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motomom4 8/9/2010 2:48pm
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Obviously AC is an incredible rider...but as I stated in an earlier post I believe there are other riders that are over looked because their parents don't have the money to take their kid to every national, every year. That is where the playing field in mx becomes unfair, because lets say a rider does decide to hit up a national or two every now and then and doesn't perform as well as they are capable of doing, because of bad starts, bad gate picks, bike failers, crashing, etc. they would never be discoverd IMO. That goes the same for AC, let's just say he was only able to race a national once in a while and he had results like he did at LL, we wouldn't even be discussing him right now and he definetely wouldn't be on Pro Circuit. Even though he is the same rider back home (minus the incredible bikes) smoking people all day long. I guess what I'm saying is I wish the factories would look at riders all across the country to sponsor instead of demanding they go to all the nationals. I understand that sponsors need exposure, but I honestly believe that they could get just as much exposure on a regional level versus a national level...besides nobody out of amateur mx even knows who these kids are. Only other riders and their family's know who AC or any other kid who goes to all the national is.
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Dirtnut129 8/9/2010 3:02pm
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These top kids do get a great deal of support .But they are required to attend all the big events .It also cost there familys a great deal of time and money .Like the old saying it takes money to make money .
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Everyone, take a deep breath and look at the lap times. http://lorettas10.tracksideresults.com/laptimes.asp?s=&c=29&e=1&rn=1&rt=M When he was leading, he was 4 seconds faster than the rest. He was...
Everyone, take a deep breath and look at the lap times.
http://lorettas10.tracksideresults.com/laptimes.asp?s=&c=29&e=1&rn=1&rt…
When he was leading, he was 4 seconds faster than the rest.
He was on the same pace coming from 32 to 5th.
He's the fastest out there.
Relax.
Hmmm........the race where he and Cooper came through the pack after the 1st turn pile up, Cooper had the fastest lap time on the last lap. AC got 5th as you said above, Cooper got 3rd. Here are the lap times.
http://lorettas10.tracksideresults.com/laptimes.asp?s=&c=29&e=1&rn=2&rt=M

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Bigwave wrote:
Everyone, take a deep breath and look at the lap times. http://lorettas10.tracksideresults.com/laptimes.asp?s=&c=29&e=1&rn=1&rt=M When he was leading, he was 4 seconds faster than the rest. He was...
Everyone, take a deep breath and look at the lap times.
http://lorettas10.tracksideresults.com/laptimes.asp?s=&c=29&e=1&rn=1&rt…
When he was leading, he was 4 seconds faster than the rest.
He was on the same pace coming from 32 to 5th.
He's the fastest out there.
Relax.
That was one lap and one lap ONLY!! AC had controversy about cutting a section of the ten commandments a few years ago. Not saying he did it on purpose, but I think he may have run off the track and missed an obstacle that could have gained him some time. The rest of his laps were 2:09-2:11, just like Webb.

Face it, he got beat fair and square, same at he Mini O's when Masterpoole ran him down and passed him, then checked out on AC. The kid is good, but Webb, Alix and Owen were right there all week.
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Bigwave 8/9/2010 3:31pm
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And this is why I don't get involved in online pissing matches.
The top 4 Supermini kids who were there are ALL blazingly fast.


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motomom4 wrote:
Obviously AC is an incredible rider...but as I stated in an earlier post I believe there are other riders that are over looked because their parents...
Obviously AC is an incredible rider...but as I stated in an earlier post I believe there are other riders that are over looked because their parents don't have the money to take their kid to every national, every year. That is where the playing field in mx becomes unfair, because lets say a rider does decide to hit up a national or two every now and then and doesn't perform as well as they are capable of doing, because of bad starts, bad gate picks, bike failers, crashing, etc. they would never be discoverd IMO. That goes the same for AC, let's just say he was only able to race a national once in a while and he had results like he did at LL, we wouldn't even be discussing him right now and he definetely wouldn't be on Pro Circuit. Even though he is the same rider back home (minus the incredible bikes) smoking people all day long. I guess what I'm saying is I wish the factories would look at riders all across the country to sponsor instead of demanding they go to all the nationals. I understand that sponsors need exposure, but I honestly believe that they could get just as much exposure on a regional level versus a national level...besides nobody out of amateur mx even knows who these kids are. Only other riders and their family's know who AC or any other kid who goes to all the national is.
Yeah, and the Yankees are the richest team in baseball and can afford to hire the best players. The Lakers have $$ also and have great Mgmt. and can do the same in basketball. It's life, get used to it. Let the kids who are performing and getting the good support receive the accolades they truly deserve, they and their families earned it. Nothing was just given to them because of their money.

