Idiots attacking Motocross

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8/30/2010 4:23pm
I thought Ferry's whole reason for moving was because of track complaints. People love to complain.
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8/30/2010 4:51pm Edited Date/Time 8/30/2010 5:01pm
Hoodie wrote:
Did you read the link? Reed isnt living up to the rules of his permit?
Don't bring the facts into the discussion. Grin

I wouldn't want to be listening to bikes as much as Reed's neighbors are and I love MX.

Titan1-This issue was around long before Obama got elected.



purpleNurple-we are our own worst enemies IMO. These issues have no hope of going away considering there is no sound testing to speak of in AMA amateur racing. Those of you that think the problem is the public's will more than likely be the ones complaining the loudest when we only have electric bikes to ride.


I was at Southwick and by the end of the day I was not digging the sound levels and I was running ear plugs the whole day. Some of the people I was hanging out with also had similar comments and these were people who aren't really sound proponents like I am.

The USGP with the 2 M Max sound limit was WAY easier on the ears.
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8/30/2010 5:21pm
Hoodie wrote:
Did you read the link? Reed isnt living up to the rules of his permit?
The Rock wrote:
Don't bring the facts into the discussion. I wouldn't want to be listening to bikes as much as Reed's neighbors are and I love MX.Titan1-This issue...
Don't bring the facts into the discussion. Grin

I wouldn't want to be listening to bikes as much as Reed's neighbors are and I love MX.

Titan1-This issue was around long before Obama got elected.



purpleNurple-we are our own worst enemies IMO. These issues have no hope of going away considering there is no sound testing to speak of in AMA amateur racing. Those of you that think the problem is the public's will more than likely be the ones complaining the loudest when we only have electric bikes to ride.


I was at Southwick and by the end of the day I was not digging the sound levels and I was running ear plugs the whole day. Some of the people I was hanging out with also had similar comments and these were people who aren't really sound proponents like I am.

The USGP with the 2 M Max sound limit was WAY easier on the ears.
Sure the issue with sound was around long before Obama...but the AGO wasn't!

The AGO is obama's pet project to pay back the environmental lobbiests that helped get him elected.

Bush had a sound "no more wilderness" policy which protected the OHV industries right to ride....Obama abruptly tossed that out the window and his Interior Secretary Ken Salazar is parading around the country pandering to the environmentalists that are fully intent on baning OHV's on public land....

The people that don't join the fight will likely be the ones complaining the loudest when they can't ride their dirt bikes any more....
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8/30/2010 5:33pm Edited Date/Time 8/30/2010 5:40pm
Titan1 wrote:
Sure the issue with sound was around long before Obama...but the AGO wasn't! The AGO is obama's pet project to pay back the environmental lobbiests that...
Sure the issue with sound was around long before Obama...but the AGO wasn't!

The AGO is obama's pet project to pay back the environmental lobbiests that helped get him elected.

Bush had a sound "no more wilderness" policy which protected the OHV industries right to ride....Obama abruptly tossed that out the window and his Interior Secretary Ken Salazar is parading around the country pandering to the environmentalists that are fully intent on baning OHV's on public land....

The people that don't join the fight will likely be the ones complaining the loudest when they can't ride their dirt bikes any more....
What exactly is the fight? Electing the most pro OHV politicians while we continue to ride bikes that are unnecessarily loud?



The reality is the battle isn't only limited to OHV property as Reed's experience speaks to. I will forever be chapped at the OEMs who introduced four strokes that didn't have to be so freaking loud to begin with.

It makes my blood boil when I read the whole "450s make too much power...we need 350s" when the same thing can be accomplished by quieting the bikes further but I am not holding my breath for any lower limits.


I am actually satisfied though with 94 db and aside from adopting the 2 M Max test (which is 115 db) just want to now see MX Sports enforcing the existing sound levels we have in the Nationals and amateur racing. Without enforcement it's a joke we even have sound limits outdoors.

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8/30/2010 5:34pm
Funny how these idiot politicians see private ownership of land an non-issue. Get how the dude said "let him keep it".

That should be extremely offensive to anyone who gives a shit about the principles of our country (or at least the founding of it).

These assholes literally believe that all land is "theirs", and they just allow us to occupy it for a little while. Under their rules. And if you harm the fuckin' turtles, you gotta go!

Well, Florida will lose another top income earner and all that fancy tax revenue he supplies.

Good call!
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8/30/2010 5:38pm
Titan1 wrote:
Sure the issue with sound was around long before Obama...but the AGO wasn't! The AGO is obama's pet project to pay back the environmental lobbiests that...
Sure the issue with sound was around long before Obama...but the AGO wasn't!

