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Bucko, drink a 1:1 ratio of water and alcohol and it will be alright. You’ve embarrassed yourself enough for one evening. 

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mvd61 wrote:
You’re about the most respectable guy on this forum. With that said, how in the absolute fuck is it so far out of touch for you...

You’re about the most respectable guy on this forum. With that said, how in the absolute fuck is it so far out of touch for you guys to believe that JE had a list of people he blackmailed? I just don’t understand. His gal pal was the daughter of a high ranking Mossad agent and the two were untouchable for how long? Now GM is locked up for two decades on some half assed charges? We want to know who the fucking clients were. Donald J Trump and Co are lying out of their asses. We want the truth because he campaigned on it three times. Every document release they’ve done has been a load of horse shit and you know it. If no list existed then how would there be any power or control? I’m not moving on with it. Fuck Donald Trump on this issue. He might get some good done this go round but a lot of people think there’s fire where this smoke is coming from. 

MPJC wrote:
It’s not really that obvious what JE had on anyone. GM went to jail for bringing girls to JE, I don’t think that’s a half assed...

It’s not really that obvious what JE had on anyone. GM went to jail for bringing girls to JE, I don’t think that’s a half assed charge. It certainly isn’t beyond the realm of possibility - it’s actually highly probable - that she and JE ‘supplied’ young girls for rich and famous people (Prince Andrew can’t be the only one). But as regards if or how many people they blackmailed and what kinds of records they kept and whether the government now had them: What evidence do we have that rises to the level of justifying a claim to know much of anything, other than that the administration isn’t being entirely forthcoming?  

The troubling thing of course is that Bondi made the statement that the evidence was sitting on her desk - a statement now contradicted. So she was lying then or now. So one thing we can know with certainty is that she’s a liar. But when was she lying and why? Lying then (when she said it was on her desk) is possible, though that would mean they’ve got no such list and that possibility seems more unlikely the more you’re already convinced that the list both exists and is known to the government. Do you see what’s happening here? You can start using your suppositions about what going on to support your suppositions about what the government is doing (or not doing) about it and why, and be completely oblivious to the the fact that you’ve just constructed a narrative to support what you take to be facts rather than just following the facts (which are aggravatingly sparse). You already think you know what happened, independently of the actual evidence because facts you construct to fill in the narrative easily become indistinguishable from facts representing actual states of affairs in the world. 

To avoid of this, I’m maintaining a certain level of skepticism. It doesn’t mean I don’t think something fishy is going on. It just means I don’t think I know what exactly it is, who all is involved, or what if anything is being covering up. We’re lacking an awful lot of facts that we should have before we crucify anyone - besides Bondi since we know with certainty that she’s a liar (then if we’re consistent and crucify public officials for lying, we’re going to run out of wood for crosses very quickly). Citizens do, however, deserve transparency and honesty from their government. So yes, the Trump administration had dropped the ball badly on that front. Exactly why, however, remains to be seen. 

mvd61 wrote:
GM knows who the victims went to. Why can’t they get it out of her? I just can’t get myself to trust the govt with a...

GM knows who the victims went to. Why can’t they get it out of her? I just can’t get myself to trust the govt with a whole lot. They’ve never given me any reason to. 

GM's not going to talk, she doesn't want to commit suicide.

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EVH4Ever wrote:

Bucko, drink a 1:1 ratio of water and alcohol and it will be alright. You’ve embarrassed yourself enough for one evening. 

I can’t recall threatening someone on vital before… ya fuckin lunatic. 

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Too funny the silence of the normal MAGA crowd in here. When will you guys figure out the man you follow is a massive piece of...

Too funny the silence of the normal MAGA crowd in here. When will you guys figure out the man you follow is a massive piece of shit?

Who would you like to see as president?

The first hurdle to clear is to accept election results and not be a felon. The second hurdle is to be respectable and a great leader to represent our country. A solid role model to our youth. Those are fairly easy. Just don’t be a piece of shit and you’ve got it. From there we’d get into actual policy discussions and I’d personally favor someone who takes a few things I agree with from each side. That candidate does not exist. 

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mvd61 wrote:

I can’t recall threatening someone on vital before… ya fuckin lunatic. 

Just go to bed, dude. The wifey wouldn’t be happy knowing what an ass you’re making out of yourself. 

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Too funny the silence of the normal MAGA crowd in here. When will you guys figure out the man you follow is a massive piece of...

Too funny the silence of the normal MAGA crowd in here. When will you guys figure out the man you follow is a massive piece of shit?

Who would you like to see as president?

The first hurdle to clear is to accept election results and not be a felon. The second hurdle is to be respectable and a great leader...

The first hurdle to clear is to accept election results and not be a felon. The second hurdle is to be respectable and a great leader to represent our country. A solid role model to our youth. Those are fairly easy. Just don’t be a piece of shit and you’ve got it. From there we’d get into actual policy discussions and I’d personally favor someone who takes a few things I agree with from each side. That candidate does not exist. 

I like that…. And agree with your last statement.💯

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mvd61 wrote:

I can’t recall threatening someone on vital before… ya fuckin lunatic. 

