FOX Protectiongear dangerus?

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10/18/2010 3:24pm
Wandell wrote:
MXA consistantly praises the Fox POD knee braces. Anyone here have any feedback on them?
CamP wrote:
A good friend of mine has been using the POD's all year and he loves them.
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I love mine.
Swap? You have commersial interests, sorry! doesn't counts? This rider bought a frontfork from your brother 3 years ago, still his favorite and used only the most important races even today. We are following his fight for recovery also in Sweden and please tell him we wish him the best in future rehab.
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10/18/2010 4:32pm
Sorry dude but your story doesn't make any sense. There's no knee brace that gives you 100% protection. And there's no way you can torn your ligaments laying down. The brace broke? Sure, but I cant believe it produced so much force to twist the knee, more considering the leg was under 100Kg of bike.
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10/18/2010 5:05pm
I loved my Pod's and raced two years with a torn ACL while wearing them. Also, it is important to point out ACL tears are generally from a twisting motion not hyper-extension, therefore leaving knee braces not very effective in preventing ACL tears. Basically the braces help to strenghten the joint from hyper-extension and hard impacts, not twisting.
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I have multiple ACL replacements on both my knees and have owned a few different braces. Have had my PODS for 2 years and in my opinion, are the best brace I have owned. They have taken some abuse but held up really well. I Still do not understand how a knee brace can break while your laying still with no pressure on it and manipulate your knee to tear ligaments.

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10/18/2010 5:54pm
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I suspect that the damage was already caused by the crash or previous crashes over the years and he did not realize it. I shattered my...
I suspect that the damage was already caused by the crash or previous crashes over the years and he did not realize it. I shattered my L Elbow into about 15 peices back in 1996 and didnt realize it was broken until i picked my bike up, remounted, and tried to start it.... the downward motion caused the elbow to flex and the gross grinding popping began..... then the pain and I realized I was pretty messed up!

I guess the American way of blame everyone but yourself has slowely migrated over to Sweden..... and thats a shame!


i thought it came to America from Sweden...
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10/18/2010 6:13pm
X2 on previous damage!
same screnario on partial acl tear that got done in in a minor crash; it doesn't take much.
i've owned asterisk and cti2 braces and currently wear pod's and think they're awesome!

Swedish guy (Big), hate to say it, but STFU!!! you don't even know the origin of a product you're bashing. you can't give any first hand account. there's only one example. you don't even own or probably never wore the product. do you even ride a dirtbike? if so, what knee braces do you wear? just askin'
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To people that have used both. I have 2 knees which need operated on as both ACL's and MCL's are garbage. Anyway I have put off the surgery and actually doing pretty well. I've been using a set of Asterisks for about 6 years but they are now falling apart. They've been great and held up to a lot of abuse and kept my knees from totally falling apart.

I keep reading that the Pods are the most comfortable and is this the only reason they are being picked as the best by magazines? Comfort is great I guess but my main concern is protection to my knees. I think the design of the Asterisk with its tie up wrap around design would better protect against knee twisting plus the asterisk has a dual joint at the knee pivot. It appears as though its a better design for protection but I'm not a Dr. or Engineer.

So I guess I'm trying to ask with all comfort issues being taken out of the equation what is the most protective brace? I need to buy new ones and I'm really trying to decied if I should give the Pods a try or stick with the Asterisk.
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The thin rope (kevlar) breaks under pressure. Thats what suppose too hold the joint together. And its a free world so buy what you want. This warning is for serious riders who trying to avoid bad luck and unessecery injurys. Weekendwarrior feeble. Buy cti2 again stupid! The Asterix just worn out after 3-4 months thats why he bought dangerPod in the beginning. Myself? I was started racing when leatherpants with a plastic cup was fashion. Won a title with nylonpants with small knee protection and strange colours and Finnish names. Now i'm racing on the keybord. Obvius against some real dumb benchracers, because real serious riders don't have time for all BS comments!
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10/19/2010 3:52am
Dude the braces did their job. They are supposed to break, just like a helmet. Yes it sucks, but that's the way it is. I personally want to get rid of my Donjoy knee braces, because I don't feel comfortable, but I know they offer the best protection, anyway.

