We needed more people between Jcoop and Webster but they either crashed out or got penalized.

CPR wrote:
And that’s why Webster is the unsung hero of the Aussie success; even though he crashed on both starts and had to come through from last...

And that’s why Webster is the unsung hero of the Aussie success; even though he crashed on both starts and had to come through from last, he still managed to get within a few spots of JCoop, who had decent starts and didn’t crash.

Yea he got a lot of help from guys crashing and penalized riders. Still a great ride but really it’s the Lawrence brothers who got it...

Yea he got a lot of help from guys crashing and penalized riders. Still a great ride but really it’s the Lawrence brothers who got it done.

So did the US.  If the Coenen bros stayed up the USA team probably wouldn’t be on the podium.

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And we do did Deegans talent on USA.  No question there. 
Eli is our top rider currently and I believe he has a few years left at this level. 
 

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Chase in MXGP 2-2. Eli in Open 2-3. Then Deegan just needs 9th.

If you’re going with hypotheticals, then Webster doesn’t crash either race and finishes higher and we score way less than 19. 
See Australia only needs one different result while the US needs to change the whole team and results, probably easier to just accept it wasn’t going to happen this year. Best team won.

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