EVH4Ever wrote:

Just go to bed, dude. The wifey wouldn’t be happy knowing what an ass you’re making out of yourself. 

I’m grateful to have one that tolerates me. Unlike you. I’d say you’re two twitches from full on crazy. If anyone needs to take a break around here it’s definitely you. 

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I’m grateful to have one that tolerates me. Unlike you. I’d say you’re two twitches from full on crazy. If anyone needs to take a break...

I’m grateful to have one that tolerates me. Unlike you. I’d say you’re two twitches from full on crazy. If anyone needs to take a break around here it’s definitely you. 

Goodnight, you beautiful drunk ass bastard. Don’t kiss the missus too hard or your beard may pierce her rubberized cover. There’s no bike tube repair patch kit in sight until the morning. 

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I’m grateful to have one that tolerates me. Unlike you. I’d say you’re two twitches from full on crazy. If anyone needs to take a break...

I’m grateful to have one that tolerates me. Unlike you. I’d say you’re two twitches from full on crazy. If anyone needs to take a break around here it’s definitely you. 

EVH4Ever wrote:
Goodnight, you beautiful drunk ass bastard. Don’t kiss the missus too hard or your beard may pierce her rubberized cover. There’s no bike tube repair patch...

Goodnight, you beautiful drunk ass bastard. Don’t kiss the missus too hard or your beard may pierce her rubberized cover. There’s no bike tube repair patch kit in sight until the morning. 

You can insult me all you like but at least I’m not the total loser threatening people on the internet. That takes a real big man. 

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mvd61 wrote:
You’re about the most respectable guy on this forum. With that said, how in the absolute fuck is it so far out of touch for you...

You’re about the most respectable guy on this forum. With that said, how in the absolute fuck is it so far out of touch for you guys to believe that JE had a list of people he blackmailed? I just don’t understand. His gal pal was the daughter of a high ranking Mossad agent and the two were untouchable for how long? Now GM is locked up for two decades on some half assed charges? We want to know who the fucking clients were. Donald J Trump and Co are lying out of their asses. We want the truth because he campaigned on it three times. Every document release they’ve done has been a load of horse shit and you know it. If no list existed then how would there be any power or control? I’m not moving on with it. Fuck Donald Trump on this issue. He might get some good done this go round but a lot of people think there’s fire where this smoke is coming from. 

MPJC wrote:
It’s not really that obvious what JE had on anyone. GM went to jail for bringing girls to JE, I don’t think that’s a half assed...

It’s not really that obvious what JE had on anyone. GM went to jail for bringing girls to JE, I don’t think that’s a half assed charge. It certainly isn’t beyond the realm of possibility - it’s actually highly probable - that she and JE ‘supplied’ young girls for rich and famous people (Prince Andrew can’t be the only one). But as regards if or how many people they blackmailed and what kinds of records they kept and whether the government now had them: What evidence do we have that rises to the level of justifying a claim to know much of anything, other than that the administration isn’t being entirely forthcoming?  

The troubling thing of course is that Bondi made the statement that the evidence was sitting on her desk - a statement now contradicted. So she was lying then or now. So one thing we can know with certainty is that she’s a liar. But when was she lying and why? Lying then (when she said it was on her desk) is possible, though that would mean they’ve got no such list and that possibility seems more unlikely the more you’re already convinced that the list both exists and is known to the government. Do you see what’s happening here? You can start using your suppositions about what going on to support your suppositions about what the government is doing (or not doing) about it and why, and be completely oblivious to the the fact that you’ve just constructed a narrative to support what you take to be facts rather than just following the facts (which are aggravatingly sparse). You already think you know what happened, independently of the actual evidence because facts you construct to fill in the narrative easily become indistinguishable from facts representing actual states of affairs in the world. 

To avoid of this, I’m maintaining a certain level of skepticism. It doesn’t mean I don’t think something fishy is going on. It just means I don’t think I know what exactly it is, who all is involved, or what if anything is being covering up. We’re lacking an awful lot of facts that we should have before we crucify anyone - besides Bondi since we know with certainty that she’s a liar (then if we’re consistent and crucify public officials for lying, we’re going to run out of wood for crosses very quickly). Citizens do, however, deserve transparency and honesty from their government. So yes, the Trump administration had dropped the ball badly on that front. Exactly why, however, remains to be seen. 

mvd61 wrote:
GM knows who the victims went to. Why can’t they get it out of her? I just can’t get myself to trust the govt with a...

GM knows who the victims went to. Why can’t they get it out of her? I just can’t get myself to trust the govt with a whole lot. They’ve never given me any reason to. 

That lack of trust seems entirely reasonable to me. But that doesn’t mean I’m on board with everything else you said, especially the idea that GM’s father being a Mossad agent implies anything of significance. I take it that the references to Mossad, untouchability, and blackmail are made to imply that she is part of some grander scheme to have compromising information for the Israeli government to use for intelligence purposes. I suppose that’s possible. Or perhaps she was just a run of the mill scumbag luring girls to be exploited by her scumbag friend JE for no other reason than that they were perverts looking to satisfy their perverted urges and Mossad had nothing to do with it. The fact that her father is a Mossad agent could be completely incidental. 

