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To quote thatonemxguy :
“For now anyway. Classic case of creating the problem and then being the solution”
The creation of the problem wasn’t Trump ending Obama’s deal, it was Obama’s deal. It actually assured that Iran would end up with a nuke.
This conveniently leaves out the part where trump pulled out of the jcpoa “iran nuclear deal”. Its always someone elses fault tho…
Exactly.
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Amazing how all the radical muslim apologists/defenders in this forum, wouldnt live in that shithole country for a single day, nor would let their own wife/daugther be subjected to the horrors them looney goat fuckers perform, daily.
"and then their nuclear enrichment began again."
^^^ This is why. doesn't matter how it got to this point.
We can send all the refugees from the war your way?
Oh no, they will end up in Europe and we will have to listen to insufferable Americans telling us we have too many Muslims here after they create another failed state in the Middle-East.
Europe has -allowed- the aftermath of middle-eastern and northern African wars and shit-shows to affect them in the way you’re describing. And we have plenty of that aftermath, here, too. There’s plenty of responsibility that belongs in our lap and Europe’s lap, too. And let’s not forget the wonderful contributions from the fine folks in Russia, China…and our current subject…Iran…Chief investor in the fine org’s known as Hamas, Hezbollah and The Houthis.
Besides all that…let’s not forget that little skirmish…The Balkans/Yugoslav Wars…and the displaced folks there-in, also.
Oh, how about Albania? Georgia? Well, I think that’s a good start.
So, if we’re gonna lay all of this at our feet? So be it. We’ll take it from here.
Going forward, ALL this shit needs to end. Ukraine, Syria, multiple locations thru-out Africa…etc., etc., etc.
Theyre speed running the exact same playbook
Youre literally just making up completely fabricated scenarios in your head and then accusing people of supporting them, because you have no actual argument against what was presented. This thread is about not getting bogged down in yet another middle eastern war, when the last 50 times in a row we tried it, it was a disaster. Trying to conflate that with somehow = supporting radical islam is just stupid and you knew it when you typed it.
Go back and quote me the exact spot in this thread before your post where anyone “defended or apologized for radical muslims, acid attacks, or forced hijabs” You pulled it out of your ass.
In fact after our 20 years of failure in the middle east (I would know I’m a Marine vet with 2 tours over seas) it was left in worse shape than when we started. The taliban is now in complete control of afghanistan and women have no rights. On top of that our failed wars caused floods of refugees to flow into europe. So if anything if youre against those things that you pulled out of your ass, you should be against causing more failed states, terrorists, and refugees… Your argument that not wanting to cause more terrorism, refugees, and failed states = supporting radical islam is completely stupid and makes absolutely no sense. Next time try not making shit up and see if that works out better.
Me thinks you been Shmokin’ too much of your own shit, Pop. Your overcorrecting ridiculous rants on everything from race to politics are absurd and sickening. Just stfu sometimes.
Go ahead you can do it too. Point me to the quote where anybody said they support radical islam, acid attacks or forced hijabs just because we dont want yet another forever war. Sounds like youre mad too because instead of saying what was wrong youre just emotional and yelling at the clouds for everyone to shut up. I did 2 tours over seas, and it was all for nothing. What a pos I am for not wanting us to make the exact same mistake all over again. Go ahead and tell me I’m wrong and we should go do it all over again. Tell me.
Pot kettle black.
Right? He’s not getting it
While this is super tragic, I don't think that atrocities like this is why the neo-cons are into escalating the conflict. I'd say there not being any Starbucks or Mcdonalds in the country is more closer to the heart of the issue.
Holy smokes,, someone grab the gig !!
Amen Brother!
He’s talking about you Captain Ron.
YOU don’t get it.
This is yet another thread where all you’re doing is throwing insults at anyone you don’t agree with.
Pit Row
If the old saying "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it" needed a real world example, Afghanistan is an excellent choice. The people have to want change. Obviously they didn't. Or we could argue they didn't want it enough. Also, as a nation, we didn't learn anything from all the time Russia spent in Afghanistan, which got them nowhere.
That said, it's been proven that Iran is enriching uranium beyond the concentrations that are required for power generation use. It's also been proven that Iran is a sponsor of terrorist activities all over the middle east. Do we really want a state sponsor of terrorism with nuclear capabilities? That leads down a path no one wants to go down...
North Korea, Pakistan, India, etc are all Nuke powers that sponsor terrorism. Won’t make a difference if Iran becomes one even though all the intelligence points to them not having that goal. Israel is a nuke power and the most destabilizing player in the region that has continually shown it wants to control and eliminate most of its neighbors.
The countries you mentioned as having nuclear capability are not as radical as Iran is, and they have different goals than Iran's leadership does. Apples to oranges there
What is your yardstick for “radical”?
Because the current state of Israel can easily be considered radical as is Iran.
Israel is essentially at this time a fundamentalist religious ethno state. It’s even described as a quasi fascist ethno state by many of its own citizens.
It has a long standing plan and goal of hegemony in the Middle East through disruption and destabilization I.E. Syrian, Lebanon etc.
it uses proxies as does Iran, I.E. ISIS, Al Queda, Kurds, FSA.
It has an extreme religious faction that currently controls the government.
It engages in ethnic cleansing and mass killing campaigns.
It’s a nuclear power that does not participate in any type of checks, balances, inspections, etc.
It purposely drags the US into conflicts in the ME to serve its interests and no others.
LOL. You realize we drill more oil in the USA than we import right?.... Hilary gave them Uranium, Obama gave $400 Million cash on pallets (I remember watching the news footage of the pallets being loaded on Globemasters, and Another nearly $2 Billion from Biden...but yeah Trumps fault..
All I know is that I voted to "MAGA" and this is not part of that agenda. It sucks right now, but there must be a bigger picture that I don't see. Trump did give warning ahead of time to evacuate, which was odd, so the Iranians had some time to remove "things" from the area...
It is part of the plan if you look ahead. He’s actually doing something about the problem that so many people have complained about for years. You may be confusing the Iranian leadership with actual rational people.
No way something couldn't follow all those trucks to where they were going?
Ok so you mention multiple countries, and when I challenge your statement, you focus on one. Israel. A nation who Iran wants to wipe from the face of the earth, along with the rest of western civilization. Not really a good comparison.
I'm not saying what Israel does is acceptable. However, they don't want the western world to burn.
if Biden has pulled this, would we still be cheering? Honest question.
Neither does Iran.
If they did you’d be seeing massive acts of terror against the US which really isn’t something that has happened aside from 9/11 and that’s a whole other can of worms concerning who the players involved are.
Iran has and continually shown restraint against Israel and the US.
You can see that clearly in Trumps actions and dialogue with Iran. He knows they are somewhat reasonable and willing to negotiate.
All those countries I mentioned are as radical as Iran.
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