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Interesting. Chatted to my accountant about it and he advised against . US has one of the most punitive tax systems in the world (only Eritrea...

Interesting. Chatted to my accountant about it and he advised against . US has one of the most punitive tax systems in the world (only Eritrea and Hungary are as bad) and will tax you on any earnings made outside the US - so even if you are a permanent resident of and living in another country and earning your income there the US will grab what it considers it’s share of that income ( if you are a US citizen) . 
 

Pretty sure Kenny plans on staying in the U.S. 

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Wow, and that US citizen test is no joke. Awesome 👍

I think it’s Great. But I don’t think the test is that hard. My Mom is from Holland & came ovr after ww2.  She passed the...

I think it’s Great. But I don’t think the test is that hard. My Mom is from Holland & came ovr after ww2.  She passed the test as a 10 yr old I think.  They changed tge spelling of her 1st name at Elllis island Irma to Erma . The women said that’s the way it’s spelled in America, which isn’t true.  My Mom changed her middle name from Christeen Ann the Rae.  Not because of Marylin Monroe. Because a older girl in school had the middle name.   When she became a American citizen. My last name is Naitive American it was changed long ago to a more English name.  It’s multi meaning the main was is The Forrest . GW called us the Invisible warriors of the Forrest. We used a advanced technique of multiple curled waves  in different directions to hunt. The same is war.  In Vietnam they tried it but it didn’t work because they ended up shooting each other. The military still can’t use it the speed of too many directions.  They attacked from trees too.  I was joking with another part Indian a gorgeous chic. About being 3 yrs old & climbing all ovr apple trees. She said her brothers did the same. I know the question what was Americas  1 st ally would b on the test.  History says France but that’s not true.  It’s the Oneida Nation Indian Tribe from Ny.  The Turtle Clan helped George Washington defeat the British to declared our Independence.  On a promise that they could keep there 6 mil acres from i90 into Canada . They got 300k acres GW passed then they. . Took it all away.  They where told to move to the west side of Green Bay . Yrs later the gov fought Ny. To get some of there land back . They got 32 acres.  I get copies made at a educational bldg I speak there language.  Hv to sign in on a tablet it’s in English & Oneida , no Spanish. Pic is a relaxation area with bean bags.  ya^ ko, Thank you. The k is pronounced as a g.  Ha google says only 10 people speak the language. Truth is most do .  Ovr 400 languages here b4 the colonist .  The Oneida Tribe called it Turtle island b4 it was called America.  Not because of the oceans because of a miracle of earth that appeared on a turtle. See pic. They go back aprox 30k yrs.  They still do spiritual stuff most r in the fall . It’s for everything really & all the people here to get in harmony etc. It’s a sacred land & 1 should try a little to get in harmony with everything here . The beautiful land, to the trees , plants & all creatures and each other. 

Prof, makes a ton of sense that you speak another language that only 10 people speak cause I can’t ever understand a damn thing you say! 🤣

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100% gurantee he would never ride for USA, not when he is proud of his German heritage. Will you Americans be saying same thing when the Lawrence's...

100% gurantee he would never ride for USA, not when he is proud of his German heritage.

 

Will you Americans be saying same thing when the Lawrence's get their American Visa too???

I think its more of a what if or is it possible type of thing. I don't think  people are really expecting him to  switch up countries.  

 It might be more of a way to insure he is able to stay in the US and keep racing and living here as long as he wants to. Who knows how  immigration laws will change and how they could impact him if he was not a citizen . I saw something in the news about a professional athlete having Visa issues . I think a swimmer ? some sport I'm not interested in and just saw the short segment playing in the background.  I saw that Germany changed some laws too so it may just be that Kenny didn't want to give up his German citizenship and now that he can have both he went for it.

 

 Either way, Congrats Kenny on passing what I have heard is a really hard test that most US born people wouldn't pass without some heavy studying. 

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Interesting. Chatted to my accountant about it and he advised against . US has one of the most punitive tax systems in the world (only Eritrea...

Interesting. Chatted to my accountant about it and he advised against . US has one of the most punitive tax systems in the world (only Eritrea and Hungary are as bad) and will tax you on any earnings made outside the US - so even if you are a permanent resident of and living in another country and earning your income there the US will grab what it considers it’s share of that income ( if you are a US citizen) . 
 

Yep same here. Only thing you “gain” is to be on the hook for taxes forever, to do jury duty and to vote. Makes zero sense 

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Yep same here. Only thing you “gain” is to be on the hook for taxes forever, to do jury duty and to vote. Makes zero sense 

You gain the honor and privilege of being an American citizen.