I expect that JE had some rich and famous friends that were also perverts - like I said, Prince Andrew isn’t likely the only one. It’s possible that some of these people are powerful and dangerous. But being rich and famous doesn’t make you powerful and dangerous. Look at how miserable things have been for Andrew. He’s been publicly humiliated and can’t do shit about it. That’s likely more typical than the powerful criminal who can get to and take out anyone, or that a foreign intelligence agency is involved. Those things make for good movies but are rare in reality. But you never know. Seriously, we don’t. 

There is the matter of JE’s death. It’s possible (probable even) that his death happened because someone who could be implicated had the means and connections to influence prison officials to take JE off of suicide watch. Or they killed him and the suicide story is a lie (less likely - the simpler explanation is more probable). But what else would we expect to be true if someone killed JE to avoid being  implicated? JE’s death would bring those involved some relief only if JE is taking their secrets to his grave. If there’s damming material left, or damming information could be obtained from GM, why kill JE? I suppose it could serve to scare GM into keeping quiet. But betting that she’ll keep quiet is quite the gamble to take, and as it stands now, GM is still alive (yes, her Mossad agent father could be keeping her alive and keeping everyone quiet - but the more ad hoc explanations we need to posit to make the story hang together the less likely it becomes). 

So what is really going on? I don’t know but I suspect that there are scumbags who are guilty and afraid of being outed. At some level, some of these scumbags may have ties to Trump or his administration. Whether Trump is one of the scumbags isn’t something we have evidence for. But it’s not good if the administration is protecting anyone, and if there’s nothing really there, then they’re acting extremely suspiciously for no reason, and that doesn’t make sense either. Something is amiss and it’s probably ugly. 

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Wow, I started writing something, put it down and ate dinner and watched tv with the wife, and then finished writing my comment and holy crap, I missed a lot of hostility! Maybe I should just grab a bowl of popcorn and enjoy the show and be neutral!

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Good God Almighty. 

I didn't mean to start a fight.

Chill the hell out, testosterone boys. Jesus 

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MPJC wrote:
It’s not really that obvious what JE had on anyone. GM went to jail for bringing girls to JE, I don’t think that’s a half assed...

It’s not really that obvious what JE had on anyone. GM went to jail for bringing girls to JE, I don’t think that’s a half assed charge. It certainly isn’t beyond the realm of possibility - it’s actually highly probable - that she and JE ‘supplied’ young girls for rich and famous people (Prince Andrew can’t be the only one). But as regards if or how many people they blackmailed and what kinds of records they kept and whether the government now had them: What evidence do we have that rises to the level of justifying a claim to know much of anything, other than that the administration isn’t being entirely forthcoming?  

The troubling thing of course is that Bondi made the statement that the evidence was sitting on her desk - a statement now contradicted. So she was lying then or now. So one thing we can know with certainty is that she’s a liar. But when was she lying and why? Lying then (when she said it was on her desk) is possible, though that would mean they’ve got no such list and that possibility seems more unlikely the more you’re already convinced that the list both exists and is known to the government. Do you see what’s happening here? You can start using your suppositions about what going on to support your suppositions about what the government is doing (or not doing) about it and why, and be completely oblivious to the the fact that you’ve just constructed a narrative to support what you take to be facts rather than just following the facts (which are aggravatingly sparse). You already think you know what happened, independently of the actual evidence because facts you construct to fill in the narrative easily become indistinguishable from facts representing actual states of affairs in the world. 

To avoid of this, I’m maintaining a certain level of skepticism. It doesn’t mean I don’t think something fishy is going on. It just means I don’t think I know what exactly it is, who all is involved, or what if anything is being covering up. We’re lacking an awful lot of facts that we should have before we crucify anyone - besides Bondi since we know with certainty that she’s a liar (then if we’re consistent and crucify public officials for lying, we’re going to run out of wood for crosses very quickly). Citizens do, however, deserve transparency and honesty from their government. So yes, the Trump administration had dropped the ball badly on that front. Exactly why, however, remains to be seen. 

mvd61 wrote:
GM knows who the victims went to. Why can’t they get it out of her? I just can’t get myself to trust the govt with a...

GM knows who the victims went to. Why can’t they get it out of her? I just can’t get myself to trust the govt with a whole lot. They’ve never given me any reason to. 

MPJC wrote:
That lack of trust seems entirely reasonable to me. But that doesn’t mean I’m on board with everything else you said, especially the idea that GM’s...

That lack of trust seems entirely reasonable to me. But that doesn’t mean I’m on board with everything else you said, especially the idea that GM’s father being a Mossad agent implies anything of significance. I take it that the references to Mossad, untouchability, and blackmail are made to imply that she is part of some grander scheme to have compromising information for the Israeli government to use for intelligence purposes. I suppose that’s possible. Or perhaps she was just a run of the mill scumbag luring girls to be exploited by her scumbag friend JE for no other reason than that they were perverts looking to satisfy their perverted urges and Mossad had nothing to do with it. The fact that her father is a Mossad agent could be completely incidental. 

