Israel hits Iran

cheesehead420 wrote:

I agree with you in most things but to say that Israel is a secular state is absurd. They are a Zionist Judaic fundamentalist state. They...

I agree with you in most things but to say that Israel is a secular state is absurd. They are a Zionist Judaic fundamentalist state. They are religious zealots no different from the Islamic zealots. Generally speaking and taken as a whole they absolutely hate anyone not Jewish and are not afraid to say so. I just dont understand how you could say that they’re some secular state that welcomes diversity? 

And please understand that I am not discounting the rest of your post on the dangers of Islam. I am not a fan of either

 

truck wrote:

Absolutely absurd thing to say. If you had to choose to move to a neighborhood full of fundamentalist Islamists or Jews it would be an easy...

Absolutely absurd thing to say. If you had to choose to move to a neighborhood full of fundamentalist Islamists or Jews it would be an easy decision and you know it. They are not the same. If Israel held similar beliefs as Islamists do about their enemies the Middle East would be a nuclear wasteland. 

cheesehead420 wrote:

“If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice” -RushThere are always options. It’s unfortunate there are so many people like yourself that...

“If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice” -Rush

There are always options. It’s unfortunate there are so many people like yourself that have fallen into this ‘toe the party line or it means you’re supporting the other side’ crap. 

Abrahamic religions are a scourge on humanity. Between these two; one looks upon the infidel and desires to kill them unless they convert. The other sees the non believer and wants to exploit, connive and financially enslave them. It is what their god implores them to do. 

These people have no god, they have a book. These people have no dharma, they have dogma. 

MPJC wrote:

Good lord, you sound like my mother when she was suffering from advanced dementia when you say the Jew “wants to exploit, connive and financially enslave...

Good lord, you sound like my mother when she was suffering from advanced dementia when you say the Jew “wants to exploit, connive and financially enslave them. It is what their god implores them to do.” It’s what she learned growing up in the 1930s and her mind reverted back to it. It’s such a tired old stereotype that it’s amazing that anyone in their right mind still states it unironically. But it’s not rooted in antisemitism, right? It’s not as though it’s the sentiment that the Nazis exploited in their propaganda, and it certainly didn’t animate the chants of “Jews will not replace us” in Charlottesville in 2017 either, right? But let me guess, it’s not bigotry because it’s true. 

Fundamentalist Islam on the other hand explicitly states that apostates should be executed and infidels should convert or die. But even so, I’ve yet to meet a Muslim that wants to kill me (as far as I know!). We can criticize the religion and its ideas without thinking that all Muslims are murderous savages. 

I too dislike all Abramic religions and despise having been subjected to one of them (probably not hard to guess which one) but I try not to let that translate into disliking people based on their religion. And when you’re saying “the Muslim thinks this and the Jew does that” you’re going beyond criticizing ideas to stereotyping people. 

MPJC wrote:

Good lord, you sound like my mother when she was suffering from advanced dementia when you say the Jew “wants to exploit, connive and financially enslave...

Good lord, you sound like my mother when she was suffering from advanced dementia when you say the Jew “wants to exploit, connive and financially enslave them. It is what their god implores them to do.” It’s what she learned growing up in the 1930s and her mind reverted back to it. It’s such a tired old stereotype that it’s amazing that anyone in their right mind still states it unironically. But it’s not rooted in antisemitism, right? It’s not as though it’s the sentiment that the Nazis exploited in their propaganda, and it certainly didn’t animate the chants of “Jews will not replace us” in Charlottesville in 2017 either, right? But let me guess, it’s not bigotry because it’s true. 

Fundamentalist Islam on the other hand explicitly states that apostates should be executed and infidels should convert or die. But even so, I’ve yet to meet a Muslim that wants to kill me (as far as I know!). We can criticize the religion and its ideas without thinking that all Muslims are murderous savages. 

I too dislike all Abramic religions and despise having been subjected to one of them (probably not hard to guess which one) but I try not to let that translate into disliking people based on their religion. And when you’re saying “the Muslim thinks this and the Jew does that” you’re going beyond criticizing ideas to stereotyping people. 

JAFO92 wrote:

(as far as I know!)

 

MPJC wrote:

Good lord, you sound like my mother when she was suffering from advanced dementia when you say the Jew “wants to exploit, connive and financially enslave...