The AGO is obama's pet project to pay back the environmental lobbiests that helped get him elected.

Bush had a sound "no more wilderness" policy which protected the OHV industries right to ride....Obama abruptly tossed that out the window and his Interior Secretary Ken Salazar is parading around the country pandering to the environmentalists that are fully intent on baning OHV's on public land....

The people that don't join the fight will likely be the ones complaining the loudest when they can't ride their dirt bikes any more....
The Rock wrote:
What exactly is the fight? Electing the most pro OHV politicians while we continue to ride bikes that are unnecessarily loud? The reality is the battle...
What exactly is the fight? Electing the most pro OHV politicians while we continue to ride bikes that are unnecessarily loud?



The reality is the battle isn't only limited to OHV property as Reed's experience speaks to. I will forever be chapped at the OEMs who introduced four strokes that didn't have to be so freaking loud to begin with.

It makes my blood boil when I read the whole "450s make too much power...we need 350s" when the same thing can be accomplished by quieting the bikes further but I am not holding my breath for any lower limits.


I am actually satisfied though with 94 db and aside from adopting the 2 M Max test (which is 115 db) just want to now see MX Sports enforcing the existing sound levels we have in the Nationals and amateur racing. Without enforcement it's a joke we even have sound limits outdoors.
In my opinion we OHV users need to get a true organization together similar to the NRA which would hold weight over some of these elected officials. I understand it would take years and years to develop the strength of a NRA type organization. But think about it, it would be an entire industry against certain forms of politicians.
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In my opinion we OHV users need to get a true organization together similar to the NRA which would hold weight over some of these elected...
In my opinion we OHV users need to get a true organization together similar to the NRA which would hold weight over some of these elected officials. I understand it would take years and years to develop the strength of a NRA type organization. But think about it, it would be an entire industry against certain forms of politicians.
What do we do about sound in the meantime?
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In my opinion we OHV users need to get a true organization together similar to the NRA which would hold weight over some of these elected...
In my opinion we OHV users need to get a true organization together similar to the NRA which would hold weight over some of these elected officials. I understand it would take years and years to develop the strength of a NRA type organization. But think about it, it would be an entire industry against certain forms of politicians.
The Rock wrote:
What do we do about sound in the meantime?
adopt a FIM type rule system
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8/30/2010 5:47pm
yanks_178 wrote:
Doesn't RV rent Ferry's house now?
Thats actually pretty damn cheap to buy a nice 4,100 sq ft house on 40 acres. On a sick ass sx track that would cost a shit ton of money to have built.
8/30/2010 6:19pm
newmann wrote:
"a hellacious racket"

Gotta love that statement. It's all that the general public needs to know.


4 Skins are a hellacious racket
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8/30/2010 6:23pm Edited Date/Time 8/30/2010 6:23pm
Dade City MX park is damn close to residential as well. Just going through Dade City on Bing or google maps shows you it's a MX'ers...
Dade City MX park is damn close to residential as well. Just going through Dade City on Bing or google maps shows you it's a MX'ers paradise.

There's alot of little private tracks all over Pasco Co. (I live in the same county ,but right on the Gulf coast).


I don't know why they are picking on Reed and not the others....but I'm sure everything will work out. Wink









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8/30/2010 6:29pm Edited Date/Time 8/30/2010 6:30pm
adopt a FIM type rule system
Couldn't agree more! Here is what I wrote last year before 115 db was determined to be the 2 M Max sound level.



Over on Motonews last week I was involved in a spirited debate and I touched upon some of the 2 M Max "objections" that both threaten the GPs continuing to use it next year and the AMA adopting it in SX next year.



Here is an excerpt:



My hope is the 2 M Max test replaces the static test but I'm not sure this will happen next year. Most disturbing to me is one of the objections I've heard about the 2 M Max test is the test can be skirted by a different rev limiter.



I really don't understand why the AMA has not had an issue for years with the teams having different mapping for neutral so they can pass the static test but are quick to site work arounds like an alternate rev limiter setting to the 2 M Max test as a drawback to implementing it.




Fingers are crossed the 2 M Max is continued to be used in the GPs and we see (hear it) it in SX next year.
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8/30/2010 6:32pm Edited Date/Time 8/30/2010 6:34pm
FastEddy wrote:
There's alot of little private tracks all over Pasco Co. (I live in the same county ,but right on the Gulf coast). I don't know why...
There's alot of little private tracks all over Pasco Co. (I live in the same county ,but right on the Gulf coast).


I don't know why they are picking on Reed and not the others....but I'm sure everything will work out. Wink









Hours of operation and the level of sound emanating from the little practice tracks would be my guess. Two years ago Millsaps factory Honda practice bike with a muffler than needed to be repacked was the straw that almost broke the camel's back at Izzi's practice track....it doesn't take much to get on a neighbor's radar.