I expect that JE had some rich and famous friends that were also perverts - like I said, Prince Andrew isn’t likely the only one. It’s possible that some of these people are powerful and dangerous. But being rich and famous doesn’t make you powerful and dangerous. Look at how miserable things have been for Andrew. He’s been publicly humiliated and can’t do shit about it. That’s likely more typical than the powerful criminal who can get to and take out anyone, or that a foreign intelligence agency is involved. Those things make for good movies but are rare in reality. But you never know. Seriously, we don’t. 

There is the matter of JE’s death. It’s possible (probable even) that his death happened because someone who could be implicated had the means and connections to influence prison officials to take JE off of suicide watch. Or they killed him and the suicide story is a lie (less likely - the simpler explanation is more probable). But what else would we expect to be true if someone killed JE to avoid being  implicated? JE’s death would bring those involved some relief only if JE is taking their secrets to his grave. If there’s damming material left, or damming information could be obtained from GM, why kill JE? I suppose it could serve to scare GM into keeping quiet. But betting that she’ll keep quiet is quite the gamble to take, and as it stands now, GM is still alive (yes, her Mossad agent father could be keeping her alive and keeping everyone quiet - but the more ad hoc explanations we need to posit to make the story hang together the less likely it becomes). 

So what is really going on? I don’t know but I suspect that there are scumbags who are guilty and afraid of being outed. At some level, some of these scumbags may have ties to Trump or his administration. Whether Trump is one of the scumbags isn’t something we have evidence for. But it’s not good if the administration is protecting anyone, and if there’s nothing really there, then they’re acting extremely suspiciously for no reason, and that doesn’t make sense either. Something is amiss and it’s probably ugly. 

“GM is still alive (yes, her Mossad agent father could be keeping her alive and keeping everyone quiet - but the more ad hoc explanations we need to posit to make the story hang together the less likely it becomes).”

Umm, GM’s father, Robert Maxwell was discovered floating unalive alongside his yacht on Nov 5, 1991, so I don’t think he’s keeping her alive or anyone else quiet.  Lots of speculation surrounding his death because of his shady business dealings and connections.

Cool story though!

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The guy accusing me of being a lush has a username after a musician who was an actual alcoholic. Ironic. 

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GM knows who the victims went to. Why can’t they get it out of her? I just can’t get myself to trust the govt with a...

GM knows who the victims went to. Why can’t they get it out of her? I just can’t get myself to trust the govt with a whole lot. They’ve never given me any reason to. 

MPJC wrote:
That lack of trust seems entirely reasonable to me. But that doesn’t mean I’m on board with everything else you said, especially the idea that GM’s...

That lack of trust seems entirely reasonable to me. But that doesn’t mean I’m on board with everything else you said, especially the idea that GM’s father being a Mossad agent implies anything of significance. I take it that the references to Mossad, untouchability, and blackmail are made to imply that she is part of some grander scheme to have compromising information for the Israeli government to use for intelligence purposes. I suppose that’s possible. Or perhaps she was just a run of the mill scumbag luring girls to be exploited by her scumbag friend JE for no other reason than that they were perverts looking to satisfy their perverted urges and Mossad had nothing to do with it. The fact that her father is a Mossad agent could be completely incidental. 

I expect that JE had some rich and famous friends that were also perverts - like I said, Prince Andrew isn’t likely the only one. It’s possible that some of these people are powerful and dangerous. But being rich and famous doesn’t make you powerful and dangerous. Look at how miserable things have been for Andrew. He’s been publicly humiliated and can’t do shit about it. That’s likely more typical than the powerful criminal who can get to and take out anyone, or that a foreign intelligence agency is involved. Those things make for good movies but are rare in reality. But you never know. Seriously, we don’t. 

There is the matter of JE’s death. It’s possible (probable even) that his death happened because someone who could be implicated had the means and connections to influence prison officials to take JE off of suicide watch. Or they killed him and the suicide story is a lie (less likely - the simpler explanation is more probable). But what else would we expect to be true if someone killed JE to avoid being  implicated? JE’s death would bring those involved some relief only if JE is taking their secrets to his grave. If there’s damming material left, or damming information could be obtained from GM, why kill JE? I suppose it could serve to scare GM into keeping quiet. But betting that she’ll keep quiet is quite the gamble to take, and as it stands now, GM is still alive (yes, her Mossad agent father could be keeping her alive and keeping everyone quiet - but the more ad hoc explanations we need to posit to make the story hang together the less likely it becomes). 

So what is really going on? I don’t know but I suspect that there are scumbags who are guilty and afraid of being outed. At some level, some of these scumbags may have ties to Trump or his administration. Whether Trump is one of the scumbags isn’t something we have evidence for. But it’s not good if the administration is protecting anyone, and if there’s nothing really there, then they’re acting extremely suspiciously for no reason, and that doesn’t make sense either. Something is amiss and it’s probably ugly. 

olds cool wrote:
“GM is still alive (yes, her Mossad agent father could be keeping her alive and keeping everyone quiet - but the more ad hoc explanations we...

“GM is still alive (yes, her Mossad agent father could be keeping her alive and keeping everyone quiet - but the more ad hoc explanations we need to posit to make the story hang together the less likely it becomes).”

Umm, GM’s father, Robert Maxwell was discovered floating unalive alongside his yacht on Nov 5, 1991, so I don’t think he’s keeping her alive or anyone else quiet.  Lots of speculation surrounding his death because of his shady business dealings and connections.