Good lord, you sound like my mother when she was suffering from advanced dementia when you say the Jew “wants to exploit, connive and financially enslave them. It is what their god implores them to do.” It’s what she learned growing up in the 1930s and her mind reverted back to it. It’s such a tired old stereotype that it’s amazing that anyone in their right mind still states it unironically. But it’s not rooted in antisemitism, right? It’s not as though it’s the sentiment that the Nazis exploited in their propaganda, and it certainly didn’t animate the chants of “Jews will not replace us” in Charlottesville in 2017 either, right? But let me guess, it’s not bigotry because it’s true. 

Fundamentalist Islam on the other hand explicitly states that apostates should be executed and infidels should convert or die. But even so, I’ve yet to meet a Muslim that wants to kill me (as far as I know!). We can criticize the religion and its ideas without thinking that all Muslims are murderous savages. 

I too dislike all Abramic religions and despise having been subjected to one of them (probably not hard to guess which one) but I try not to let that translate into disliking people based on their religion. And when you’re saying “the Muslim thinks this and the Jew does that” you’re going beyond criticizing ideas to stereotyping people. 

MPJC wrote:

Good lord, you sound like my mother when she was suffering from advanced dementia when you say the Jew “wants to exploit, connive and financially enslave...

Good lord, you sound like my mother when she was suffering from advanced dementia when you say the Jew “wants to exploit, connive and financially enslave them. It is what their god implores them to do.” It’s what she learned growing up in the 1930s and her mind reverted back to it. It’s such a tired old stereotype that it’s amazing that anyone in their right mind still states it unironically. But it’s not rooted in antisemitism, right? It’s not as though it’s the sentiment that the Nazis exploited in their propaganda, and it certainly didn’t animate the chants of “Jews will not replace us” in Charlottesville in 2017 either, right? But let me guess, it’s not bigotry because it’s true. 

Fundamentalist Islam on the other hand explicitly states that apostates should be executed and infidels should convert or die. But even so, I’ve yet to meet a Muslim that wants to kill me (as far as I know!). We can criticize the religion and its ideas without thinking that all Muslims are murderous savages. 

I too dislike all Abramic religions and despise having been subjected to one of them (probably not hard to guess which one) but I try not to let that translate into disliking people based on their religion. And when you’re saying “the Muslim thinks this and the Jew does that” you’re going beyond criticizing ideas to stereotyping people. 

cheesehead420 wrote:

Stereotypes exist for a reason. They are common knowledge accumulated and passed down over for over a thousand years in the case of islam, and over...

Stereotypes exist for a reason. They are common knowledge accumulated and passed down over for over a thousand years in the case of islam, and over 2 thousand years in reference to judaism. 

"What people call 'stereotypes' are what scientists call 'empirical generalizations,' and they are the foundation of scientific theory. That's what scientists do; they make generalizations. Many stereotypes are empirical generalizations with a statistical basis and thus on average tend to be true.” 

Please understand that I hold no contempt or disdain towards any individual. Jew, Muslim or Christian. They, we, and I myself, have all been conditioned to certain extent by 1 or all of these horrible religions. 
 

I am going to attempt to use a parable.

———-

Everyday at work in order for me to MAKE money I have to do what boils down to exploitation. I have to sell my product and my labor for more then what it costs me in order to make money. If I do not do this, I will die. This is profit and profit is necessary only because of the political and economic structure of the way we have decided to organize our society. Ultimately I believe this is wrong and the basis for so much pain and suffering, but I digress. 
While I am aware of this contradiction to my own personal philosophy, I still choose nonetheless to continue to do so because of my desire to survive and hopefully thrive. It’s a dog eat dog world out there but it doesn’t have to be. We as individuals can do something about it if we are willing to take responsibility and take back our humanity. 

I’m no TXdirt and maybe not so articulate but my point is is that I do not blame the individual. It is the system that we have created around us that has conditioned individuals into these patterns of behavior that I blame! It is the system we have created around us which legally prohibits us as individuals from taking full responsibility for our own selfs! It is this system that rewards usury, exploitation, dishonesty and corruption that I blame! We must destroy these institutions of hierarchy if we the people are ever to find common ground and regain our humanity! 

TXDirt wrote:

Right — quote a UN-affiliated headline, drop an insult, then pretend you're the voice of moral clarity. Predictable and lazy.Let’s dismantle this “deadliest year for children”...