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Yep same here. Only thing you “gain” is to be on the hook for taxes forever, to do jury duty and to vote. Makes zero sense 

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You gain the honor and privilege of being an American citizen.

Lol 

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Lol 

What's funny about that? 

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Lol 

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What's funny about that? 

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Lol 

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What's funny about that? 

Wait. It wasn’t a joke?

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Wait. It wasn’t a joke?

No it wasn't. A lot of men and women sacrificed their lives for this country, and to make it what it is.  A lot of people are proud to be or to become an American citizen. Kenny is one of those people. 

 No American claims it's perfect. But then we got sods like you that think those sacrifices are a joke. Out of curiosity, what country were you born in?  

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Yep same here. Only thing you “gain” is to be on the hook for taxes forever, to do jury duty and to vote. Makes zero sense 

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You gain the honor and privilege of being an American citizen.

In a 3rd world country I,ve been in every city,  every mid sized town with the biggest pipeline co in the world with dozens of divisions & trucking.  This country is a faint shadow of its past.  Genocide to take the land 96% where wiped out mainly from disease spread with small pocks on blankets , etc.  and crooked politics. Pic wouldn’t upload this morning waiting 4 high winds to die down 80 mph last night.IMG 2538 0.jpeg?VersionId=jRAJvzKM6qyqVvj

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Beeby wrote:

Wait. It wasn’t a joke?

971_Fan wrote:
No it wasn't. A lot of men and women sacrificed their lives for this country, and to make it what it is.  A lot of people...

No it wasn't. A lot of men and women sacrificed their lives for this country, and to make it what it is.  A lot of people are proud to be or to become an American citizen. Kenny is one of those people. 

 No American claims it's perfect. But then we got sods like you that think those sacrifices are a joke. Out of curiosity, what country were you born in?  

I’m from the UK—the country the U.S. broke away from to reject forced loyalty (ironic). The UK has also made immense sacrifices in history, often alongside the U.S. If sacrifice is what makes citizenship an unquestionable privilege, should British citizenship be held in the same regard? Or does that only apply to America?

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Wait. It wasn’t a joke?

971_Fan wrote:
No it wasn't. A lot of men and women sacrificed their lives for this country, and to make it what it is.  A lot of people...

No it wasn't. A lot of men and women sacrificed their lives for this country, and to make it what it is.  A lot of people are proud to be or to become an American citizen. Kenny is one of those people. 

 No American claims it's perfect. But then we got sods like you that think those sacrifices are a joke. Out of curiosity, what country were you born in?  

Beeby wrote:
I’m from the UK—the country the U.S. broke away from to reject forced loyalty (ironic). The UK has also made immense sacrifices in history, often alongside...

I’m from the UK—the country the U.S. broke away from to reject forced loyalty (ironic). The UK has also made immense sacrifices in history, often alongside the U.S. If sacrifice is what makes citizenship an unquestionable privilege, should British citizenship be held in the same regard? Or does that only apply to America?

non moto time. UK is cooked. theyre sacrificing their sovereignty right now so noone calls them racist

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non moto time. UK is cooked. theyre sacrificing their sovereignty right now so noone calls them racist

Have been to the UK several times 2000-2004 foreign study abroad.

Always wanted to take the wife back....

There's no way I will book UK or France ever again In my lifetime......

Poland perhaps. . . 

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No it wasn't. A lot of men and women sacrificed their lives for this country, and to make it what it is.  A lot of people...

No it wasn't. A lot of men and women sacrificed their lives for this country, and to make it what it is.  A lot of people are proud to be or to become an American citizen. Kenny is one of those people. 

 No American claims it's perfect. But then we got sods like you that think those sacrifices are a joke. Out of curiosity, what country were you born in?  

Beeby wrote:
I’m from the UK—the country the U.S. broke away from to reject forced loyalty (ironic). The UK has also made immense sacrifices in history, often alongside...

I’m from the UK—the country the U.S. broke away from to reject forced loyalty (ironic). The UK has also made immense sacrifices in history, often alongside the U.S. If sacrifice is what makes citizenship an unquestionable privilege, should British citizenship be held in the same regard? Or does that only apply to America?