Cool story though!

Really? And we’re still talking about his career? I’m a little surprised his occupation was brought up at all if he’s  been dead for 30 years. I didn’t think to ask if he was alive. I inferred - mistakenly, it would appear- from what I was responding to that he was an active agent while all this was happening. The whole idea that Mossad was involved is still possible, though even less probable given this little detail. 

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MPJC wrote:
That lack of trust seems entirely reasonable to me. But that doesn’t mean I’m on board with everything else you said, especially the idea that GM’s...

That lack of trust seems entirely reasonable to me. But that doesn’t mean I’m on board with everything else you said, especially the idea that GM’s father being a Mossad agent implies anything of significance. I take it that the references to Mossad, untouchability, and blackmail are made to imply that she is part of some grander scheme to have compromising information for the Israeli government to use for intelligence purposes. I suppose that’s possible. Or perhaps she was just a run of the mill scumbag luring girls to be exploited by her scumbag friend JE for no other reason than that they were perverts looking to satisfy their perverted urges and Mossad had nothing to do with it. The fact that her father is a Mossad agent could be completely incidental. 

I expect that JE had some rich and famous friends that were also perverts - like I said, Prince Andrew isn’t likely the only one. It’s possible that some of these people are powerful and dangerous. But being rich and famous doesn’t make you powerful and dangerous. Look at how miserable things have been for Andrew. He’s been publicly humiliated and can’t do shit about it. That’s likely more typical than the powerful criminal who can get to and take out anyone, or that a foreign intelligence agency is involved. Those things make for good movies but are rare in reality. But you never know. Seriously, we don’t. 

There is the matter of JE’s death. It’s possible (probable even) that his death happened because someone who could be implicated had the means and connections to influence prison officials to take JE off of suicide watch. Or they killed him and the suicide story is a lie (less likely - the simpler explanation is more probable). But what else would we expect to be true if someone killed JE to avoid being  implicated? JE’s death would bring those involved some relief only if JE is taking their secrets to his grave. If there’s damming material left, or damming information could be obtained from GM, why kill JE? I suppose it could serve to scare GM into keeping quiet. But betting that she’ll keep quiet is quite the gamble to take, and as it stands now, GM is still alive (yes, her Mossad agent father could be keeping her alive and keeping everyone quiet - but the more ad hoc explanations we need to posit to make the story hang together the less likely it becomes). 

So what is really going on? I don’t know but I suspect that there are scumbags who are guilty and afraid of being outed. At some level, some of these scumbags may have ties to Trump or his administration. Whether Trump is one of the scumbags isn’t something we have evidence for. But it’s not good if the administration is protecting anyone, and if there’s nothing really there, then they’re acting extremely suspiciously for no reason, and that doesn’t make sense either. Something is amiss and it’s probably ugly. 

I agree with most of what you said, but Robert Maxwell died in 1991- drowned off his yacht.

So even if he was a Mossad agent, 34 years later I don't think that would have much influence on his daughter unless she picked up the torch and ran with it. 

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MPJC wrote:
That lack of trust seems entirely reasonable to me. But that doesn’t mean I’m on board with everything else you said, especially the idea that GM’s...

That lack of trust seems entirely reasonable to me. But that doesn’t mean I’m on board with everything else you said, especially the idea that GM’s father being a Mossad agent implies anything of significance. I take it that the references to Mossad, untouchability, and blackmail are made to imply that she is part of some grander scheme to have compromising information for the Israeli government to use for intelligence purposes. I suppose that’s possible. Or perhaps she was just a run of the mill scumbag luring girls to be exploited by her scumbag friend JE for no other reason than that they were perverts looking to satisfy their perverted urges and Mossad had nothing to do with it. The fact that her father is a Mossad agent could be completely incidental. 

I expect that JE had some rich and famous friends that were also perverts - like I said, Prince Andrew isn’t likely the only one. It’s possible that some of these people are powerful and dangerous. But being rich and famous doesn’t make you powerful and dangerous. Look at how miserable things have been for Andrew. He’s been publicly humiliated and can’t do shit about it. That’s likely more typical than the powerful criminal who can get to and take out anyone, or that a foreign intelligence agency is involved. Those things make for good movies but are rare in reality. But you never know. Seriously, we don’t. 

There is the matter of JE’s death. It’s possible (probable even) that his death happened because someone who could be implicated had the means and connections to influence prison officials to take JE off of suicide watch. Or they killed him and the suicide story is a lie (less likely - the simpler explanation is more probable). But what else would we expect to be true if someone killed JE to avoid being  implicated? JE’s death would bring those involved some relief only if JE is taking their secrets to his grave. If there’s damming material left, or damming information could be obtained from GM, why kill JE? I suppose it could serve to scare GM into keeping quiet. But betting that she’ll keep quiet is quite the gamble to take, and as it stands now, GM is still alive (yes, her Mossad agent father could be keeping her alive and keeping everyone quiet - but the more ad hoc explanations we need to posit to make the story hang together the less likely it becomes). 