Right — quote a UN-affiliated headline, drop an insult, then pretend you're the voice of moral clarity. Predictable and lazy.

Let’s dismantle this “deadliest year for children” claim from the ReliefWeb article, which — like most of these surface-level NGO reports — is long on emotion and headlines, short on context and accountability.

1. “Children killed” — by what? And why?
What these reports never clarify is how many of those “children” were actively engaged in violence — throwing Molotov cocktails, firing weapons, or acting as lookouts for terrorist cells. In many cases, we're talking about older teens involved in hostile acts. Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad have a long, well-documented history of recruiting and using minors — but you’ll never see that footnoted in your headlines.

2. “Occupied West Bank” — ah, the magic word.
Slap "occupation" on anything and suddenly it becomes self-justifying victimhood. But here’s the reality: Israel regularly enters West Bank towns for counterterrorism operations, because Palestinian Authority security forces either can’t or won’t stop the growing presence of armed militants. You know what happened in 2023? A surge in shooting attacks, car rammings, and stabbings targeting Israelis — many of them civilians, many of them children themselves.

3. The source itself — ReliefWeb/UN OCHA.
These organizations routinely rely on Palestinian Ministry of Health data, which is run by Hamas in Gaza and PA-aligned factions in the West Bank. These “health” ministries have a track record of inflated numbers, false attribution, and listing anyone under 18 as a “child,” regardless of whether they were holding a rifle or building IEDs. If a 17-year-old carrying an AK-47 gets shot in a gunfight, that still goes in the “child casualty” column — and you eat it up without question.

4. No moral equivalence.
Israel doesn’t target children. Hamas and other terror groups deliberately use them — to shield rockets, to run messages, to provoke headlines like the one you just parroted. If you’re going to talk about dead kids, have the guts to point your outrage at the people who put them in the crosshairs on purpose.

So no — we don’t need a copy-paste worldview. I believe in calling out real evil, not just the easy, headline-fed kind. I believe in truth over optics, and I believe anyone who uses dead children as rhetorical props without examining who’s weaponizing them is either uninformed or dishonest.

Enjoy the comfort of your moral shortcuts.

aeffertz wrote:

Funny! Get this Hasbara shit outta my face, seriously. Enjoy being on the wrong side of history bud. “Calling out real evil” Brother… Benjamin NetanyahuI is...

Funny! Get this Hasbara shit outta my face, seriously. Enjoy being on the wrong side of history bud. “Calling out real evil” Brother… Benjamin NetanyahuI is a war criminal. I guess since this is the Iran thread I’ll post another fun fact.

Netanyahu said that an Iranian nuclear strike on Israel would be like "10,000 tons of TNT falling on a country the size of New Jersey (22,610 km2)."

Israel has dropped ~80,000 tons of explosives on Gaza (365 km2) - the equivalent of 8 nukes on 1.6% the size of New Jersey.

So happy our tax dollars are going towards killing all these brown people am I right? Also too fucking funny that every response to me calling me an idiot, a jackass, a dumbfuck, a dipshit is fine. But the moment I say someone is a dork for saying this is all because October 7th it’s instantly “Wow, way to resort to name calling!”

MPJC wrote:

Well, you never know who might want you dead. 

cheesehead420 wrote:

I agree with you in most things but to say that Israel is a secular state is absurd. They are a Zionist Judaic fundamentalist state. They...

I agree with you in most things but to say that Israel is a secular state is absurd. They are a Zionist Judaic fundamentalist state. They are religious zealots no different from the Islamic zealots. Generally speaking and taken as a whole they absolutely hate anyone not Jewish and are not afraid to say so. I just dont understand how you could say that they’re some secular state that welcomes diversity? 

And please understand that I am not discounting the rest of your post on the dangers of Islam. I am not a fan of either

 

truck wrote:

Absolutely absurd thing to say. If you had to choose to move to a neighborhood full of fundamentalist Islamists or Jews it would be an easy...

Absolutely absurd thing to say. If you had to choose to move to a neighborhood full of fundamentalist Islamists or Jews it would be an easy decision and you know it. They are not the same. If Israel held similar beliefs as Islamists do about their enemies the Middle East would be a nuclear wasteland. 

cheesehead420 wrote:

“If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice” -RushThere are always options. It’s unfortunate there are so many people like yourself that...

“If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice” -Rush

There are always options. It’s unfortunate there are so many people like yourself that have fallen into this ‘toe the party line or it means you’re supporting the other side’ crap. 

