2025 Lorretta Lynn MX Bench Racing/Discussion

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7/30/2025 6:34am
Rickyisms wrote:

I hate that every year the Loretta’s thread gets railroaded by some 40-50 year old bitching about the same thing every single year. 

I'm done we just all have differing opinions.  Trust me I'd love for a year to come where it's not something to bitch about.

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crusher773 wrote:

I'm done we just all have differing opinions.  Trust me I'd love for a year to come where it's not something to bitch about.

Then get faster. Its that simple. You have guys like Michael Mitchell who works 40-60hr weeks doing finish grading and he is still putting it in the top 10 in both +30 and +40.  Its possible to do it but you just want to complain on the internet and have Mxsports make a class for you instead of earning it. 

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7/30/2025 6:56am
crusher773 wrote:
My regions are absolutely stacked with pro riders also.  Every single year the same guys I've seen riding pro for the last 30 years.  Am I...

My regions are absolutely stacked with pro riders also.  Every single year the same guys I've seen riding pro for the last 30 years.  Am I fast enough probably not anymore but it's the same conversation with all the local vet guys every year.  Why even try because it's literally us just trying to qualify and spending a crap ton of money when it's racing guys that are pros and have been since they were kids.  We have no realistic chance at all because there isn't even a class that gives us any chance.  That's all I'm saying.  To me it's the same whether it's Shorty or the local pro that's been doing it forever.  They are all A riders and the gate is filled with them there is no class for the regular guys.  If that's what they want then fine but don't try and sell this BS that there are classes for everyone.  There is a big hole in the structure here.  

I understand your frustration but it’s not advertised as a skill level class. The age class isn’t a b-c class and those guys most likely have...

I understand your frustration but it’s not advertised as a skill level class. The age class isn’t a b-c class and those guys most likely have been fast since before they turned professional. You would be racing them at 15 or 50. Not to mention, you’re slightly exaggerating when you say the whole class made a living racing, that just isn’t true. You’re using the fact there’s a few known pros in there to not train and try to make it.  If your goal is winning well that’s a tall mountain to climb and that’s for any class at LL. 

Everyone accuses mxsports as greedy but why wouldn’t they just add a 40 B class if that was the case. There has to be more to it than that. 

crusher773 wrote:
Well you are wrong I do train I'm at the gym very regularly.  I've never ever mentioned winning.  I've only said a lot of guys just...

Well you are wrong I do train I'm at the gym very regularly.  I've never ever mentioned winning.  I've only said a lot of guys just want a fair chance to go.  Did you see the prices I think it's clear they have gotten greedy. My whole point is that every single vet class is actually a pro class because they are all open to pros of some level.  I don't get why everyone wants to try and say that's not the case because it absolutely is.  It would just be nice if regular dudes had a chance to even go and have the experience.  As it has been for a long time that chance ends in about December every year when the class list is released.  

You're wrong on multiple fronts the vet classes are not full of Pros matter of fact the back of the pack is running slower lap times than the top five in the 65 class and one of them is a girl who is kicking ass by the way! Even the winner of the 7 through nine 65 classes running a faster lap time than the back of the pack of the + 40! And your idea that Loretta's is regular Joe's is way off! It's for the fast 40 in the country and the world for that matter that's what makes it prestigious! Simply not everybody gets to go unless you put in the work!

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7/30/2025 7:00am
jpatz319 wrote:
Then get faster. Its that simple. You have guys like Michael Mitchell who works 40-60hr weeks doing finish grading and he is still putting it in...

Then get faster. Its that simple. You have guys like Michael Mitchell who works 40-60hr weeks doing finish grading and he is still putting it in the top 10 in both +30 and +40.  Its possible to do it but you just want to complain on the internet and have Mxsports make a class for you instead of earning it. 

That’s what drives me nuts about this shit. It’s not like the gate is stacked with guys who have scored national points. It’s a handful of guys sprinkled in a handful of classes. I know a guy that runs a machine for his company 50-60 hours a week, raises 3 kids, and tries to ride once a week and was punching his ticket every year for 10 years on the same regiment. When I was in high school and trying to qualify for school boy, I didn’t bitch that I was getting smoked by the training camp kids and saying they should make a class for people still chasing a high school diploma. It’s considered the best 40 riders in a class for a reason. 

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7/30/2025 7:57am
jpatz319 wrote:
Then get faster. Its that simple. You have guys like Michael Mitchell who works 40-60hr weeks doing finish grading and he is still putting it in...

Then get faster. Its that simple. You have guys like Michael Mitchell who works 40-60hr weeks doing finish grading and he is still putting it in the top 10 in both +30 and +40.  Its possible to do it but you just want to complain on the internet and have Mxsports make a class for you instead of earning it. 

Rickyisms wrote:
That’s what drives me nuts about this shit. It’s not like the gate is stacked with guys who have scored national points. It’s a handful of...

