Inner clutch hub nut came loose . I torqued it. Use red lock tight ?

I just changed the inner hub.  I thought I broke the clutch cable. There was nothing at the lever. The top of the cable was good. So I pulled the ignition cover & that cable   was good. I put my finger & the clutch lift lever moved freely.  That part connects to the clutch rod.it should Not move easy.   I take the clutch cover off & pressure plate . And I see the nut backed off the inner clutch hub.  Is it recommended to use red lock tight or blue.  I,m switching the parts to another bike eventually. Thx

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Broseph
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6/28/2025 9:46pm Edited Date/Time 6/28/2025 9:47pm

Is this the double boost port CR125 with the Geiger porting? You’ll never be able to keep a clutch nut on that beast. Too much torque. Might try welding it next time. 

What happened to the tab lock washer?

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6/29/2025 12:07am

The washer is on there.  I torqued the nut too.  I never had that happen.  I thought I broke the end of the shaft that goes on the clutch rod. But that’s good see. I normally don’t use stiffer springs but I am now.  Wiseco inner hub Hinson was sold out. Hinson basket , pressure plate & clutch kit with steel plates.  I went into a corner & the lever was dead .  I  had old gas in the bike after a break I checked the gas . And wanted to burn it off so I went for a fast lap lap then it happened.IMG 3611

6/29/2025 4:20am

Did you forget to bend the lock washer?

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6/29/2025 7:33am

No 1 tab was bent in good the other was bent in enough to stop the nut.  That’s why I asked about blue lock tight on it.  All those clutch parts are coming off & going on a different bike. Otherwise I would red lock tight it. 

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6/29/2025 8:23am
Did you forget to bend the lock washer?

Did you forget to bend the lock washer?

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Yes torqued to 51 lbs + a little bit more.  I can’t be the only 1 this happened too right ?  

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6/29/2025 10:14am

Red lock tight will loosen up with a small torch or a heatgun if you want to make sure it stays tight. Get it above 500f and it will back right off

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6/29/2025 10:49am

It’s a funky deal might snap the inner hub notches out then .  The track is concrete hard with holes there at angles & etc.  a 40 yr old that did LL on a 80 against RC even said 2 laps & your hands are beat to hell.   Wayy rougher than The LL track.  Only 1 other rider did a couple laps.  On the pipe you hit a ton of holes the bars whip left& rt 8+ times I hv my head stem tight too. Everyone was riding a small track in the pits. Too many kids to land on there. I barely got in any laps it hurts like hell to stand b4 riding . Bored out of my mind I figured I can’t get anymore injured . 

6/29/2025 4:05pm
No 1 tab was bent in good the other was bent in enough to stop the nut.  That’s why I asked about blue lock tight on...

No 1 tab was bent in good the other was bent in enough to stop the nut.  That’s why I asked about blue lock tight on it.  All those clutch parts are coming off & going on a different bike. Otherwise I would red lock tight it. 

The lock washer tabs would normally be enough to stop it backing out without loctite, those holes must have been bad.

6/30/2025 8:41am

Those holes ? What holes ? 

7/1/2025 9:53am

Nut cannot back out if you have lock washer orientated correctly. Either threads are stripped or your small gear is backing out of basket. 

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7/1/2025 8:14pm

The 1st time I threaded the nut on . It only went on so far and stopped . I took it off then it went on good.  I think the nut is bad the threads look good tho.  I borrowed a nut from my mod bike that’s apart.  I rode a small track & the clutch worked perfectly.   Pic of today the tabs on the washer are closer to the nut than the pic . Tabs are a little tough to get down. IMG 3638 1.jpeg?VersionId=fV

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7/1/2025 9:22pm Edited Date/Time 7/1/2025 9:23pm

- You did not install that lock washer correctly its upside down.. New nut, New washer, Little bit of Locktite, Lock both sides 

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7/2/2025 8:01am

- You did not install that lock washer correctly its upside down.. New nut, New washer, Little bit of Locktite, Lock both sides 

I installed the washer the same way as it was oem stock or when it was built.  The 2 tabs bend over the nut.  I think that’s correct .  I work on the bikes outside on blacktop so I get heated up if I,m there all day.  Those pics are real hard to see exactly what is going on. 

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7/2/2025 8:19am

- You did not install that lock washer correctly its upside down.. New nut, New washer, Little bit of Locktite, Lock both sides 

I installed the washer the same way as it was oem stock or when it was built.  The 2 tabs bend over the nut.  I think...

I installed the washer the same way as it was oem stock or when it was built.  The 2 tabs bend over the nut.  I think that’s correct .  I work on the bikes outside on blacktop so I get heated up if I,m there all day.  Those pics are real hard to see exactly what is going on. 

Hondas4life is 100% correct 

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7/2/2025 10:16am

He’s a profeshenal. Do not doubt his word. 

7/2/2025 4:19pm Edited Date/Time 7/2/2025 5:41pm

- You did not install that lock washer correctly its upside down.. New nut, New washer, Little bit of Locktite, Lock both sides 

I installed the washer the same way as it was oem stock or when it was built.  The 2 tabs bend over the nut.  I think...

I installed the washer the same way as it was oem stock or when it was built.  The 2 tabs bend over the nut.  I think that’s correct .  I work on the bikes outside on blacktop so I get heated up if I,m there all day.  Those pics are real hard to see exactly what is going on. 

Is this better...

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CR250's manual picture is clearer...