Btw, chinese products are way better then their reputation. They are the world leader in the solar cell industry, for example. They are taking over multiple industries for a reason.
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10/19/2010 4:49am
Also putting taiwan and china in the same box...oh well...
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did you contact fox? I'm sure theyd like to know if they have a faulty product like this. Do you have a picture you can post of the broken brace?
10/19/2010 5:53am
anyone heard of spell check??
Why don't you bust his balls when you speak perfect Swedish? Don't make fun of someone when they're smarter than you.
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Dude the braces did their job. They are supposed to break, just like a helmet. Yes it sucks, but that's the way it is. I personally...
Dude the braces did their job. They are supposed to break, just like a helmet. Yes it sucks, but that's the way it is. I personally want to get rid of my Donjoy knee braces, because I don't feel comfortable, but I know they offer the best protection, anyway.

Btw, chinese products are way better then their reputation. They are the world leader in the solar cell industry, for example. They are taking over multiple industries for a reason.
Dude the braces did their job. They are supposed to break, just like a helmet???? Dude it's not a brake-pin in the knee. It's "wired" with ligaments in there. A breaking kne protection in the joint is a nono! Hellooo? Put new padding in your Donjoy and stay happy...Dude.
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did you contact fox? I'm sure theyd like to know if they have a faulty product like this. Do you have a picture you can post...
did you contact fox? I'm sure theyd like to know if they have a faulty product like this. Do you have a picture you can post of the broken brace?
Give me a serious mailadress to a Fox senior manager. They will have a picture directly.
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Big wrote:
Dude the braces did their job. They are supposed to break, just like a helmet???? Dude it's not a brake-pin in the knee. It's "wired" with...
Dude the braces did their job. They are supposed to break, just like a helmet???? Dude it's not a brake-pin in the knee. It's "wired" with ligaments in there. A breaking kne protection in the joint is a nono! Hellooo? Put new padding in your Donjoy and stay happy...Dude.
Go get your, or better your friends, stuff sorted out with Fox. I'm certain one injured knee isn't enough to bash a product like that and call the whole thing dangerous. So far everybody else praises them. There is no 100% protection. It never will. This is motocross.
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knee braces arent perfect, they cant prevent every injury like a shoei or an arai (both made in japan!) cant stop every concussion, i was wearing CTI2s when i tore my acl. now i wear asterisks (love them). the PODs seem good, alot of my friends have them and really like them. one incident is not good enough to ruin a repuation of being comfortable and good. BIG your getting all defensive when ur the one who brought it up guy. Its not the knee braces fault, and i HIGHLY doubt they broke just from sliding, and then as he was laying there like a spode under his bike they all of the sudden cracked and wrecked his knee, it just doesnt make sense. but its an injury and it happens, blame yourself for crashing not the knee braces for breaking
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knee braces arent perfect, they cant prevent every injury like a shoei or an arai (both made in japan!) cant stop every concussion, i was wearing...
knee braces arent perfect, they cant prevent every injury like a shoei or an arai (both made in japan!) cant stop every concussion, i was wearing CTI2s when i tore my acl. now i wear asterisks (love them). the PODs seem good, alot of my friends have them and really like them. one incident is not good enough to ruin a repuation of being comfortable and good. BIG your getting all defensive when ur the one who brought it up guy. Its not the knee braces fault, and i HIGHLY doubt they broke just from sliding, and then as he was laying there like a spode under his bike they all of the sudden cracked and wrecked his knee, it just doesnt make sense. but its an injury and it happens, blame yourself for crashing not the knee braces for breaking
i HIGHLY doubt they broke just from sliding, and then as he was laying there like a spode under his bike they all of the sudden cracked and wrecked his knee, it just doesnt make sense. but its an injury and it happens, blame yourself for crashing not the knee braces for breaking
Do you really think he's making this story up? Buy those Pod if you want. But please stop protect the company that sells Chinese s...t for big Us-dollars. Check were most of the clothings coming from in the buissiness. But when they selling important protecting-gear as high-tech and a huge strongest on market campaign. And they can broke anytime. maybe because they been used in real racing (without major crash)? It's like blame yourself for driving a car falling apart because you actually using it on a road. I got a call from a Pod-user who realized who i am because of the riders missfortune is getting known in small Sweden. He told me that the kneejointrope (made of kevlar probably), has to be exchanged after every hard hit or chrasch. Because he saw a damage after closer control after a smaller crasch. Did you know that? Can't read that in TWM or MXA advertisings. Free Fox t-shirt sponsored Ktm riders. Please give me a break? Let the realracing customer make choises based on knowledge, not false commercialcampaigns on Chinese lowqualityproducts. Ask TWM or MXA test forces from sideimpact, overbending, twisting on all kneebraces and help rider avoid major injurys. I bet Fox is like a Husky/Ktm or Defenda (Chinesebike) in a bikeshootout. Sorry but i couldn't resist the last personal comment.....
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ALL MAJOR INJURYS CANT BE AVOIDED! if the knee brace was previously compromised (i think you said that, or i could just be mis-reading your post) then its not the braces fault, helmets are the same way. If the structure had be compromised due to a previous crash then there is a greater chance of it failing in the next crash, just like any thing, ever, not only inside our small motocross world. your crash a car, the integrity of the car is compromised if it gets in another accident. it happens. i just cant stand you bashing a good product because of a single failure, after been worn out (you said yourself he rides alot and im sure hes crashed on it before) so its the same idea as crashing in a helmet. just because he hurt his knee doesnt mean anything. there are thousands of knee injurys a year in just the MX community and most are probably wearing some kind of brace.