That’s what drives me nuts about this shit. It’s not like the gate is stacked with guys who have scored national points. It’s a handful of guys sprinkled in a handful of classes. I know a guy that runs a machine for his company 50-60 hours a week, raises 3 kids, and tries to ride once a week and was punching his ticket every year for 10 years on the same regiment. When I was in high school and trying to qualify for school boy, I didn’t bitch that I was getting smoked by the training camp kids and saying they should make a class for people still chasing a high school diploma. It’s considered the best 40 riders in a class for a reason. 

Uh, oh…

Now you’ve done it! 🤣

👍🏼

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7/30/2025 8:00am
crusher773 wrote:
I want to line up against guys like me with real jobs not professionals who made a living at this.  The issue is not that these...

I want to line up against guys like me with real jobs not professionals who made a living at this.  The issue is not that these guys want to race that's cool but they need a separate class.  These guys take up gate spots for guys that this race was really intended for.  I know tons of vet guys that used to try every single year that don't even bother anymore with how the rules are same as me.  I'd just like a fair shake at getting to go once.  When I see who qualifies out of the regions every year though it is quite clear there is no point because it's all ex pros.  I know a lot of people think it's cool downvote me but I don't care.  The fact is every single vet class is open to A class riders whether it be the big show or at a local level.  They are all technically pro classes.  There is no class for B/C vet riders.  

yak651 wrote:
If Steve and Dark can give it a go and almost make it, many could try. Most of these pros aren’t going to be in your...

If Steve and Dark can give it a go and almost make it, many could try. Most of these pros aren’t going to be in your regional so don’t use it as an excuse. My excuse is I’m too cheap and can’t justify the expense, not that I thing the deck is too stacked.

crusher773 wrote:
My regions are absolutely stacked with pro riders also.  Every single year the same guys I've seen riding pro for the last 30 years.  Am I...

My regions are absolutely stacked with pro riders also.  Every single year the same guys I've seen riding pro for the last 30 years.  Am I fast enough probably not anymore but it's the same conversation with all the local vet guys every year.  Why even try because it's literally us just trying to qualify and spending a crap ton of money when it's racing guys that are pros and have been since they were kids.  We have no realistic chance at all because there isn't even a class that gives us any chance.  That's all I'm saying.  To me it's the same whether it's Shorty or the local pro that's been doing it forever.  They are all A riders and the gate is filled with them there is no class for the regular guys.  If that's what they want then fine but don't try and sell this BS that there are classes for everyone.  There is a big hole in the structure here.  

You qualify for AX races on a 250 2-st I,m sure you,d qualify.  LL is my type of track & I Love high heat & humidity.  But until someone pays for everything I,m not going it makes no sense . I could get 2,500 + per local buisness to race local.  Deschambault is a similar race 3 motos in Quebec with a lake etc & a pro event with premix race on sun.  A pro can make more racing local sun they had a money class pay back to 10th & the winner got a gas gas 1799.00 e-bike .  Keaton a member on here got 7th I think in 50+ on his JM Racing stock bore Yz125 .  A Massive amount of big races this yr yet .  

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dang472
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7/30/2025 8:16am

So money is the only thing keeping you from Loretta’s?

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7/30/2025 8:35am
crusher773 wrote:

I'm done we just all have differing opinions.  Trust me I'd love for a year to come where it's not something to bitch about.

jpatz319 wrote:
Then get faster. Its that simple. You have guys like Michael Mitchell who works 40-60hr weeks doing finish grading and he is still putting it in...

Then get faster. Its that simple. You have guys like Michael Mitchell who works 40-60hr weeks doing finish grading and he is still putting it in the top 10 in both +30 and +40.  Its possible to do it but you just want to complain on the internet and have Mxsports make a class for you instead of earning it. 

Man it was COOL to see Mitchell rip that holeshot!

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7/30/2025 8:45am

Had to skip all the whining...  Good friend has a grandson in 65 (7-9) who dropped a 3rd today.  Unfortunately, in the other 65 class yesterday, his Cobra wouldn't start and he scored a DNS.  Let's cheer for Jett Rau when the 65's are on track.

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7/30/2025 9:23am

Deacon Denno 1:54.445 fastest lap. 

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7/30/2025 9:34am

Track has looked great so far this year. 

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Pro Sport on track!

7/30/2025 9:48am
dang472 wrote:

So money is the only thing keeping you from Loretta’s?