So what is really going on? I don’t know but I suspect that there are scumbags who are guilty and afraid of being outed. At some level, some of these scumbags may have ties to Trump or his administration. Whether Trump is one of the scumbags isn’t something we have evidence for. But it’s not good if the administration is protecting anyone, and if there’s nothing really there, then they’re acting extremely suspiciously for no reason, and that doesn’t make sense either. Something is amiss and it’s probably ugly. 

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I agree with most of what you said, but Robert Maxwell died in 1991- drowned off his yacht.So even if he was a Mossad agent, 34...

I agree with most of what you said, but Robert Maxwell died in 1991- drowned off his yacht.

So even if he was a Mossad agent, 34 years later I don't think that would have much influence on his daughter unless she picked up the torch and ran with it. 

That was pointed out to me by olds cool. What you’re saying sounds about right to me. 

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That lack of trust seems entirely reasonable to me. But that doesn’t mean I’m on board with everything else you said, especially the idea that GM’s...

That lack of trust seems entirely reasonable to me. But that doesn’t mean I’m on board with everything else you said, especially the idea that GM’s father being a Mossad agent implies anything of significance. I take it that the references to Mossad, untouchability, and blackmail are made to imply that she is part of some grander scheme to have compromising information for the Israeli government to use for intelligence purposes. I suppose that’s possible. Or perhaps she was just a run of the mill scumbag luring girls to be exploited by her scumbag friend JE for no other reason than that they were perverts looking to satisfy their perverted urges and Mossad had nothing to do with it. The fact that her father is a Mossad agent could be completely incidental. 

I expect that JE had some rich and famous friends that were also perverts - like I said, Prince Andrew isn’t likely the only one. It’s possible that some of these people are powerful and dangerous. But being rich and famous doesn’t make you powerful and dangerous. Look at how miserable things have been for Andrew. He’s been publicly humiliated and can’t do shit about it. That’s likely more typical than the powerful criminal who can get to and take out anyone, or that a foreign intelligence agency is involved. Those things make for good movies but are rare in reality. But you never know. Seriously, we don’t. 

There is the matter of JE’s death. It’s possible (probable even) that his death happened because someone who could be implicated had the means and connections to influence prison officials to take JE off of suicide watch. Or they killed him and the suicide story is a lie (less likely - the simpler explanation is more probable). But what else would we expect to be true if someone killed JE to avoid being  implicated? JE’s death would bring those involved some relief only if JE is taking their secrets to his grave. If there’s damming material left, or damming information could be obtained from GM, why kill JE? I suppose it could serve to scare GM into keeping quiet. But betting that she’ll keep quiet is quite the gamble to take, and as it stands now, GM is still alive (yes, her Mossad agent father could be keeping her alive and keeping everyone quiet - but the more ad hoc explanations we need to posit to make the story hang together the less likely it becomes). 

So what is really going on? I don’t know but I suspect that there are scumbags who are guilty and afraid of being outed. At some level, some of these scumbags may have ties to Trump or his administration. Whether Trump is one of the scumbags isn’t something we have evidence for. But it’s not good if the administration is protecting anyone, and if there’s nothing really there, then they’re acting extremely suspiciously for no reason, and that doesn’t make sense either. Something is amiss and it’s probably ugly. 

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I agree with most of what you said, but Robert Maxwell died in 1991- drowned off his yacht.So even if he was a Mossad agent, 34...

I agree with most of what you said, but Robert Maxwell died in 1991- drowned off his yacht.

So even if he was a Mossad agent, 34 years later I don't think that would have much influence on his daughter unless she picked up the torch and ran with it. 

MPJC wrote:

That was pointed out to me by olds cool. What you’re saying sounds about right to me. 

Or, perhaps the torch picked her up…😎

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So the files were written by Hilary and Obama. But still won't be shown.

What's next from the circus tent?

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I agree with most of what you said, but Robert Maxwell died in 1991- drowned off his yacht.So even if he was a Mossad agent, 34...

I agree with most of what you said, but Robert Maxwell died in 1991- drowned off his yacht.

So even if he was a Mossad agent, 34 years later I don't think that would have much influence on his daughter unless she picked up the torch and ran with it. 

MPJC wrote:

That was pointed out to me by olds cool. What you’re saying sounds about right to me. 

olds cool wrote:

Or, perhaps the torch picked her up…😎

It’s possible that they were part of an internationally coordinated kabal involving Mossad that used the exploitation of children as a means to keep wealthy and powerful people under their thumb via blackmail. It’s also possible that they were a couple of perverts who liked to diddle children and just happened to be wealthy. In this latter case, whatever Maxwell’s father did 30+ years ago would be irrelevant. Draw your own conclusions about what’s more likely, but bear this in mind: Probabilities diminish as they multiply (the more low probability events that are necessary for a narrative to be true, the less likely the narrative). 