Tyler D wrote:

non moto time. UK is cooked. theyre sacrificing their sovereignty right now so noone calls them racist

Mate, no one in the UK sits around worrying about ‘sovereignty’ the way you think they do. People care about the economy, healthcare, and whether the trains are running on time—not some imaginary crisis you read about online. Meanwhile, the U.S. has practically sold itself out to Elon Musk, but sure, tell me more about how the UK is ‘cooked.

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This thread just took a turn for the stupid. Way to go, dipshits...

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This thread just took a turn for the stupid. Way to go, dipshits...

Sorry. My fault. Shouldn’t have laughed at them 

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Beeby wrote:
I’m from the UK—the country the U.S. broke away from to reject forced loyalty (ironic). The UK has also made immense sacrifices in history, often alongside...

I’m from the UK—the country the U.S. broke away from to reject forced loyalty (ironic). The UK has also made immense sacrifices in history, often alongside the U.S. If sacrifice is what makes citizenship an unquestionable privilege, should British citizenship be held in the same regard? Or does that only apply to America?

Tyler D wrote:

non moto time. UK is cooked. theyre sacrificing their sovereignty right now so noone calls them racist

Beeby wrote:
Mate, no one in the UK sits around worrying about ‘sovereignty’ the way you think they do. People care about the economy, healthcare, and whether the...

Mate, no one in the UK sits around worrying about ‘sovereignty’ the way you think they do. People care about the economy, healthcare, and whether the trains are running on time—not some imaginary crisis you read about online. Meanwhile, the U.S. has practically sold itself out to Elon Musk, but sure, tell me more about how the UK is ‘cooked.

mods, if you need to clip this post feel free. but since it seems to be a non moto thread now....

yeah. sovereignty was too large a word for this context. what i should have said is that they hand out citizenship to anyone that's not western or se asian and apply a two-tiered justice system against the indigenous british that get to pay for the scheme through obscene taxes and all they get in return is an erosion of their freedom and a sense of despair from egregiously elevated violent and sexual crime. it's ok tho. canada and germany are right behind them. US is too in the long run if nothign changes. 

when i used the word sovereignty, i mean that there's no longer such a thing as a british state FOR the british people. don't worry tho, they'll play the patriotism card bigly when it's time to go die for the MNCs in ukraine. 

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Tyler D wrote:

non moto time. UK is cooked. theyre sacrificing their sovereignty right now so noone calls them racist

Beeby wrote:
Mate, no one in the UK sits around worrying about ‘sovereignty’ the way you think they do. People care about the economy, healthcare, and whether the...

Mate, no one in the UK sits around worrying about ‘sovereignty’ the way you think they do. People care about the economy, healthcare, and whether the trains are running on time—not some imaginary crisis you read about online. Meanwhile, the U.S. has practically sold itself out to Elon Musk, but sure, tell me more about how the UK is ‘cooked.

Tyler D wrote:
mods, if you need to clip this post feel free. but since it seems to be a non moto thread now....yeah. sovereignty was too large a...

mods, if you need to clip this post feel free. but since it seems to be a non moto thread now....

yeah. sovereignty was too large a word for this context. what i should have said is that they hand out citizenship to anyone that's not western or se asian and apply a two-tiered justice system against the indigenous british that get to pay for the scheme through obscene taxes and all they get in return is an erosion of their freedom and a sense of despair from egregiously elevated violent and sexual crime. it's ok tho. canada and germany are right behind them. US is too in the long run if nothign changes. 

when i used the word sovereignty, i mean that there's no longer such a thing as a british state FOR the british people. don't worry tho, they'll play the patriotism card bigly when it's time to go die for the MNCs in ukraine. 

Sounds like a dramatic storyline, but strangely enough, the people actually living in the UK don’t seem to be experiencing this apocalyptic nightmare you’re describing. Almost like reality doesn’t match the script.


 

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I’m from the UK—the country the U.S. broke away from to reject forced loyalty (ironic). The UK has also made immense sacrifices in history, often alongside...

I’m from the UK—the country the U.S. broke away from to reject forced loyalty (ironic). The UK has also made immense sacrifices in history, often alongside the U.S. If sacrifice is what makes citizenship an unquestionable privilege, should British citizenship be held in the same regard? Or does that only apply to America?

I'm not here to debate any of that. I asked why you thought it was funny that people are proud to be and to become American citizens?  

I started the thread to congratulate Kenny, who is proud to be an American citizen. Now it's turned o to a dumpster fire. 

As an aside, it's on my bucket list to visit England one day.  

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Did he also give up his german nationality.???????? If he did that then he is pass a real american.....

