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I don't think he will, but it's possible with Chase out. If he does, it reinforces the bike struggle narrative. But even if it does, the concept that the bike being a bit off moves him so far back compared to anyone else is just insane...
When you have Jett say, if the bike isn't right, I just adjust my riding to fit and still podium or win and Jorge saying if the bike isn't right, I can't push and end up outside the points... Nuts.
I have friends who are that way though. I won’t push if I’m not comfortable, something as simple as 3mm sag makes a massive change some days..
Where some friends come back and go hmmm my tire is flat, or steering stem nut fell off, and they don’t even notice and still shred like nothing is wrong.
Is it so hard to understand not everyone’s level of risk acceptance is the same? Such a wild thing to observe lack of understanding on here.
Look at Eli. When he has his weird rides and drops in the pack no one has ever thought it cause he was out of shape. It’s always been bike setup/ arm pump issues. I think Prado is in this same category. His stamina may have been lacking a bit in the first couple rounds due to coming back from injury. But at this point he should be one of the freshest riders considering the time he was off the bike in SX.
A weird race or two is slightly different than an entire series
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Just worry about how you ride & what kind of rider you are! Jorge will be fine!
I love it when people don't want motocross discussed on a motocross discussion forum.
Makes so much sense.
I guess I didn’t share the same lofty expectations as most here. When I saw he signed a 3 year deal, I fully expected year 1 to be a learning year, especially in SX. The contract length suggested a long term commitment to the American series.
The difference of dropping back to 10th vs 24th is not really a valid comparison...
Thank you, you are perfectly emphasizing his blatant weakness... If it's the bike and he's that far down when it's 2mm sag off, he's never going to win a title over here.
Lack of understanding? HAHAHA...
Never cast pearls before swine. 😞
Hey, if there is one thing we've learned from bench racing, it's that if you want to comment on how someone should win then you better have won a pro race or championship yourself. 😅
Yea I’m not saying it’s been good, but it doesn’t look like Prado has been full of shit when he has criticized the bike. This doesn’t mean he shouldn’t take more responsibility for his results rather then blaming but that’s a separate issue. We’ll see how he finishes the series. He looked a lot better last weekend. the arrow seems to be pointing up and his improvement last weekend was directly attributed to a change on the bike. I expect he’ll be as good or better this weekend.
Every time I check this thread out 😄
Yea I’m not saying Jorge’s motivation when his bike isn’t great has been there. The image isn’t good and he seems like a different cat. But I think his criticism of the bike is starting to bear fruit. And yes a lot of the bike set up responsibility falls on his shoulders, but it’s starting to look like he wasn’t just blowing smoke.
Still would have been a good idea for him to take some of the responsibility, but it is what it is.
Yes because this is the NFL where teams can trade riders …
In theory there is nothing preventing this as there is no governing body controlling teams and rider contracts.
I wouldn’t be surprised if somewhere along the lines contracts were ‘traded’ but yea it’s certainly not something we see. Would be kinda cool though.
And to be honest, it seems viable and maybe no better situation to do it has existed. The difference is the value of the transaction and it's overall importance to the team. Trading a player on a football or baseball team for example is a miniscule portion of the overall payroll and has almost no impact on the revenue stream. Trading the top rider on on a motocross team is trading the top salary and could have a big impact on multiple facets of the operation. I think the perceived risk is too high for us to see it happen, but it could open a new door in moto for sure.
I’m Kawi guy and a fan of Prado’s so I sure hope it happens.
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Yes that ship has sailed for both of them.
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I don't think it falls on Prado if it takes Kawi a full season to get him the power he needs. I would love to know what they "found".
It will be very interesting to see if they managed to fix suspension also to the better this week.
I think he is behind on race fitness now because testing and riding on less than 100% because you are not comfortable is not good for it.
Yea good point on the bike in the power department. The only thing I’d use to push back is he brought on Chad reed to help him develop the bike. Either because Jorge isn’t good at developing a setting or there is a communication barrier of some sort. I would say Jorge is responsible for communicating to the team what he wants. And it’s both parties job to make sure they are understanding each other.
Also when Jorge says he practices around 70% and then expects that setting to translate to race pace seems foolish.
I think that is just used as an excuse by kawi to be honest. If you know what you want you know how it feels and behaves at both full speed and slower speed. Prado has said into almost every weekend like "no progress" from what i have heard from interviews so obviously he knows when they would hit it when they are as much off.
Eli tested 2 weeks on his new setting, was faster on the clock at home but turned to shit setting at race conditions. Chase searching for bike setting, Tomac searching. If it was as easy as just go at it at 100% at practise tracks and you will nail it, it would have been done a long time ago.
Practise tracks and conditions, practise pace, is not same as race pace and conditions. Tomac doesn't seem like a 70% (btw no one trains at 70 real percent of effort or lap times, let's be honest, it's 30sec a lap slower). So you anyway have to be able to recognize when on the bike if you have got it or not.
If they would have given him the absurd amount of power, and maybe more so power curve, he seems to need right away, instead of what it seems like arguing "the bike is fast" and it's the fastest he has ridden as Ticle said i think they would have been in a different position.
Or, maybe it isn't as easy for Kawi to provide power on that platform and team.
No matter what, Prado's "I'm just waiting" should look different now for most people, wasn't shit he could have done to fix what they did.
We should hopefully see him more close to something this weekend. If thats podium or faster pace on the clock remains to be seen. If you measure it towards the other riders, unfortunately there is a few weeks left of testing suspension and chassi now when power is in place.
Exactly. Year one was always gonna be a learning year. In my eyes everything is still on par for the course. I just wish someone in Jorge’s camp could of helped adjust his mindset. But how do you tell a champion to be okay with 5th thru 10th?
Remember when Yamaha bought in Chad as a team mate to help CW2 with bike set up?
Great times.
My point was if your not practicing at race pace you can’t be surprised when the setting you develop at practice doesn’t work in the race. Obviously practicing at race pace doesn’t guarantee a good setting either but I believe it probably gives you a better chance.
Prado to Beta. Stamp it.
This is like the 17th or18th time you have tried to use Tomac or Chase as a point of reference to justify Prado’s shit results… when they aren’t getting 24th after a top 5 start and blaming it on the bike. Apples and oranges, period.
Prado beat Tomac, and Tomac blamed results on the bike. You tell me how poor bike setup isn't affecting the results 🙄😂
Its like the 25th time i years about that 24th start.
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