Abrahamic religions are a scourge on humanity. Between these two; one looks upon the infidel and desires to kill them unless they convert. The other sees the non believer and wants to exploit, connive and financially enslave them. It is what their god implores them to do. 

These people have no god, they have a book. These people have no dharma, they have dogma. 

LoudLove wrote:

What’s the prize for winning arguments in Non-Moto?  Must be something special for all the grandstanding being lobbed.

TeamGreen wrote:

On October 7th, 43 Americans murdered among the murdered Jews, Christians and Muslims…and let’s not forget murdered infants in their cribs…old women with slashed throats in...

On October 7th, 43 Americans murdered among the murdered Jews, Christians and Muslims…and let’s not forget murdered infants in their cribs…old women with slashed throats in the streets…remember? 

Iran/The IRGC planned and the funded attack…Hamas, Hezbollah…the Houthis…all of whom joined in on the aftermath…that’s a factual reminder for those that might forget the reality of this. 

Hostages…AGAIN. Americans…DEAD and alive among them. 

“Death to Israel”

“Death to America”

And here’s the worst part, attempting to explain to ignorant fools that Iran has been a terrorist state for 46 years…hence, the ORIGINAL HOSTAGES…lest we forget? Carter…hostages…remember? 

The Marine Barracks in Lebanon…attacks on our bases in the ME…killing our troops in Iraq, Syria and other countries via their proxies…

Etc., etc., etc. …

Apparently we have those amongst us that continue to defend Iran, the Ayatollah and the Mullahs…no worries. We know who the kooks are. They make themselves obvious and they should be embarrassed…but, they’re not smart enough to “get it”. That’s ok. The little bus is always gonna have its occupants. 

You Can Not Make This Shit Up

LoudLove wrote:

What’s the prize for winning arguments in Non-Moto?  Must be something special for all the grandstanding being lobbed.

TXDirt wrote:

Oh good, you're back with another angry cut-and-paste — nukes, race-baiting, UN stats, and just enough profanity to feel brave. Let’s break down your mess.Your “Israel...

Oh good, you're back with another angry cut-and-paste — nukes, race-baiting, UN stats, and just enough profanity to feel brave. Let’s break down your mess.

Your “Israel dropped 8 nukes on Gaza” line is laughable. Nukes aren't measured just in tons of TNT — they flatten cities in seconds, incinerate everything, and leave radiation for decades. You’re comparing that to months of targeted airstrikes against terrorist infrastructure that Hamas intentionally hides among civilians. You either don’t understand war or you don’t care — as long as it gives you a catchy outrage headline.

Then you drag out the tired “brown people” card, like Gaza is the only place on earth where Arab lives matter to you. Where were your tears when Assad gassed Syrians? When Iran hanged protesters? When Yemen starved under blockade and civil war? Oh right — none of that fits your favorite target, so silence.

And of course, your crown jewel: the UN “children killed” stat. A favorite tool of people who never bother asking how or why. You don’t mention that Hamas recruits teenagers, stores rockets in schools, and hides behind civilians on purpose because it relies on people like you to parrot the death tolls without context. A 17-year-old launching RPGs at IDF soldiers? Still gets logged as a "child" in your report. Convenient, huh?

You scream “war criminal” like it's punctuation, pretend Netanyahu is the whole Israeli state, and act shocked when people don’t roll over and agree with your rage-bait. You whine about insults but come in calling people “fucking dorks” like you’re leading a middle school rebellion.

You’re not informed. You’re not principled. You’re just loud — and every word makes it clearer that you don’t want peace, you just want Israel gone and Jews quiet.

We’ve seen this routine before. Same script, different thread. And history has already dealt with it.

History won’t remember your post. It barely remembers hashtags. But it always remembers who armed themselves — and who armed excuses.

akillerwombat wrote:

There's no winning arguments in non-moto... it's just people convincing themselves they didn't lose.

LoudLove wrote:

What’s the prize for winning arguments in Non-Moto?  Must be something special for all the grandstanding being lobbed.

TXDirt wrote:

What’s the prize? Watching weak arguments collapse under their own weight while someone pretends tone > truth. It’s not special — just satisfying.

LoudLove wrote:

What’s the prize for winning arguments in Non-Moto?  Must be something special for all the grandstanding being lobbed.