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cpj36 8/9/2010 4:06pm
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AC is new to the class, the kids that are beating him are about a year older. Are they a year faster? I don't think so and that's one of the things that stand out.



He's got his age group covered, hopefully he continues that on big bikes but if not he wouldn't be the first that has happened to.
SlowOldGuy 8/9/2010 4:35pm
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Kongols. IMO PC is getting involved w/the GP's because the company is going worldwide. I don't think it has anything to do w/AC. I wouldn't hold...
Kongols. IMO PC is getting involved w/the GP's because the company is going worldwide. I don't think it has anything to do w/AC. I wouldn't hold your breath when it comes to him racing the GP series. The age limit ,from what I hear, is heading back down to 16 and AC will be staying in America.
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I hope you`re wrong Micha Boy de Waal needs some competition.
I hope you`re wrongWink Ermm Micha Boy de Waal needs some competition.
I watched Micha Boy de Waal at the Masterkids. Fast with a really trick Suzuki 85 with an aluminum tank. My son was in the younger class and was about one or two seconds off his times. I doubt de Waal was pushing much because he had no one close to him. I heard he got hurt last week, maybe a broken collarbone? I talked to him a bit after the motos. Very charming kid, speaks perfect english.
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motomom4 8/9/2010 5:23pm
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motomom4 wrote:
Obviously AC is an incredible rider...but as I stated in an earlier post I believe there are other riders that are over looked because their parents...
Obviously AC is an incredible rider...but as I stated in an earlier post I believe there are other riders that are over looked because their parents don't have the money to take their kid to every national, every year. That is where the playing field in mx becomes unfair, because lets say a rider does decide to hit up a national or two every now and then and doesn't perform as well as they are capable of doing, because of bad starts, bad gate picks, bike failers, crashing, etc. they would never be discoverd IMO. That goes the same for AC, let's just say he was only able to race a national once in a while and he had results like he did at LL, we wouldn't even be discussing him right now and he definetely wouldn't be on Pro Circuit. Even though he is the same rider back home (minus the incredible bikes) smoking people all day long. I guess what I'm saying is I wish the factories would look at riders all across the country to sponsor instead of demanding they go to all the nationals. I understand that sponsors need exposure, but I honestly believe that they could get just as much exposure on a regional level versus a national level...besides nobody out of amateur mx even knows who these kids are. Only other riders and their family's know who AC or any other kid who goes to all the national is.
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Yeah, and the Yankees are the richest team in baseball and can afford to hire the best players. The Lakers have $$ also and have great...
Yeah, and the Yankees are the richest team in baseball and can afford to hire the best players. The Lakers have $$ also and have great Mgmt. and can do the same in basketball. It's life, get used to it. Let the kids who are performing and getting the good support receive the accolades they truly deserve, they and their families earned it. Nothing was just given to them because of their money.

Yeah,but you don't have to have a lot of money or mortgage your house to be one of the best at baseball or basketball....or travel across the country to be noticed. That's all I'm saying...I never said these kids are not incredible riders and that they don't deserve what they have, I know it's how things work. I just wish it didn't have to be like that. Like I said, there are current and past riders that have been over looked because they can only afford to race locally.. or better yet because they are in public school fulltime and they don't have the time to race all the nationals, because they and their families chose to put school first...these riders will probably have next to no chance at making it when they try and go pro just on the fact that their bikes are not competitive because they didn't get the support they deserved...

In all honesty, I agree with the people who have said they wish most of the support should go to the privateers...that would help level the playing field in the pro ranks and if amateur riders weren't on factory bikes, that would help level the playing field in the amateur ranks as well..

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Jakes Dad 8/9/2010 6:22pm
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The only reason I can see them leaving early would have been his Dad looking out for his well being. After the debacle on the 85's 2 years ago there, Adam hurt his back and caused him pain for quite some time.