as for you talking about a ktm or husky im confused arent they made in europe? and your knocking chinese products? and arent you from there too? so idk but i know that i can say bad things about hondas, kawasakis, suzukis, and yamahas. but for all i know it was user fault (kneebrace) or a some isolated part failure. and it would be unfair to target a company for making a product that 9 times out of 10 is a good product. but what do i know I'm just some 19 year old, train 365, travel the country, ride 3 time a week, bench racing message board noob.
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10/19/2010 9:32am
i dont know if this sheds any light on the injury while wearing braces subject? but when i was fitted for my custom breg knee brace, the prosthetics guy told me that if you wear a brace that isnt fitted for your leg, it will likely hold your leg in an awkward position and increases your chance of a knee injury in a crash. that said, i wear my breg for skiing and my pods for mx; i think both are good quality and havent had an issue with either.
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10/19/2010 9:43am
2 of my freinds have the PODs and love them. Also saw in a recent vid of Barcia at the SX test track and showed him putting them on, so he must believe in them as well.

As far as thier helmets, the V3 is a good helmet. They have proved thier quality from the lawn darts that RC and James have had in the past!
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Big wrote:
i HIGHLY doubt they broke just from sliding, and then as he was laying there like a spode under his bike they all of the sudden...
i HIGHLY doubt they broke just from sliding, and then as he was laying there like a spode under his bike they all of the sudden cracked and wrecked his knee, it just doesnt make sense. but its an injury and it happens, blame yourself for crashing not the knee braces for breaking
Do you really think he's making this story up? Buy those Pod if you want. But please stop protect the company that sells Chinese s...t for big Us-dollars. Check were most of the clothings coming from in the buissiness. But when they selling important protecting-gear as high-tech and a huge strongest on market campaign. And they can broke anytime. maybe because they been used in real racing (without major crash)? It's like blame yourself for driving a car falling apart because you actually using it on a road. I got a call from a Pod-user who realized who i am because of the riders missfortune is getting known in small Sweden. He told me that the kneejointrope (made of kevlar probably), has to be exchanged after every hard hit or chrasch. Because he saw a damage after closer control after a smaller crasch. Did you know that? Can't read that in TWM or MXA advertisings. Free Fox t-shirt sponsored Ktm riders. Please give me a break? Let the realracing customer make choises based on knowledge, not false commercialcampaigns on Chinese lowqualityproducts. Ask TWM or MXA test forces from sideimpact, overbending, twisting on all kneebraces and help rider avoid major injurys. I bet Fox is like a Husky/Ktm or Defenda (Chinesebike) in a bikeshootout. Sorry but i couldn't resist the last personal comment.....
Dude, obviously since it doesn't seem to be a very prevalent problem, he either damaged the brace before, or it is possible that he just got a defective brace. Either way, no matter how you look at it, the brace didn't injure his knee. The wreck did. At the most, the brace failed to do what it was supposed to do, but that doesn't equate to causation. You originally came on here to ask if anyone else has had the problem. The answer seems to be "No" and now you say that everyone here is dumb because they don't want to generalize an entire company as being lesser quality based solely on one person's vague account of one product not doing well? Personally, I don't even like Fox, but all bias aside, the way you are going about this is not only a bit rediculous, but also you are hurting your own credibility. Throw out the information, let people make their own inferences.
And when you say, "Give me a serious mailadress to a Fox senior manager. They will have a picture directly." That doesn't help your case either. We aren't the ones with the issue here, so why should anyone on here go out of their way to give you any contact information at Fox? If you have the issue with them, go find the contact information (here's a hint, it's usually on their website) and deal with the issue directly.
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10/19/2010 2:05pm