TXDirt wrote:

What’s the prize? Watching weak arguments collapse under their own weight while someone pretends tone > truth. It’s not special — just satisfying.

LoudLove wrote:

Those last two words speak volumes. 

cheesehead420 wrote:

“If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice” -RushThere are always options. It’s unfortunate there are so many people like yourself that...

“If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice” -Rush

There are always options. It’s unfortunate there are so many people like yourself that have fallen into this ‘toe the party line or it means you’re supporting the other side’ crap. 

Abrahamic religions are a scourge on humanity. Between these two; one looks upon the infidel and desires to kill them unless they convert. The other sees the non believer and wants to exploit, connive and financially enslave them. It is what their god implores them to do. 

These people have no god, they have a book. These people have no dharma, they have dogma. 

truck wrote:

Absolutely absurd thing to say. If you had to choose to move to a neighborhood full of fundamentalist Islamists or Jews it would be an easy...

Absolutely absurd thing to say. If you had to choose to move to a neighborhood full of fundamentalist Islamists or Jews it would be an easy decision and you know it. They are not the same. If Israel held similar beliefs as Islamists do about their enemies the Middle East would be a nuclear wasteland. 

cheesehead420 wrote:

“If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice” -RushThere are always options. It’s unfortunate there are so many people like yourself that...

“If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice” -Rush

There are always options. It’s unfortunate there are so many people like yourself that have fallen into this ‘toe the party line or it means you’re supporting the other side’ crap. 

Abrahamic religions are a scourge on humanity. Between these two; one looks upon the infidel and desires to kill them unless they convert. The other sees the non believer and wants to exploit, connive and financially enslave them. It is what their god implores them to do. 

These people have no god, they have a book. These people have no dharma, they have dogma. 

TXDirt wrote:

Right — because sweeping, reductionist takes about billions of people always lead to deep understanding, right?You throw Abrahamic religions under the bus like you’re saying something...

Right — because sweeping, reductionist takes about billions of people always lead to deep understanding, right?

You throw Abrahamic religions under the bus like you’re saying something brave, but all you're doing is trading one form of dogma for another, only yours comes wrapped in smug detachment and pseudo-spiritual jargon. Let’s deal in facts for a moment — since you clearly skipped them on your way to “dharma > dogma.”

Christian organizations and believers have built and sustained some of the most vital institutions on Earth:

Education: The university system itself was pioneered by Christian thinkers — University of Paris, Oxford, Cambridge, and countless others were founded by the Church. Today, Christian institutions educate millionsglobally, often in underserved regions.

Healthcare: Christians founded the first modern hospitals, and today, Christian missions run thousands of clinics and hospitals around the world, particularly in parts of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia, where few others go.

Charity and Aid: World Vision, Compassion International, Catholic Relief Services, Samaritan’s Purse, and Lutheran World Relief are just a few examples of Christian groups that provide billions in global humanitarian aid, disaster relief, and development every year — regardless of the recipients' faith.

Human Rights: Christian abolitionists were instrumental in ending the transatlantic slave trade — people like William Wilberforce in the UK and Frederick Douglass in the U.S. were driven by Christian conviction.

Science: You know who laid the foundations for modern genetics? Gregor Mendel, a Christian monk. Who gave us the scientific method? Francis Bacon, a devout Anglican. The list of Christian scientists who advanced human knowledge is long and undeniable.

Christians have “paved” the very roads you are now spitting on. How brave of you.

Now, is every Christian or Christian institution perfect? Of course not — power can corrupt, and religion has been misused. But you don’t get to define billions of people by their worst examples while ignoring the overwhelming good they’ve done — historically and today.

You said, “These people have no god, they have a book.” But you’ve clearly read neither. If you're going to criticize faiths that shaped the world, at least learn the difference between a doctrine and a drive-by insult.

You're not challenging systems — you're coasting on secondhand cynicism. You want to critique religion? Fine. But try doing it without sounding like you copied it off a Reddit thread written by someone who’s never actually read anything but the headlines.

cheesehead420 wrote:

“If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice” -RushThere are always options. It’s unfortunate there are so many people like yourself that...

“If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice” -Rush

There are always options. It’s unfortunate there are so many people like yourself that have fallen into this ‘toe the party line or it means you’re supporting the other side’ crap. 

