When did KTM become "cool"?

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Edited Date/Time 1/27/2012 2:53pm
It took them forever to win over the American consumers.
They have given costumers excellent bikes with innovative paRts for years, yet people still hated them. No-link suspension ( innovative, lightweight And has still not been proven to perform as bad as keyboard mechanics claim to see (they never tried it, but they could see it on alessi's bike and a friend of a friend heard Taliban used WP shocks in their RPGs. Adding a link complicates disasembly hence no Kayaba or Showas used in Jihad.
They came stick with oversized bars, killer engines, Vforce reeds, hydraulic clutches and FMF pipes. Still people bought Japanese bikes And spent $1000 hopping them up to KTM standard. KTM won bike tests, but they were "full of biased Yamaha-action propaganda" (huh?)
Less than ONE year ago they were still doubted. "Reed to KTM" were as sarcastic as "Stewart to Husky" is today.
You mean they could have hired DeCoster years ago and been taken seriously instantly?
People think CP to KTM all of a sudden seems plausible, Yet one year ago it would have been a joke. My question is: what has happened the last 12 months to make the American consumers believe in KTM?
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I can't tell you because I don't know. I have been asking for years why people hate KTM and never received a decent answer. I bought my first one in 2001. It was a used 99 300MXC I bought from a friend. The chassis refused to turn and the suspension sucked but the componetry was top notch and the engine was joy to ride with. I fixed the suspension (thank you Tech Care) and steered with the rear. I really liked that bike. My next toomer was an 05 525SX I bought as a new leftover in 06. That bike was almost perfect. I didn't even have to fix the suspension. It was good the way it was for my then 160lb frame. It turned well and had the single best 4 stroke engine I have ever ridden. I kick myself in the ass daily for selling it.
Maybe it has to do with the fact KTM have won everything in sight in the GP's in both classes this year. Maybe it has something to do with hiring Stephan Everts and Roger Decoster, maybe people are finally just removing the Japanese wool from their eyes.
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The only thing that changed is that KTM finally decided to get serious about MX/SX in the US and field a full strength 450 MX/SX team for 2011.

For quite a while now it hasn't been about the bikes, it's been about reputation. Over the last 40 years or so the Japanese factories have built their reputations by winning in the US. So even if they build a bad bike riders will still be lining up to ride for them and the spectators will still believe they can win.

KTM don't have that reputation behind them yet, but it only takes a few good guys, like DeCoster and any one of the rumoured riders linked to them, to become a serious force. Then it's only a matter of time until a championship comes and the reputation will be set for a while to come.
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ando wrote:
The only thing that changed is that KTM finally decided to get serious about MX/SX in the US and field a full strength 450 MX/SX team...
The only thing that changed is that KTM finally decided to get serious about MX/SX in the US and field a full strength 450 MX/SX team for 2011.

For quite a while now it hasn't been about the bikes, it's been about reputation. Over the last 40 years or so the Japanese factories have built their reputations by winning in the US. So even if they build a bad bike riders will still be lining up to ride for them and the spectators will still believe they can win.

KTM don't have that reputation behind them yet, but it only takes a few good guys, like DeCoster and any one of the rumoured riders linked to them, to become a serious force. Then it's only a matter of time until a championship comes and the reputation will be set for a while to come.
Apparently bike sales and chamionships don't match. I.e langston in 03 (or 01, kinda) And dungey 2009-2010.
Maybe the continued developement of bikes as opposed to the Japanese BNGs may have a little to do with it. But I dont see that as the primary reason
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10/5/2010 4:37am
They became cool when they remained committed to the 2-stroke when all the other manufacturers got the 4-stroke brain damage.

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10/5/2010 4:41am Edited Date/Time 10/5/2010 4:44am
I think coming close in 09 and then finally winning the MXA 450 shootout in 2010 was an eye opener for some people. I mean it even beat the 2010 Yam which beforehand had been hailed by every other MX publication to insane, unrealistic levels. (Note: I'm not saying it's a bad bike in anyway).

I realise some people don't read or even like MXA but a lot of people do. To me they're almost always right. No I'm not on MXA's nuts, it's just the truth. I mean I can't think of another MX magazine that devotes more man hours and more money into testing than MXA. Winning their shootout means a little more than winning anyone elses.
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they became cool to me last year when i finally had the chance to try one out.(08 450). I am a decent "B" rider and could not find any faults with the bikes handling or suspension. it does the same thing every other bike does plus it has nice components from the factory like the hydraulic clutch electric start and killer brakes. I think that is when i started strongly considering one for my next bike. the only thing that is holding me back is having to drive 45min to the nearest dealer when i can get parts for any other bike in town.
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I think coming close in 09 and then finally winning the MXA 450 shootout in 2010 was an eye opener for some people. I mean it...
I think coming close in 09 and then finally winning the MXA 450 shootout in 2010 was an eye opener for some people. I mean it even beat the 2010 Yam which beforehand had been hailed by every other MX publication to insane, unrealistic levels. (Note: I'm not saying it's a bad bike in anyway).