ever heard of products failing? mighta had a bad product
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10/19/2010 2:08pm
Point taken. 2034 readers can choose now anyway. Thats about the amount of licensed mxracers in entire Sweden. ( We aren't the ones with the issue here) yeah sure! I rest my case......
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10/19/2010 2:12pm
Ever heard about Chinese quality?
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Big wrote:
Ever heard about Chinese quality?
thats a phrase with a shelflife, unfortunately. within ten years, they'll be producing everything from heavy machinery to electronics at the same standard or higher than their competitors. i hate to say it. as for their off the line failure rates; they're actually lower than most manufacturing facilities right now in the world. you have to take into account their volume.
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Big wrote:
Point taken. 2034 readers can choose now anyway. Thats about the amount of licensed mxracers in entire Sweden. ( We aren't the ones with the issue...
Point taken. 2034 readers can choose now anyway. Thats about the amount of licensed mxracers in entire Sweden. ( We aren't the ones with the issue here) yeah sure! I rest my case......
Ok so what you're getting at is that we should all contact customer service at Fox and tell them, "Hey, I want to place a complaint about one of your products. I was online, and I saw a post on a motocross forum from an anonymous guy in Sweden that said he heard from some guys dad that his son fell and while the guy was just laying on the ground, the knee brace just broke for no particular reason other than it was made in China and hurt his knee. Nobody else in response to it had noted any problems or complaints with this product, but this one single guy did, and that is completely unacceptable. Further more, because of this, I will boycott all Fox products and anything made in China." Is that about right? Why isn't this thread in the dumbgeon by now.
You want to know how an intelligent person would have started this thread? In short it would be something along the lines of:
"A local racer here hurt his knee in a slow speed wreck, and was wearing _______ knee braces. I was wondering if anyone else here has experienced any problems with _______ knee braces and perhaps anyone that owns them might want to keep an eye out on that specific area that failed for this local guy."
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Big wrote:
Point taken. 2034 readers can choose now anyway. Thats about the amount of licensed mxracers in entire Sweden. ( We aren't the ones with the issue...
Point taken. 2034 readers can choose now anyway. Thats about the amount of licensed mxracers in entire Sweden. ( We aren't the ones with the issue here) yeah sure! I rest my case......
yup, point taken Big.... Going to go get me a set of Fox braces since everyone here says they are the best!

Your case has been rested
10/19/2010 3:41pm Edited Date/Time 10/19/2010 3:42pm
What gets me is that they censor all sorts of stuff on Vital MX but they let some moron from Sweden who just joined for no other reason then to slander a reputable company like FOX post what ever he wants.
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10/19/2010 3:48pm
People should be free to say what they want... he just shouldn't act like a little kid, get all butt hurt, and call everyone stupid when nobody agrees with him, haha.
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People should be free to say what they want... he just shouldn't act like a little kid, get all butt hurt, and call everyone stupid when...
People should be free to say what they want... he just shouldn't act like a little kid, get all butt hurt, and call everyone stupid when nobody agrees with him, haha.
I never called everyone stupid. You last 3 are maybe "unbalanced" (morons?) in your comments. Especially DBerg pretending to send intellegent answers and then suddenly loosing it. Yes you guys probably got some free Fox-stickers, good for you kids. And you can probably make your own PodKneebrace, because it's safe behind the keyboard, I recommend taping wool over your knees? You guys only racing your thin-skinned monkey probably? Oops! I'm loosing control over my point-fingers and being slightly unbalanced too? Oh dear! maybe I have tourettes syndrom on my lap-top? sorry? Hahaha they coming to take me away hahaa hohoo.........,

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