Abrahamic religions are a scourge on humanity. Between these two; one looks upon the infidel and desires to kill them unless they convert. The other sees the non believer and wants to exploit, connive and financially enslave them. It is what their god implores them to do. 

These people have no god, they have a book. These people have no dharma, they have dogma. 

TXDirt wrote:

Right — because sweeping, reductionist takes about billions of people always lead to deep understanding, right?You throw Abrahamic religions under the bus like you’re saying something...

Right — because sweeping, reductionist takes about billions of people always lead to deep understanding, right?

You throw Abrahamic religions under the bus like you’re saying something brave, but all you're doing is trading one form of dogma for another, only yours comes wrapped in smug detachment and pseudo-spiritual jargon. Let’s deal in facts for a moment — since you clearly skipped them on your way to “dharma > dogma.”

Christian organizations and believers have built and sustained some of the most vital institutions on Earth:

Education: The university system itself was pioneered by Christian thinkers — University of Paris, Oxford, Cambridge, and countless others were founded by the Church. Today, Christian institutions educate millionsglobally, often in underserved regions.

Healthcare: Christians founded the first modern hospitals, and today, Christian missions run thousands of clinics and hospitals around the world, particularly in parts of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia, where few others go.

Charity and Aid: World Vision, Compassion International, Catholic Relief Services, Samaritan’s Purse, and Lutheran World Relief are just a few examples of Christian groups that provide billions in global humanitarian aid, disaster relief, and development every year — regardless of the recipients' faith.

Human Rights: Christian abolitionists were instrumental in ending the transatlantic slave trade — people like William Wilberforce in the UK and Frederick Douglass in the U.S. were driven by Christian conviction.

Science: You know who laid the foundations for modern genetics? Gregor Mendel, a Christian monk. Who gave us the scientific method? Francis Bacon, a devout Anglican. The list of Christian scientists who advanced human knowledge is long and undeniable.

Christians have “paved” the very roads you are now spitting on. How brave of you.

Now, is every Christian or Christian institution perfect? Of course not — power can corrupt, and religion has been misused. But you don’t get to define billions of people by their worst examples while ignoring the overwhelming good they’ve done — historically and today.

You said, “These people have no god, they have a book.” But you’ve clearly read neither. If you're going to criticize faiths that shaped the world, at least learn the difference between a doctrine and a drive-by insult.

You're not challenging systems — you're coasting on secondhand cynicism. You want to critique religion? Fine. But try doing it without sounding like you copied it off a Reddit thread written by someone who’s never actually read anything but the headlines.

cheesehead420 wrote:

Hey man no one is questioning your faith or the existence of God. I believe in god and it's the same god as the Jews, the...

Hey man no one is questioning your faith or the existence of God. I believe in god and it's the same god as the Jews, the same god as the Christians and the same god as the Muslims. I just don't believe that I need to adhere to specific dogma or follow any particular doctrines in order to access that god. 

 

 I am however against any institution which commodifies god and claims a monopoly on salvation. All Abrahamic religions are guilty of this. 

 

As for your list of achievements for individuals that happened to follow Christianity. Great. They were great people that did and are doing fantastic things. The fact they were Christians though is inconsequential. Besides, anyone could list a very large list of individuals that happened to be Christians that did very bad things. 

 

Education/ the university system?? Men who happened to be Christian figured out a way to commodify learning. Wow! Why are you not offering the Greeks their due credit for paving the way?

 

Science? Dude science has been around forever. One could just as easily argue that it was Muslims and Islam which paved the way for modern science and medicine. Have you not heard of the golden age of Islam? Have you not heard of those pagans the Greeks which laid the foundations for enlightenment in the western world? 

 

You have a real issue with your belief in the superiority of your opinions. You didn't address the overarching theme or any of the main arguments I made but rather blathered on about inconsequential details. 

 

You must be an overly learned academic who is clearly incapable of contemplation from a holistic standpoint. Instead you compartmentalize every little detail until you completely blind yourself to the whole. You're very articulate, but in almost every philosophical argument you get in with people on this website you almost always fail to comprehend or address the main theme or central concepts they/we make.  

 

You're not winning arguments. You argue for the sake of arguing. 

 

You only address what others have said before you. You don't have the guts to state an original idea or opinion because you have none. 
 

My time on vital is not about winning arguments but rather having fun expressing my opinions and debating with other about them and theirs. It’s just an intellectual outlet that is hard to find in everyday life. Have some humility TX. The truth is relative

Joey Bridges wrote:

Boom, boom, out...