Don’t need to go to Race LL . When they show up at the bigger local races .  I can pay usually 10 gate fee 10 or20 camp & 35 a class .    You hv that Sweet alum framed rm125 get a stock bore cylinder in it & race 125 12+ .  The kids hv amazing bike control, it’s a blast .  I should be able to lead a 1/4 inch to 40 ft who knows off the start in 125.  Last 10 weeks I had 60 needles in me another tomorrow. I need a driver so yeah some r bad. 6,3 to 6,0 in 2 1/2 yrs wrap your mind around that . Shot at thousands of times almost killed thousands of times from another truck. I don’t go to the gate scared or nervous at all , no butterflies . I,m joking around & laughing. A few foot lead on the start straight that would be huge against a top 10 125 LL kid or a local . I get off the good line not to hold anyone up. I,m doing this for fun . Reality is 125 class here is the 125 emx of Europe.  Kids living training camps 6 months when they pass ya . They hv the coolest moves .  wild  fire smoke here is bad today .  Say I lead 40 ft 4 of 9 races left . I think a lot of riders will buy old bikes & race . More people racing more fun . 

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7/30/2025 10:07am

Why cant these threads stay on topic instead of dribble, can someone start a thread where people whinge about Loretta's and keep this to updates

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7/30/2025 10:52am
dsc131 wrote:

Does anyone know what happened to Logan Best? He was a great mini rider.

JnDubZ wrote:

Thanks for the pointer...bummed to learn this but wish him the best.

From your link above, I did find this Instagram reel where he announces he is stepping away... 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBcebKex4QZ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link…

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7/30/2025 11:05am
dsc131 wrote:
Thanks for the pointer...bummed to learn this but wish him the best.From your link above, I did find this Instagram reel where he announces he is...

Thanks for the pointer...bummed to learn this but wish him the best.

From your link above, I did find this Instagram reel where he announces he is stepping away... 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBcebKex4QZ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link…

He was awesome to watch on the 125! Once he stepped up to the 250f I didn’t follow him as closely, didn’t know he even stopped racing. 

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7/30/2025 11:26am

Nothing but Austrian bikes in the Supermini 2 class. Unsurprising, but a shame no one else will step up and build a competitive mini.

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7/30/2025 11:57am
dsc131 wrote:
Thanks for the pointer...bummed to learn this but wish him the best.From your link above, I did find this Instagram reel where he announces he is...

Thanks for the pointer...bummed to learn this but wish him the best.

From your link above, I did find this Instagram reel where he announces he is stepping away... 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DBcebKex4QZ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link…

Rickyisms wrote:
He was awesome to watch on the 125! Once he stepped up to the 250f I didn’t follow him as closely, didn’t know he even stopped...

He was awesome to watch on the 125! Once he stepped up to the 250f I didn’t follow him as closely, didn’t know he even stopped racing. 

Yes on a Awesome 125 rider . I pretty much stop following the riders too when they stop racing 125,s.  I haven’t figured out yet why America is anti 125 pro class .  Spectators show up & line the fences to watch the 125 class at local races .  All after market co.s are into it and want to see it happen.  Some local 125 riders get more sponsorship money from buisnesses than pro riders get .  It’s Hot no series is not.  If I would’ve gotten my 190k from unpaid wages from 2 of the 11 1099 co.s .  I was going to start my own .  Add up all 11 it’s ovr 500k .  Racist Chicago judge thinks I,m a Indian because of my last name .  

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7/30/2025 12:01pm

Seems like we are light on generational talent this year, not a single rider that you would expect to be 'the guy' in any class . 

Not sure if that makes it better or worse,  racing hasnt been as good as previous years so far, IMO,  but as the second Moto's start, guys will have to be going for it, instead of taking the 'result' in Moto 1. 

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7/30/2025 12:02pm

Keefer’s kid top 3 start in 450b on a 250, niiiice!  

7/30/2025 12:11pm
philG wrote:
Seems like we are light on generational talent this year, not a single rider that you would expect to be 'the guy' in any class . Not...

Seems like we are light on generational talent this year, not a single rider that you would expect to be 'the guy' in any class . 

Not sure if that makes it better or worse,  racing hasnt been as good as previous years so far, IMO,  but as the second Moto's start, guys will have to be going for it, instead of taking the 'result' in Moto 1. 

125 b/c look at the lap times , it’s a stacked gate .  Hit a big local race with 4 states & Canadian riders in the 125 class , it the same .  It’s also 94 & muggy 

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7/30/2025 12:20pm

450 b lap 8 Busse from

Wi. Just put a move on Keefer.  Wolf from Wi. In 5th .  Go Badger Boys

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7/30/2025 12:30pm

Max Shane 1:54.338 fastest lap.

450 B Limited.

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7/30/2025 12:37pm

Doesn’t seem like too many big first turn crashes so far

7/30/2025 12:39pm

Wi. Is becoming the powerhouse state . 10-20 bucks to ride or 200 yr. Fri practice race sat, sun . Is paying off 3 yrs ago our riders where 22-34th .  Race more get faster . Wolf started in 10th , Keefer in 3rd   IMG 3944.png?VersionId=.4FE

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