I know I wouldn't want my kid on a possible grenade, and that's what it sounds like those motors may have been.
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GP - you have to be 15 years old to be able to race. AMA- 18. Just my two cents, but I think Adam is a...
GP - you have to be 15 years old to be able to race.
AMA- 18.
Just my two cents, but I think Adam is a reason PC is getting so involved in GP`s and CLS Kawasaki in particular
theyre getting rid of the 18 yr age limit
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I talked to AC's Dad and he said they were not racing the last day, they just didn't feel right about it. They had bad luck all week and didn't want to risk anything when he had nothing to gain! AC, Jace Owen, Cooper Webb and Dakota Alix are all very very fast. At Ponca Jaisaac Sloan was hauling ass too but had bad luck at LL's. If all of these mini riders make it pro we are going to have some awesome racing in a few years. Anyone of them could have have won the title at LL.

Cooper Webb is awesome on the track but not off. At Ponca it got ugly between him and Jace Owen and Cooper's Dad started it. Cooper and Jace got into some rubbing and Jace was standing next to his bike and he was crying. Cooper's Dad yelled asking if the crybaby needed a tissue.
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flarider 8/10/2010 6:28am
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PC wants a wider world presence.
Bud's Racing is the shit in Europe, and they want a piece of that pie.
With Parts Unlimited expanding to Parts Europe, makes sense to start pushing the brand abroad
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yanks_178 wrote:
I talked to AC's Dad and he said they were not racing the last day, they just didn't feel right about it. They had bad luck...
I talked to AC's Dad and he said they were not racing the last day, they just didn't feel right about it. They had bad luck all week and didn't want to risk anything when he had nothing to gain! AC, Jace Owen, Cooper Webb and Dakota Alix are all very very fast. At Ponca Jaisaac Sloan was hauling ass too but had bad luck at LL's. If all of these mini riders make it pro we are going to have some awesome racing in a few years. Anyone of them could have have won the title at LL.

Cooper Webb is awesome on the track but not off. At Ponca it got ugly between him and Jace Owen and Cooper's Dad started it. Cooper and Jace got into some rubbing and Jace was standing next to his bike and he was crying. Cooper's Dad yelled asking if the crybaby needed a tissue.
I like how he helps #23 back to the ground at around the 45 sec mark of this vid

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yanks_178 wrote:
I talked to AC's Dad and he said they were not racing the last day, they just didn't feel right about it. They had bad luck...
I talked to AC's Dad and he said they were not racing the last day, they just didn't feel right about it. They had bad luck all week and didn't want to risk anything when he had nothing to gain! AC, Jace Owen, Cooper Webb and Dakota Alix are all very very fast. At Ponca Jaisaac Sloan was hauling ass too but had bad luck at LL's. If all of these mini riders make it pro we are going to have some awesome racing in a few years. Anyone of them could have have won the title at LL.

Cooper Webb is awesome on the track but not off. At Ponca it got ugly between him and Jace Owen and Cooper's Dad started it. Cooper and Jace got into some rubbing and Jace was standing next to his bike and he was crying. Cooper's Dad yelled asking if the crybaby needed a tissue.
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I like how he helps #23 back to the ground at around the 45 sec mark of this vid

Dude, what do you expect when you're going after a championship. Cooper had a huge lead, he came over a blind jump where a lapper was down. Guys kept coming over and running into them. The #23 bike was a lapper and he was on his bike not letting him go.

What would you do if you were 3 turns from the finish and with a championship in his grasp?
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Yeah,but you don't have to have a lot of money or mortgage your house to be one of the best at baseball or basketball....or travel across...
Yeah,but you don't have to have a lot of money or mortgage your house to be one of the best at baseball or basketball....or travel across the country to be noticed. That's all I'm saying...I never said these kids are not incredible riders and that they don't deserve what they have, I know it's how things work. I just wish it didn't have to be like that. Like I said, there are current and past riders that have been over looked because they can only afford to race locally.. or better yet because they are in public school fulltime and they don't have the time to race all the nationals, because they and their families chose to put school first...these riders will probably have next to no chance at making it when they try and go pro just on the fact that their bikes are not competitive because they didn't get the support they deserved...