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Boom, boom, LET ME HEAR IT! out...

 

Just a small addition, Joey.

Joey Bridges wrote:

The live version is the best. 

TXDirt wrote:

Ah, the classic move: wrap condescension in pseudo-spiritual humility, toss out sweeping generalizations, and end with a sermon on “truth is relative” — because nothing says...

Ah, the classic move: wrap condescension in pseudo-spiritual humility, toss out sweeping generalizations, and end with a sermon on “truth is relative” — because nothing says confidence in your ideas like declaring everything subjective the moment you get challenged.

Let’s clear the fog.

You say belief in God is fine, but doctrine is the problem — as if belief divorced from structure is somehow more virtuous. But that’s not depth; that’s comfort dressed as enlightenment. Every civilization has had its dogma — including whatever version you’re selling now. The only difference is you’ve slapped “free thinker” on the label and assumed that means you’re immune to the very systems of thought you’re mocking.

As for your shot at Christianity’s impact — saying “they just happened to be Christian” is like saying Einstein “just happened to be literate.” Their worldview shaped what they built. The hospitals, schools, and scientific breakthroughs didn’t emerge in spite of their faith, they were motivated by it. You want to give the Greeks and the Islamic Golden Age credit? Great. I do too. But pretending Christianity’s influence is incidental while praising paganism or Islam’s contributions as transformative is just intellectual cherry-picking.

You accuse me of missing the “main theme,” but your theme seems to be: “All institutions are corrupt, truth is relative, and if you disagree with me, you’re just an academic robot.” That’s not philosophy — that’s evasion with a thesaurus.

And let’s be real: you’re not here for dialogue. You’re here to monologue at people and call it wisdom. You say I don’t offer original ideas, but when I do, you call them “dogma” or “grandstanding” because they don’t mirror your own.

The irony? You claim I argue for the sake of arguing, yet you just spent six paragraphs arguing that arguing doesn’t matter.

So if your idea of “humility” is lecturing others on how to think while declaring yourself above the debate — consider this a mirror. You don’t need doctrine? Fine. But you do need consistency, and right now, you’re fresh out.

TXDirt wrote:

Right — because sweeping, reductionist takes about billions of people always lead to deep understanding, right?You throw Abrahamic religions under the bus like you’re saying something...

Right — because sweeping, reductionist takes about billions of people always lead to deep understanding, right?

You throw Abrahamic religions under the bus like you’re saying something brave, but all you're doing is trading one form of dogma for another, only yours comes wrapped in smug detachment and pseudo-spiritual jargon. Let’s deal in facts for a moment — since you clearly skipped them on your way to “dharma > dogma.”

Christian organizations and believers have built and sustained some of the most vital institutions on Earth:

Education: The university system itself was pioneered by Christian thinkers — University of Paris, Oxford, Cambridge, and countless others were founded by the Church. Today, Christian institutions educate millionsglobally, often in underserved regions.

Healthcare: Christians founded the first modern hospitals, and today, Christian missions run thousands of clinics and hospitals around the world, particularly in parts of Africa, Latin America, and Southeast Asia, where few others go.

Charity and Aid: World Vision, Compassion International, Catholic Relief Services, Samaritan’s Purse, and Lutheran World Relief are just a few examples of Christian groups that provide billions in global humanitarian aid, disaster relief, and development every year — regardless of the recipients' faith.

Human Rights: Christian abolitionists were instrumental in ending the transatlantic slave trade — people like William Wilberforce in the UK and Frederick Douglass in the U.S. were driven by Christian conviction.

Science: You know who laid the foundations for modern genetics? Gregor Mendel, a Christian monk. Who gave us the scientific method? Francis Bacon, a devout Anglican. The list of Christian scientists who advanced human knowledge is long and undeniable.

Christians have “paved” the very roads you are now spitting on. How brave of you.

Now, is every Christian or Christian institution perfect? Of course not — power can corrupt, and religion has been misused. But you don’t get to define billions of people by their worst examples while ignoring the overwhelming good they’ve done — historically and today.

You said, “These people have no god, they have a book.” But you’ve clearly read neither. If you're going to criticize faiths that shaped the world, at least learn the difference between a doctrine and a drive-by insult.