Germany changed their laws last year to allow dual citizenship,

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Possibility of him being the 1st person to win MXoN’s for 2 different countries? 

many riders have done this before, it was more common in the 80-90's when you only needed the countries federation licence to race for that country, now you need a passport, 

Dean Wilson has raced for Canada and Great Britan., pretty sure Billy Liles raced for the USA and Luxemburg too, 

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Did he also give up his german nationality.???????? If he did that then he is pass a real american.....

scott_nz wrote:

Germany changed their laws last year to allow dual citizenship,

Correct. 

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Possibility of him being the 1st person to win MXoN’s for 2 different countries? 

scott_nz wrote:
many riders have done this before, it was more common in the 80-90's when you only needed the countries federation licence to race for that country...

many riders have done this before, it was more common in the 80-90's when you only needed the countries federation licence to race for that country, now you need a passport, 

Dean Wilson has raced for Canada and Great Britan., pretty sure Billy Liles raced for the USA and Luxemburg too, 

Probably getting a bit nitpicky, but you could also add TP and KDub to that list too (US & Puerto Rico)

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non moto time. UK is cooked. theyre sacrificing their sovereignty right now so noone calls them racist

A day in the life of the average British citizen.

8am - Get woken up by the call to prayer of the local government funded mosque.

9am - Arrival at work god praised to Allah for he is the great provider.

10am - Register for the draft to go and fight the Russians in Ukraine.

12am - Lunch time, but it’s Ramadan so eating is illegal, not even fish and chips or rat paste on toast is allowed. Kier Starmer checks all food intake personally as to not offend the Islams.

2am - Another call to prayer and the mandatory daily Arabic classes including enforced use of Arabic numerals in everyday life.

3am - Get mugged by an illegal immigrant fresh off the nearest dinghy.

4am - Get a visit from the police for reporting said crime and get a warning for offending the immigrant.

5am  - Try not to get suicide bombed on the tube home, although no one would notice as it is winter and London is very smoggy this time of year.

6am - Hand your wages to Zelensky as he makes his daily collection so he can buy a 5th house in the south of France. He doesn’t even say thank you.

7am - log into vital mx, if the horror of the day isn’t enough they come across one of magoo fans post and wish they had been suicide bombed on the way home.

8am - Its time for bed as they are travelling up to Bradford tomorrow to buy a stage 2 Cat C RS3 with pops and bangs from Mohammed and his cousin for a killer price. Unless they get arrested and thrown in prison for posting a spicy meme first.

Praise be to Allah.

 

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non moto time. UK is cooked. theyre sacrificing their sovereignty right now so noone calls them racist

A day in the life of the average British citizen.8am - Get woken up by the call to prayer of the local government funded mosque.9am -...

A day in the life of the average British citizen.

8am - Get woken up by the call to prayer of the local government funded mosque.

9am - Arrival at work god praised to Allah for he is the great provider.

10am - Register for the draft to go and fight the Russians in Ukraine.

12am - Lunch time, but it’s Ramadan so eating is illegal, not even fish and chips or rat paste on toast is allowed. Kier Starmer checks all food intake personally as to not offend the Islams.

2am - Another call to prayer and the mandatory daily Arabic classes including enforced use of Arabic numerals in everyday life.

3am - Get mugged by an illegal immigrant fresh off the nearest dinghy.

4am - Get a visit from the police for reporting said crime and get a warning for offending the immigrant.

5am  - Try not to get suicide bombed on the tube home, although no one would notice as it is winter and London is very smoggy this time of year.

6am - Hand your wages to Zelensky as he makes his daily collection so he can buy a 5th house in the south of France. He doesn’t even say thank you.

7am - log into vital mx, if the horror of the day isn’t enough they come across one of magoo fans post and wish they had been suicide bombed on the way home.

8am - Its time for bed as they are travelling up to Bradford tomorrow to buy a stage 2 Cat C RS3 with pops and bangs from Mohammed and his cousin for a killer price. Unless they get arrested and thrown in prison for posting a spicy meme first.

Praise be to Allah.

 

Sounds about right lol. You forgot, getting a ticket for walking the dog in the park because dogs make parks less inclusive for the immigrants.

 

I'll say no more to keep the peace. Oi. 

 

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Kenny makes america great again!😂👍

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Mate, no one in the UK sits around worrying about ‘sovereignty’ the way you think they do. People care about the economy, healthcare, and whether the...