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7/2/2025 5:33pm
The 1st time I threaded the nut on . It only went on so far and stopped . I took it off then it went on...

The 1st time I threaded the nut on . It only went on so far and stopped . I took it off then it went on good.  I think the nut is bad the threads look good tho.  I borrowed a nut from my mod bike that’s apart.  I rode a small track & the clutch worked perfectly.   Pic of today the tabs on the washer are closer to the nut than the pic . Tabs are a little tough to get down. IMG 3638 1.jpeg?VersionId=fV

Tell me you are going to soak those drive plates in oil before you install them.

7/2/2025 8:31pm

- You did not install that lock washer correctly its upside down.. New nut, New washer, Little bit of Locktite, Lock both sides 

I installed the washer the same way as it was oem stock or when it was built.  The 2 tabs bend over the nut.  I think...

I installed the washer the same way as it was oem stock or when it was built.  The 2 tabs bend over the nut.  I think that’s correct .  I work on the bikes outside on blacktop so I get heated up if I,m there all day.  Those pics are real hard to see exactly what is going on. 

Is this better...CR250's manual picture is clearer...

Is this better...

image 1820.png?VersionId=.kgQq4pimage 1818

CR250's manual picture is clearer...

image 1819.png?VersionId=djXH3PK.vWj

Thx I can see the 2 tabs facing in to hook on the inner hub now.  My book didn’t hv much for pics, etc. I  put it together the same way it came apart .  I,ll just take it apart again no biggy.  Not like the 1st time my flywheel puller has a couple bad threads - hassle . Pull the strator & clutch lift arm to check it.  It’s 68 bucks still available at service Honda I think they hv the cheapest oem parts.  Hey I noticed the rt hole on the stator is bigger . Probably to change timing right ?  I installed it in the same spot.  I woukd like to move the power to higher rpm,s.   I used to stack 2-3 base gaskets.   Try a different pipe then drop a tooth I hv a cometic spacer  plate but need a base gasket on each side .  1 tooth less smooths the hard hit out & spreads the power out with more pull on top.   

7/2/2025 9:04pm
I installed the washer the same way as it was oem stock or when it was built.  The 2 tabs bend over the nut.  I think...

I installed the washer the same way as it was oem stock or when it was built.  The 2 tabs bend over the nut.  I think that’s correct .  I work on the bikes outside on blacktop so I get heated up if I,m there all day.  Those pics are real hard to see exactly what is going on. 

Is this better...CR250's manual picture is clearer...

Is this better...

image 1820.png?VersionId=.kgQq4pimage 1818

CR250's manual picture is clearer...

image 1819.png?VersionId=djXH3PK.vWj
Thx I can see the 2 tabs facing in to hook on the inner hub now.  My book didn’t hv much for pics, etc. I  put...

Thx I can see the 2 tabs facing in to hook on the inner hub now.  My book didn’t hv much for pics, etc. I  put it together the same way it came apart .  I,ll just take it apart again no biggy.  Not like the 1st time my flywheel puller has a couple bad threads - hassle . Pull the strator & clutch lift arm to check it.  It’s 68 bucks still available at service Honda I think they hv the cheapest oem parts.  Hey I noticed the rt hole on the stator is bigger . Probably to change timing right ?  I installed it in the same spot.  I woukd like to move the power to higher rpm,s.   I used to stack 2-3 base gaskets.   Try a different pipe then drop a tooth I hv a cometic spacer  plate but need a base gasket on each side .  1 tooth less smooths the hard hit out & spreads the power out with more pull on top.   

Buy a service manual, they are usually available new from Helm, but it looks like they are out of stock...

https://www.helminc.com/helm/Result.asp?Style=helm&Mfg=AHC&Make=AHC&Model=CR02&Year=2004&Category=1&Keyword=&Module=&selected%5Fmedia=

There's one on eBay...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/186606619796

The hole on the stator plate is elongated to adjust timing...

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7/3/2025 9:04pm

- You did not install that lock washer correctly its upside down.. New nut, New washer, Little bit of Locktite, Lock both sides 

I installed the washer the same way as it was oem stock or when it was built.  The 2 tabs bend over the nut.  I think...

I installed the washer the same way as it was oem stock or when it was built.  The 2 tabs bend over the nut.  I think that’s correct .  I work on the bikes outside on blacktop so I get heated up if I,m there all day.  Those pics are real hard to see exactly what is going on. 

Is this better...CR250's manual picture is clearer...

Is this better...

image 1820.png?VersionId=.kgQq4pimage 1818

CR250's manual picture is clearer...

image 1819.png?VersionId=djXH3PK.vWj

Try to post for the 3rd time my pics keep deleting it.  Great pic my book doesn’t hv it.  In a time crunch I got it rt now . My janky vise grip hub holder slipped & t wrench got my upper lip .  Dying to try the hgs pipe I installed it with a fmf shorty .  After working on a bunch of stuff I went to the y shower, whirlpool , sauna . Then go load up I rode the little track I Really like the pipe it got rid of the 2-3 quick blips a 04 is know for run smoother low to mid .  Mid has a nasty pull

Yet into a high rev  topend . I can lean it out more 390 to 380   , needle is 1/2 leaner, 40 pilot getting a 37.5 , sir crew played with it 1 1/2 to 2 out .  It’s quick & real fun to ride c12 bikes usually are.  

7/3/2025 9:05pm

Pics won’t upload again, ah

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