To elaborate a bit; Suppose that you have 2 possibilities in a scenario, each with a 25% probability. The probability of both being true is 6.25%. Add one more possibility so you’ve got 3 possibilities each with a 25% probability and the chances that all 3 are true reduce to just over 1.5%. That’s why the more convoluted a story is - the more elements you add that are even moderately improbable - the less likely the story is. Consider the probability that a man whose life was ruined killed himself (very probable - happens all too often) vs was executed in jail, with all that involves (it happens, but much less frequently). Adding just that one element to a story reduces the likelihood of the story dramatically. Also, people who have a bunch of covert stuff going on on the side don’t generally involve their children in it. So there’s another relatively low probability thing to add. The whole international kabal story, needing way too many such things, is the more convoluted possibility, introducing multiple low probability events - events that are there due to conjecture rather than forced on us by inescapable evidence. Compare this Mossad story with the simple possibility of a couple of perverts finding ways to exploit children - we have very strong evidence that this happened. The international kabal involving Mossad includes the main elements of the simple story but adds a whole lot, thus reducing it’s likelihood. Add to that the fact that in general, perverts are more common than Mossad agents (some people are both, but for reasons already mentioned, that is much less probable than being either) and insistence that all of that is going on - interesting as it may be - warrants skepticism, to put it mildly. 

But low probability events do happen. This could be one of those situations. 

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That was pointed out to me by olds cool. What you’re saying sounds about right to me. 

olds cool wrote:

Or, perhaps the torch picked her up…😎

MPJC wrote:
It’s possible that they were part of an internationally coordinated kabal involving Mossad that used the exploitation of children as a means to keep wealthy and...

It’s possible that they were part of an internationally coordinated kabal involving Mossad that used the exploitation of children as a means to keep wealthy and powerful people under their thumb via blackmail. It’s also possible that they were a couple of perverts who liked to diddle children and just happened to be wealthy. In this latter case, whatever Maxwell’s father did 30+ years ago would be irrelevant. Draw your own conclusions about what’s more likely, but bear this in mind: Probabilities diminish as they multiply (the more low probability events that are necessary for a narrative to be true, the less likely the narrative). 

To elaborate a bit; Suppose that you have 2 possibilities in a scenario, each with a 25% probability. The probability of both being true is 6.25%. Add one more possibility so you’ve got 3 possibilities each with a 25% probability and the chances that all 3 are true reduce to just over 1.5%. That’s why the more convoluted a story is - the more elements you add that are even moderately improbable - the less likely the story is. Consider the probability that a man whose life was ruined killed himself (very probable - happens all too often) vs was executed in jail, with all that involves (it happens, but much less frequently). Adding just that one element to a story reduces the likelihood of the story dramatically. Also, people who have a bunch of covert stuff going on on the side don’t generally involve their children in it. So there’s another relatively low probability thing to add. The whole international kabal story, needing way too many such things, is the more convoluted possibility, introducing multiple low probability events - events that are there due to conjecture rather than forced on us by inescapable evidence. Compare this Mossad story with the simple possibility of a couple of perverts finding ways to exploit children - we have very strong evidence that this happened. The international kabal involving Mossad includes the main elements of the simple story but adds a whole lot, thus reducing it’s likelihood. Add to that the fact that in general, perverts are more common than Mossad agents (some people are both, but for reasons already mentioned, that is much less probable than being either) and insistence that all of that is going on - interesting as it may be - warrants skepticism, to put it mildly. 

But low probability events do happen. This could be one of those situations. 

All of it is open to “what if” once the Mossad is dragged into it…

Her fathers death…”why” she was prosecuted…all left open to speculation when you go down the rabbit hole.

Which is what we have here.

Isn’t it? (Referencing the whole damn thread, that is😂) 

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olds cool wrote:

Or, perhaps the torch picked her up…😎

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It’s possible that they were part of an internationally coordinated kabal involving Mossad that used the exploitation of children as a means to keep wealthy and...

It’s possible that they were part of an internationally coordinated kabal involving Mossad that used the exploitation of children as a means to keep wealthy and powerful people under their thumb via blackmail. It’s also possible that they were a couple of perverts who liked to diddle children and just happened to be wealthy. In this latter case, whatever Maxwell’s father did 30+ years ago would be irrelevant. Draw your own conclusions about what’s more likely, but bear this in mind: Probabilities diminish as they multiply (the more low probability events that are necessary for a narrative to be true, the less likely the narrative). 

To elaborate a bit; Suppose that you have 2 possibilities in a scenario, each with a 25% probability. The probability of both being true is 6.25%. Add one more possibility so you’ve got 3 possibilities each with a 25% probability and the chances that all 3 are true reduce to just over 1.5%. That’s why the more convoluted a story is - the more elements you add that are even moderately improbable - the less likely the story is. Consider the probability that a man whose life was ruined killed himself (very probable - happens all too often) vs was executed in jail, with all that involves (it happens, but much less frequently). Adding just that one element to a story reduces the likelihood of the story dramatically. Also, people who have a bunch of covert stuff going on on the side don’t generally involve their children in it. So there’s another relatively low probability thing to add. The whole international kabal story, needing way too many such things, is the more convoluted possibility, introducing multiple low probability events - events that are there due to conjecture rather than forced on us by inescapable evidence. Compare this Mossad story with the simple possibility of a couple of perverts finding ways to exploit children - we have very strong evidence that this happened. The international kabal involving Mossad includes the main elements of the simple story but adds a whole lot, thus reducing it’s likelihood. Add to that the fact that in general, perverts are more common than Mossad agents (some people are both, but for reasons already mentioned, that is much less probable than being either) and insistence that all of that is going on - interesting as it may be - warrants skepticism, to put it mildly. 