You're not challenging systems — you're coasting on secondhand cynicism. You want to critique religion? Fine. But try doing it without sounding like you copied it off a Reddit thread written by someone who’s never actually read anything but the headlines.

cheesehead420 wrote:

Hey man no one is questioning your faith or the existence of God. I believe in god and it's the same god as the Jews, the...

Hey man no one is questioning your faith or the existence of God. I believe in god and it's the same god as the Jews, the same god as the Christians and the same god as the Muslims. I just don't believe that I need to adhere to specific dogma or follow any particular doctrines in order to access that god. 

 

 I am however against any institution which commodifies god and claims a monopoly on salvation. All Abrahamic religions are guilty of this. 

 

As for your list of achievements for individuals that happened to follow Christianity. Great. They were great people that did and are doing fantastic things. The fact they were Christians though is inconsequential. Besides, anyone could list a very large list of individuals that happened to be Christians that did very bad things. 

 

Education/ the university system?? Men who happened to be Christian figured out a way to commodify learning. Wow! Why are you not offering the Greeks their due credit for paving the way?

 

Science? Dude science has been around forever. One could just as easily argue that it was Muslims and Islam which paved the way for modern science and medicine. Have you not heard of the golden age of Islam? Have you not heard of those pagans the Greeks which laid the foundations for enlightenment in the western world? 

 

You have a real issue with your belief in the superiority of your opinions. You didn't address the overarching theme or any of the main arguments I made but rather blathered on about inconsequential details. 

 

You must be an overly learned academic who is clearly incapable of contemplation from a holistic standpoint. Instead you compartmentalize every little detail until you completely blind yourself to the whole. You're very articulate, but in almost every philosophical argument you get in with people on this website you almost always fail to comprehend or address the main theme or central concepts they/we make.  

 

You're not winning arguments. You argue for the sake of arguing. 

 

You only address what others have said before you. You don't have the guts to state an original idea or opinion because you have none. 
 

My time on vital is not about winning arguments but rather having fun expressing my opinions and debating with other about them and theirs. It’s just an intellectual outlet that is hard to find in everyday life. Have some humility TX. The truth is relative

TXDirt wrote:

Ah, the classic move: wrap condescension in pseudo-spiritual humility, toss out sweeping generalizations, and end with a sermon on “truth is relative” — because nothing says...

Ah, the classic move: wrap condescension in pseudo-spiritual humility, toss out sweeping generalizations, and end with a sermon on “truth is relative” — because nothing says confidence in your ideas like declaring everything subjective the moment you get challenged.

Let’s clear the fog.

You say belief in God is fine, but doctrine is the problem — as if belief divorced from structure is somehow more virtuous. But that’s not depth; that’s comfort dressed as enlightenment. Every civilization has had its dogma — including whatever version you’re selling now. The only difference is you’ve slapped “free thinker” on the label and assumed that means you’re immune to the very systems of thought you’re mocking.

As for your shot at Christianity’s impact — saying “they just happened to be Christian” is like saying Einstein “just happened to be literate.” Their worldview shaped what they built. The hospitals, schools, and scientific breakthroughs didn’t emerge in spite of their faith, they were motivated by it. You want to give the Greeks and the Islamic Golden Age credit? Great. I do too. But pretending Christianity’s influence is incidental while praising paganism or Islam’s contributions as transformative is just intellectual cherry-picking.

You accuse me of missing the “main theme,” but your theme seems to be: “All institutions are corrupt, truth is relative, and if you disagree with me, you’re just an academic robot.” That’s not philosophy — that’s evasion with a thesaurus.

And let’s be real: you’re not here for dialogue. You’re here to monologue at people and call it wisdom. You say I don’t offer original ideas, but when I do, you call them “dogma” or “grandstanding” because they don’t mirror your own.

The irony? You claim I argue for the sake of arguing, yet you just spent six paragraphs arguing that arguing doesn’t matter.

So if your idea of “humility” is lecturing others on how to think while declaring yourself above the debate — consider this a mirror. You don’t need doctrine? Fine. But you do need consistency, and right now, you’re fresh out.

EVH4Ever wrote:

TXD. Putting the beat down on the libtards since 2015. 
And counting💪🏻

EVH4Ever wrote:

Everything TXD has said can be backed up with facts. How difficult this to understand for some folks in here.

phillipmccavity wrote:

Dude you gargle his nuts harder than Trump is Bibi’s. Back it down some.