I realise some people don't read or even like MXA but a lot of people do. To me they're almost always right. No I'm not on MXA's nuts, it's just the truth. I mean I can't think of another MX magazine that devotes more man hours and more money into testing than MXA. Winning their shootout means a little more than winning anyone elses.
That was dead on. If you want to really know how good a is or isn't pick up MXA.
10/5/2010 5:42am Edited Date/Time 10/5/2010 5:44am
IMO it's because for the last two-three years american mx fans have had live ,and free internet coverage of the GP's and have seen how dominant the KTMs are over there. You've been able to watch the races online for about 5-6 years but until recently you had to pay to watch them and either American fans didn't know or didn't care. Now that the internet coverage is free even fans that previously didn't care about the GPs can't help but watch. I know KTM has been doing well over there for longer than that but most American fans have only heard the stories and not witnessed it like they can now. Also 2010 was the first year a big bore champion was put on a ktm and performed just as well (if not better) than he had prior to getting on the KTM. Exposure and results are what earn you respect in this industry and KTM has gotten the exposure and performed well. It's tough to deny a bike is good when it won 3 out of 3 titles in the GPs.
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KTM are "cool" now.......but imagine how "very cool" they will be when Reed wins the 2011 SX championship onboard one!!!


10/5/2010 6:04am
i didnt read these answers from others but i can tell you first hand i have always been a fan of ktm bikes... even back in the day when me and alessi rode for them on little bikes, they were good.

alot of people didnt like them because they weren't winning over here and the easy excuse to lay down was the linkage. but, ever since the talk of the linkage coming back, everyone has been opening up towards ktm and now realize they are actually a top bike and you can compete on them.
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10/5/2010 6:42am
When people stopped being too cool.
10/5/2010 6:44am
They are commited to innovation and not just producing what the Lame 4 produce.
They are commited to 4 strokes (of varrying cc's), 2 strokes and Elec"trick".
The bikes look and feel trick.
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I think it's been incremental. Kind of a gradual thing. Euro bikes used to be too expensive for US consumers but the 4-stroke shortened the gap. Now they are known as innovators, not as antiquated, expensive bikes.

They also started doing well in the GPs and better in the Nats, which helped.
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10/5/2010 7:01am Edited Date/Time 10/5/2010 7:02am
Kinetic1 wrote:
I can't tell you because I don't know. I have been asking for years why people hate KTM and never received a decent answer. I bought...
I can't tell you because I don't know. I have been asking for years why people hate KTM and never received a decent answer. I bought my first one in 2001. It was a used 99 300MXC I bought from a friend. The chassis refused to turn and the suspension sucked but the componetry was top notch and the engine was joy to ride with. I fixed the suspension (thank you Tech Care) and steered with the rear. I really liked that bike. My next toomer was an 05 525SX I bought as a new leftover in 06. That bike was almost perfect. I didn't even have to fix the suspension. It was good the way it was for my then 160lb frame. It turned well and had the single best 4 stroke engine I have ever ridden. I kick myself in the ass daily for selling it.
Maybe it has to do with the fact KTM have won everything in sight in the GP's in both classes this year. Maybe it has something to do with hiring Stephan Everts and Roger Decoster, maybe people are finally just removing the Japanese wool from their eyes.
I have been asking for years why people hate KTM and never received a decent answer.

I can give you a direct answer at least for the past. They were over priced. They broke frames, hubs, transmission, parts prices were high and hard to find. When a bike breaks because of a factory defect, the Japanese shops would often fix them, KTM you were on your own. Terrible suspension, you had to spend at least 1K to get them working so they were ridable. I think pumpkin orange is plain ugly. KTM=Halloween. Bad reputation, Kant Take Motocross was a common term. Their bikes were kobby and showed no eye for design. I don't think KTMs are cool, I still wouldn't buy one and Roger going to KTM doesn't make me want to buy one. They are better now as far as reliability but I still see issues with them at my local track, so much so I would never consider one.

So there is your straight answer. Also, I don't hate KTM, if they produce a good competitive product and a reasonable price with good availability, I would consider it but they still don't touch the Japanese. I would buy any Japanese bike built in 2010 over a KTM and when I look at local tracks and see how many people don't have KTMs it confirms that they are not popular for a reason.
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10/5/2010 7:13am
Ever since I rode my friends brand new 81KTM 495, I've always liked them.