But low probability events do happen. This could be one of those situations. 

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All of it is open to “what if” once the Mossad is dragged into it…Her fathers death…”why” she was prosecuted…all left open to speculation when you...

All of it is open to “what if” once the Mossad is dragged into it…

Her fathers death…”why” she was prosecuted…all left open to speculation when you go down the rabbit hole.

Which is what we have here.

Isn’t it? (Referencing the whole damn thread, that is😂) 

Certainly. But once one’s eyes adjust to the light in the rabbit hole, it can become difficult to see clearly. 

Then again, some conspiracies are true. I wouldn’t rule anything out. I also wouldn’t insist that you have to agree with me or you’re blind/ignorant/nuts/etc. 

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It’s possible that they were part of an internationally coordinated kabal involving Mossad that used the exploitation of children as a means to keep wealthy and...

It’s possible that they were part of an internationally coordinated kabal involving Mossad that used the exploitation of children as a means to keep wealthy and powerful people under their thumb via blackmail. It’s also possible that they were a couple of perverts who liked to diddle children and just happened to be wealthy. In this latter case, whatever Maxwell’s father did 30+ years ago would be irrelevant. Draw your own conclusions about what’s more likely, but bear this in mind: Probabilities diminish as they multiply (the more low probability events that are necessary for a narrative to be true, the less likely the narrative). 

To elaborate a bit; Suppose that you have 2 possibilities in a scenario, each with a 25% probability. The probability of both being true is 6.25%. Add one more possibility so you’ve got 3 possibilities each with a 25% probability and the chances that all 3 are true reduce to just over 1.5%. That’s why the more convoluted a story is - the more elements you add that are even moderately improbable - the less likely the story is. Consider the probability that a man whose life was ruined killed himself (very probable - happens all too often) vs was executed in jail, with all that involves (it happens, but much less frequently). Adding just that one element to a story reduces the likelihood of the story dramatically. Also, people who have a bunch of covert stuff going on on the side don’t generally involve their children in it. So there’s another relatively low probability thing to add. The whole international kabal story, needing way too many such things, is the more convoluted possibility, introducing multiple low probability events - events that are there due to conjecture rather than forced on us by inescapable evidence. Compare this Mossad story with the simple possibility of a couple of perverts finding ways to exploit children - we have very strong evidence that this happened. The international kabal involving Mossad includes the main elements of the simple story but adds a whole lot, thus reducing it’s likelihood. Add to that the fact that in general, perverts are more common than Mossad agents (some people are both, but for reasons already mentioned, that is much less probable than being either) and insistence that all of that is going on - interesting as it may be - warrants skepticism, to put it mildly. 

But low probability events do happen. This could be one of those situations. 

TeamGreen wrote:
All of it is open to “what if” once the Mossad is dragged into it…Her fathers death…”why” she was prosecuted…all left open to speculation when you...

All of it is open to “what if” once the Mossad is dragged into it…

Her fathers death…”why” she was prosecuted…all left open to speculation when you go down the rabbit hole.

Which is what we have here.

Isn’t it? (Referencing the whole damn thread, that is😂) 

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Certainly. But once one’s eyes adjust to the light in the rabbit hole, it can become difficult to see clearly. Then again, some conspiracies are true. I...

Certainly. But once one’s eyes adjust to the light in the rabbit hole, it can become difficult to see clearly. 

Then again, some conspiracies are true. I wouldn’t rule anything out. I also wouldn’t insist that you have to agree with me or you’re blind/ignorant/nuts/etc. 

And…there it is.👍🏼

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Everything they tell you on right wing tv and audio shows is bullshit meant only to manipulate you. These are evil people and you shouldn't trust them. 

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Oh yeah, because the rest of the media is so truthful, honest, and planted in reality.

And not at all parroting the hopes and dreams of leftist politicians to, create massive civil unrest, violence, and even calling for some to, get shot, for their cause.

 

Congrats, your post will easily grab the most laughs of the day.

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Oh yeah, because the rest of the media is so truthful, honest, and planted in reality.And not at all parroting the hopes and dreams of leftist...

Oh yeah, because the rest of the media is so truthful, honest, and planted in reality.

And not at all parroting the hopes and dreams of leftist politicians to, create massive civil unrest, violence, and even calling for some to, get shot, for their cause.

 

Congrats, your post will easily grab the most laughs of the day.

These are the words of a person who doesn't have the capacity or desire to think for themself.

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Oh yeah, because the rest of the media is so truthful, honest, and planted in reality.And not at all parroting the hopes and dreams of leftist...

Oh yeah, because the rest of the media is so truthful, honest, and planted in reality.

And not at all parroting the hopes and dreams of leftist politicians to, create massive civil unrest, violence, and even calling for some to, get shot, for their cause.

 

Congrats, your post will easily grab the most laughs of the day.

early wrote:

These are the words of a person who doesn't have the capacity or desire to think for themself.

You follow mainstream narrative and have a problem with those that don’t. Classic.

You Can Not Make This Shit Up

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