BTW, how in the hell have you been? How's the fishing been going?
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8/30/2010 6:50pm
I said on a thread last week that the sound issue of the 4-strokes is a way bigger problem for our sport than the emissions of the smokers ever were. this is just another example of that point. I think we need to fix that problem instead of just being mad at neighbors that don't want their right to peace and quite being infringed on.
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8/30/2010 7:01pm
I'm hard pressed to buy into the sound issue. I have a small practice track. Talk to my neighbors and they don't even notice it.

We have other folks that ride on their lots and it's far from obnoxious. I only notice it when I'm outside.

Now, the gas compressors on the other side of the neighborhood? That's some BS. Doesn't affect me, but the folks that live on the hill above them? Like a freight train running all night long.
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8/30/2010 8:22pm
If I were Chad Reed I would designate part of that land as "farm land." Next, I would go out and buy 2 or 3 of the loudest tractors I could find, preferably used ones with worn out mufflers. Finally, I would hire several guys to "farm' on my land 7 days a week, starting at 5 or 6am (farmers have to get an early start you know) to about lunch time. After a good lunch and proper time for a siesta and equipment maintenance, I'd have the boys get back on the tractors about 3ish or 4ish and run them to about 10pm every night. Surely there aren't any restrictions by the county on when you can "farm" your own land.Wink
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Titan1 wrote:
Sure the issue with sound was around long before Obama...but the AGO wasn't! The AGO is obama's pet project to pay back the environmental lobbiests that...
Sure the issue with sound was around long before Obama...but the AGO wasn't!

The AGO is obama's pet project to pay back the environmental lobbiests that helped get him elected.

Bush had a sound "no more wilderness" policy which protected the OHV industries right to ride....Obama abruptly tossed that out the window and his Interior Secretary Ken Salazar is parading around the country pandering to the environmentalists that are fully intent on baning OHV's on public land....

The people that don't join the fight will likely be the ones complaining the loudest when they can't ride their dirt bikes any more....
The Rock wrote:
What exactly is the fight? Electing the most pro OHV politicians while we continue to ride bikes that are unnecessarily loud? The reality is the battle...
What exactly is the fight? Electing the most pro OHV politicians while we continue to ride bikes that are unnecessarily loud?



The reality is the battle isn't only limited to OHV property as Reed's experience speaks to. I will forever be chapped at the OEMs who introduced four strokes that didn't have to be so freaking loud to begin with.

It makes my blood boil when I read the whole "450s make too much power...we need 350s" when the same thing can be accomplished by quieting the bikes further but I am not holding my breath for any lower limits.


I am actually satisfied though with 94 db and aside from adopting the 2 M Max test (which is 115 db) just want to now see MX Sports enforcing the existing sound levels we have in the Nationals and amateur racing. Without enforcement it's a joke we even have sound limits outdoors.
The sound issue, which you're referring too, and the right to use OHV's on public lands issue will require different tactics. But the recurring theme is that we have to help ourselves! We need to volunteer to quiet our bikes, and we OHV users need to take care of public land (I can't tell you how many elected officials I've heard say "abuse it and continue to lose it", when asked about OHV's rights to public land).

But outside of the sound issue, when it comes to public land access, "taking care of it" won't solve the problem. There are groups (and politicians) that will stop at nothing to completely ban anything "mechanized" from public land (not "motorized", but "mechanized"....mountian bikes included), regardless of how quiet they are or how lightly they tread. These unjust and power hungry organizations (The Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance is the most promident here in Utah), are the problem. And right now (with the democrat controlled house, senate, and white house) they are making more headway than ever before (well, since clinton....but it's worse now).

Obama's AGO is the largest example of their attack on OHV users. Plus these groups are encouraging Obama to pervert the Antiquities Act and use it to designate 10's of millions of acres as "national monument" while completely bypassing public input and congress (ala the Grand Staircase/Escallante national monument here in Utah....which Clinton signed AFTER telling Utah he wouldn't do it). Once it is a national monument, the BLM-not congress, and without public input-can decide who, what, and how the lands can't be used. First to go is OHV's! The BLM is much easier for the environmentalist groups to manipulate (than the federal government) and that is why they are trying to make this happen.

So when I say we need to "join the fight", when it comes to OHV's access to public land, we (OHV users) need to JOIN PARTICIPATE DONATE! We need to speak up! If we don't we will lose it! And regardless of loud or quiet our bikes are, we will lose it!

So, yes, this country is no longer OHV friendly. Be it whiney neighbors, or whiney selfish lying environmentalists.....OHV's are under attack.

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