In all honesty, I agree with the people who have said they wish most of the support should go to the privateers...that would help level the playing field in the pro ranks and if amateur riders weren't on factory bikes, that would help level the playing field in the amateur ranks as well..

good points, maybe there shouldn't be ANY MONEY going to ANYBODY that doesn't carry a PRO license. The system...because of the way it is set up and has been for years has allowed the kids with associate degrees to be paid like they got a PHD.

good luck with that mini/am parents

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I like how he helps #23 back to the ground at around the 45 sec mark of this vid

That's great, even better when he thanked Jesus afterward.
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BobbyM 8/10/2010 8:26am
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motomom4 wrote:
Obviously AC is an incredible rider...but as I stated in an earlier post I believe there are other riders that are over looked because their parents...
Obviously AC is an incredible rider...but as I stated in an earlier post I believe there are other riders that are over looked because their parents don't have the money to take their kid to every national, every year. That is where the playing field in mx becomes unfair, because lets say a rider does decide to hit up a national or two every now and then and doesn't perform as well as they are capable of doing, because of bad starts, bad gate picks, bike failers, crashing, etc. they would never be discoverd IMO. That goes the same for AC, let's just say he was only able to race a national once in a while and he had results like he did at LL, we wouldn't even be discussing him right now and he definetely wouldn't be on Pro Circuit. Even though he is the same rider back home (minus the incredible bikes) smoking people all day long. I guess what I'm saying is I wish the factories would look at riders all across the country to sponsor instead of demanding they go to all the nationals. I understand that sponsors need exposure, but I honestly believe that they could get just as much exposure on a regional level versus a national level...besides nobody out of amateur mx even knows who these kids are. Only other riders and their family's know who AC or any other kid who goes to all the national is.
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Yeah, and the Yankees are the richest team in baseball and can afford to hire the best players. The Lakers have $$ also and have great...
Yeah, and the Yankees are the richest team in baseball and can afford to hire the best players. The Lakers have $$ also and have great Mgmt. and can do the same in basketball. It's life, get used to it. Let the kids who are performing and getting the good support receive the accolades they truly deserve, they and their families earned it. Nothing was just given to them because of their money.

twizzler, yer giving a mother advice on life? lmao....what a dork
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twizzler 8/10/2010 8:42am
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motomom4 wrote:
Obviously AC is an incredible rider...but as I stated in an earlier post I believe there are other riders that are over looked because their parents...
Obviously AC is an incredible rider...but as I stated in an earlier post I believe there are other riders that are over looked because their parents don't have the money to take their kid to every national, every year. That is where the playing field in mx becomes unfair, because lets say a rider does decide to hit up a national or two every now and then and doesn't perform as well as they are capable of doing, because of bad starts, bad gate picks, bike failers, crashing, etc. they would never be discoverd IMO. That goes the same for AC, let's just say he was only able to race a national once in a while and he had results like he did at LL, we wouldn't even be discussing him right now and he definetely wouldn't be on Pro Circuit. Even though he is the same rider back home (minus the incredible bikes) smoking people all day long. I guess what I'm saying is I wish the factories would look at riders all across the country to sponsor instead of demanding they go to all the nationals. I understand that sponsors need exposure, but I honestly believe that they could get just as much exposure on a regional level versus a national level...besides nobody out of amateur mx even knows who these kids are. Only other riders and their family's know who AC or any other kid who goes to all the national is.
twizzler wrote:
Yeah, and the Yankees are the richest team in baseball and can afford to hire the best players. The Lakers have $$ also and have great...
Yeah, and the Yankees are the richest team in baseball and can afford to hire the best players. The Lakers have $$ also and have great Mgmt. and can do the same in basketball. It's life, get used to it. Let the kids who are performing and getting the good support receive the accolades they truly deserve, they and their families earned it. Nothing was just given to them because of their money.

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twizzler, yer giving a mother advice on life? lmao....what a dork
Haha Booby! Not giving advice, just wanting her to give respect to the riders and families that earned what they have. Nobody earned anything just because of money. Hard work was involved as well.

I agree with motomom4 and others about no $$ in the amateurs. It's what has ruined amateur racing in most parts of the country. But then it also has allowed some families to go racing. So it's a fine line now matter what side you're on.
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Not trying to be disrespectful, but just seeing the user name "motomom4" on a thread about mini rides gives me the creeps.
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in vurb motos champion report they mentioned something about pro circuit possibly telling him not to race. maybe they sat him because they didn't want bad publicity for the motors failing?
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Not trying to be disrespectful, but just seeing the user name "motomom4" on a thread about mini rides gives me the creeps.
I'm kinda confused on that one? Please explain, if you don't mind...
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Twizzler, I never showed any disrespect to any riders in my posts, at least I don't think I did.