Mate, no one in the UK sits around worrying about ‘sovereignty’ the way you think they do. People care about the economy, healthcare, and whether the trains are running on time—not some imaginary crisis you read about online. Meanwhile, the U.S. has practically sold itself out to Elon Musk, but sure, tell me more about how the UK is ‘cooked.

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mods, if you need to clip this post feel free. but since it seems to be a non moto thread now....yeah. sovereignty was too large a...

mods, if you need to clip this post feel free. but since it seems to be a non moto thread now....

yeah. sovereignty was too large a word for this context. what i should have said is that they hand out citizenship to anyone that's not western or se asian and apply a two-tiered justice system against the indigenous british that get to pay for the scheme through obscene taxes and all they get in return is an erosion of their freedom and a sense of despair from egregiously elevated violent and sexual crime. it's ok tho. canada and germany are right behind them. US is too in the long run if nothign changes. 

when i used the word sovereignty, i mean that there's no longer such a thing as a british state FOR the british people. don't worry tho, they'll play the patriotism card bigly when it's time to go die for the MNCs in ukraine. 

Beeby wrote:
Sounds like a dramatic storyline, but strangely enough, the people actually living in the UK don’t seem to be experiencing this apocalyptic nightmare you’re describing. Almost...

Sounds like a dramatic storyline, but strangely enough, the people actually living in the UK don’t seem to be experiencing this apocalyptic nightmare you’re describing. Almost like reality doesn’t match the script.


 

I don't doubt what you are saying at all, much of what you say is actually true of the people here in the US as well. Contrary to the extremism the news media pumps out, the US didn't turn into an apocalyptic wasteland under Democrat or Republican leadership in the last 8 years, and I doubt it will in the next 4 simply because of Elon. Most people I interact with day to day, whether on the left or right, are happy, and do not in fact feel like they're living in an apocalyptic nightmare. 

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mods, if you need to clip this post feel free. but since it seems to be a non moto thread now....yeah. sovereignty was too large a...

mods, if you need to clip this post feel free. but since it seems to be a non moto thread now....

yeah. sovereignty was too large a word for this context. what i should have said is that they hand out citizenship to anyone that's not western or se asian and apply a two-tiered justice system against the indigenous british that get to pay for the scheme through obscene taxes and all they get in return is an erosion of their freedom and a sense of despair from egregiously elevated violent and sexual crime. it's ok tho. canada and germany are right behind them. US is too in the long run if nothign changes. 

when i used the word sovereignty, i mean that there's no longer such a thing as a british state FOR the british people. don't worry tho, they'll play the patriotism card bigly when it's time to go die for the MNCs in ukraine. 

Beeby wrote:
Sounds like a dramatic storyline, but strangely enough, the people actually living in the UK don’t seem to be experiencing this apocalyptic nightmare you’re describing. Almost...

Sounds like a dramatic storyline, but strangely enough, the people actually living in the UK don’t seem to be experiencing this apocalyptic nightmare you’re describing. Almost like reality doesn’t match the script.


 

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I don't doubt what you are saying at all, much of what you say is actually true of the people here in the US as well...

I don't doubt what you are saying at all, much of what you say is actually true of the people here in the US as well. Contrary to the extremism the news media pumps out, the US didn't turn into an apocalyptic wasteland under Democrat or Republican leadership in the last 8 years, and I doubt it will in the next 4 simply because of Elon. Most people I interact with day to day, whether on the left or right, are happy, and do not in fact feel like they're living in an apocalyptic nightmare. 

Sounds like your in the white collar world.  Non stop flights of white collar workers most from EU r here . Taking the WC jobs from dr,s to it workers, buisness etc. They’re willing to work for a 1/4 of the wages.  Tiny Green Bay on time off the ymca whirlpool has mainly EU people & there families. I speak a few of there languages they get big smiles & r in shock that someone knows there language here. I hv a pal from Poland he works 4 a German contractor setting up a machine it’s a 4 month job. He gets paid 5 k a month . He works 6 11 hr days a week.  I learned to say hi& hello. If he leaves the sauna I tell a guy in there to say vitcom when he comes back in . It pretty funny. A millwright would make 5 k a week. There all in medical field, engineers, buisness etc.  since where a land of laws. What was the 1st law passed ?  The right to declare war. This was to declare war & make it legal to kill all Naitive Americans. 1989 the gov got busted for sterilizing 80k Indian women. On your 1st day in America if you killed a Indian you paid by the government.  These r not people of peace that started this country.  Now it’s war against truckers from the illegals .  You hv to b ready every second for a knife or gun attack. Especially at night 

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