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10/5/2010 7:19am
They slowly started becoming cool ever since I bought my 07 sx250.
10/5/2010 7:20am
hell the new 2 strokes don't even have linkage and everyone I know that has them says they are amazing. I have never ridden at or even close to the pro level, more of a local B rider for woods and motocross and I've ridden ktms for 11 years except for some mini bikes. Always been great bikes in my opinion.
10/5/2010 7:21am
Their pit presence in Europe is nothing short of amazing. If they show up to the AMA like they show up to the Moto GPs people will be VERY impressed by their racing effort.
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They won't be cool to me unless the change their color from Pumpkin.
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When people stopped being too cool.
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ando wrote:
The only thing that changed is that KTM finally decided to get serious about MX/SX in the US and field a full strength 450 MX/SX team...
The only thing that changed is that KTM finally decided to get serious about MX/SX in the US and field a full strength 450 MX/SX team for 2011.

For quite a while now it hasn't been about the bikes, it's been about reputation. Over the last 40 years or so the Japanese factories have built their reputations by winning in the US. So even if they build a bad bike riders will still be lining up to ride for them and the spectators will still believe they can win.

KTM don't have that reputation behind them yet, but it only takes a few good guys, like DeCoster and any one of the rumoured riders linked to them, to become a serious force. Then it's only a matter of time until a championship comes and the reputation will be set for a while to come.
Sunhouse wrote:
Apparently bike sales and chamionships don't match. I.e langston in 03 (or 01, kinda) And dungey 2009-2010. Maybe the continued developement of bikes as opposed to...
Apparently bike sales and chamionships don't match. I.e langston in 03 (or 01, kinda) And dungey 2009-2010.
Maybe the continued developement of bikes as opposed to the Japanese BNGs may have a little to do with it. But I dont see that as the primary reason
Not true, we are in a big recession, thats why zukes or any other jap oems are not flying out the door. As for Langston, his championship was "announced" if you recall and that was almost 10 yrs ago, no linky etc...another issue is $$$$, if KTM does't have the best rider, they go out and buy him! Musquin, =title, and so will Roczen, not too mention Antonio who is the World Champion on the much hyped 350.

For myself. its build quality and KTM has surpassed the others, you just can't deny how trick and reliable they are.
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or did they steal Musquin?, not sure! Shocked
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They have been cool in hare scramble and GNCC circles for a long time. The MX community is just now realizing what they have been missing.
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10/5/2010 8:14am
Cygnus wrote:
They won't be cool to me unless the change their color from Pumpkin.
You sound like a girl.... I pick the red one!

I had one of these, so the pumpkin color has never been a problem with me.




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10/5/2010 8:18am
When people stopped being too cool.
exactly. ktm's have always been unreal.
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10/5/2010 8:33am
KTM has always been cool with people who march to a different drummer.

Are you really asking 'when did KTM become mainstream?'

Hopefully, the answer to that will be 'never'

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How is one bike "cooler" than another?

Are you a chick?
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I would never buy another KTM, I bought a KTM in 1996 it was a 550 two stroke. I took the bike out on the first ride and could not get it to start, my brother and I worked for hours and then gave up and went home. The next day I took it back to the dealer and they told me "no warranty" I said but I never rode it because it wouldn't start. There answer was "everyone knows the carbs on these things are crap and you should buy a new one"
I sold it as used and bought a jap bike like a should have to start with.
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10/5/2010 9:02am
bigdan1967 wrote:
I would never buy another KTM, I bought a KTM in 1996 it was a 550 two stroke. I took the bike out on the first...
I would never buy another KTM, I bought a KTM in 1996 it was a 550 two stroke. I took the bike out on the first ride and could not get it to start, my brother and I worked for hours and then gave up and went home. The next day I took it back to the dealer and they told me "no warranty" I said but I never rode it because it wouldn't start. There answer was "everyone knows the carbs on these things are crap and you should buy a new one"
I sold it as used and bought a jap bike like a should have to start with.
That 96 550 was really a throwback to the late 80s as far as engine technology with probably some suspension and chassis upgrades to bring it up to 96 standards. KTM has made a few strides since then.
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bigdan1967 wrote:
I would never buy another KTM, I bought a KTM in 1996 it was a 550 two stroke. I took the bike out on the first...
I would never buy another KTM, I bought a KTM in 1996 it was a 550 two stroke. I took the bike out on the first ride and could not get it to start, my brother and I worked for hours and then gave up and went home. The next day I took it back to the dealer and they told me "no warranty" I said but I never rode it because it wouldn't start. There answer was "everyone knows the carbs on these things are crap and you should buy a new one"
I sold it as used and bought a jap bike like a should have to start with.
Sounds more like a problem with the dealer rather than a problem with KTM

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