I agree on the fine line with money in the amateurs..if your the family getting the support your stoked...if your not, than it's a bummer and even if your a talented rider, but your family doesn't have the money to get you to all the big races, you probably will never make it.
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I wish we had your problems. We have very talanted kids siting at home cause parents can`t afford to buy a bike . They racing 65 , but when you have to step it up , there is just no money. Zero support from federation of motocross. In 2008 we had 30-40 riders every race in 85 class. Now it`s berely 15. Fuck you Lehman and goldmen and Sucks
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Tbteam wrote:
Not trying to be disrespectful, but just seeing the user name "motomom4" on a thread about mini rides gives me the creeps.
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I'm kinda confused on that one? Please explain, if you don't mind...
Like I said, I'm not singling you out. It's just that with the exception of Rick James, I get a little antsy when I see "Dad" or "Mom" and a riders number used as a user name. The whole "mini parent" vibe is projected, and I really have a problem with SOME mini parents.

I have seen things at the track between a poor kid and his mom or dad that should result in child abuse charges. Anyone that follows this sport closely has seen this behavior over and over.

I'm not saying that you are one of these types, but the user name just throws a red flag, that's all.
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I like how he helps #23 back to the ground at around the 45 sec mark of this vid

cpj36 wrote:
That's great, even better when he thanked Jesus afterward.
wasnt it the kid on the suzuki that thanked god, not the kid who pushed the other one over?
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motomom4 wrote:
Obviously AC is an incredible rider...but as I stated in an earlier post I believe there are other riders that are over looked because their parents...
Obviously AC is an incredible rider...but as I stated in an earlier post I believe there are other riders that are over looked because their parents don't have the money to take their kid to every national, every year. That is where the playing field in mx becomes unfair, because lets say a rider does decide to hit up a national or two every now and then and doesn't perform as well as they are capable of doing, because of bad starts, bad gate picks, bike failers, crashing, etc. they would never be discoverd IMO. That goes the same for AC, let's just say he was only able to race a national once in a while and he had results like he did at LL, we wouldn't even be discussing him right now and he definetely wouldn't be on Pro Circuit. Even though he is the same rider back home (minus the incredible bikes) smoking people all day long. I guess what I'm saying is I wish the factories would look at riders all across the country to sponsor instead of demanding they go to all the nationals. I understand that sponsors need exposure, but I honestly believe that they could get just as much exposure on a regional level versus a national level...besides nobody out of amateur mx even knows who these kids are. Only other riders and their family's know who AC or any other kid who goes to all the national is.
I know who AC is and I live in Canada...

I really hope your wish of more factory rider kids never happens...

A factory ride is not going to make your kid faster just put unwanted pressure on them...

that doesn't make a kid fast that just makes the want to quit !

if your kid is fast, they'll be found...ever heard of a kid named Dean Wilson ?
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Obviously AC is an incredible rider...but as I stated in an earlier post I believe there are other riders that are over looked because their parents...
Obviously AC is an incredible rider...but as I stated in an earlier post I believe there are other riders that are over looked because their parents don't have the money to take their kid to every national, every year. That is where the playing field in mx becomes unfair, because lets say a rider does decide to hit up a national or two every now and then and doesn't perform as well as they are capable of doing, because of bad starts, bad gate picks, bike failers, crashing, etc. they would never be discoverd IMO. That goes the same for AC, let's just say he was only able to race a national once in a while and he had results like he did at LL, we wouldn't even be discussing him right now and he definetely wouldn't be on Pro Circuit. Even though he is the same rider back home (minus the incredible bikes) smoking people all day long. I guess what I'm saying is I wish the factories would look at riders all across the country to sponsor instead of demanding they go to all the nationals. I understand that sponsors need exposure, but I honestly believe that they could get just as much exposure on a regional level versus a national level...besides nobody out of amateur mx even knows who these kids are. Only other riders and their family's know who AC or any other kid who goes to all the national is.
I know who AC is and I live in Canada...

I really hope your wish of more factory rider kids never happens...

A factory ride is not going to make your kid faster just put unwanted pressure on them...

that doesn't make a kid fast that just makes them want to quit !

if your kid is fast, they'll be found...ever heard of a kid named Dean Wilson ?

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