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I am with you on the harshness on the small chop. Both the front and rear suspension seem fairly harsh in the mid to me. I played with clickers a bit and took some high speed damping out and it seemed to helped a bit.
I notice the chassis really likes to carve up the corners, I can turn wayyy under my 450 Kawasaki with ease. I do get a pinch headshake from time to time, and it is definitely not as planted at speed as my 450. I wonder if crankshaft/piston/camshaft inertia have something to do with that?
Electric motors have a current limit, the horizontal line on the graph at lower rpm is the torque limit (current limit of the motor), the curved line at higher rpm is the power limit.
If there was no current limit and output was only power limited, 50hp at 10kmh would be 4369Nm at the rear wheel!
Yeah carves is definitely the best way to describe how it corners. It just goes wherever you want it to through corners and I think that is its biggest advantage. I feel like it is more planted and stable than my 23 350sxf.
Ok, I think I understand ha ha. So that could be what I'm feeling when I feel like the last 1/4 or so of throttle doesn't really do much?
If I go a 15 tooth overall torque will decrease but power limit will happen at a higher speed, is this correct?
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Yes, lower torque up to the power limit, which will be reached at a higher speed, but the same power output afterwards...
It's a shame Stark only offers adjustable maximum power, and doesn't also offer adjustable maximum torque, some surfaces would benefit from lower torque.
For reference a 450f in 1st gear's maximum rear wheel torque is about 910Nm, in 2nd it's about 750Nm and in 3rd its about 630Nm.
The bars that come on it are not branded so im not sure. I do plan on switching the bars out and seeing what difference it makes.
Adjustable power curve was another thing stark promised and hasn't delivered. I'd love to be able to adjust that, 50hp is enough down low but not enough up top. Whereas 60+ hp is better up top but can be too much off the bottom.
Thats what I'm thinking with the 15 tooth might reduce the torque a little to make the higher hp settings a bit more friendly off the bottom but still give a bit more power up top? Not sure if it would make any difference to battery usage.
I think your right, if you use the 15 tooth and run 60hp, it will reduce torque at lower speeds, with no effect at higher speeds, blue line below...
It won't make any difference to battery usage.
It's definitely worth a try then.
Yes!
You guys are funny. This Varg offers the most usable roll on power I've ever seen. Maybe focus on your technique a little more. Y'all must be engineers, that would make more sense.
I will say that my power curve has a bit more snap when she's fresh at 100%. Eventually, that mellows out.
My OG Varg (Vin0764) has been slay'n since 11/23. Suspension dialed and Ti pegs added. Other than that, I've put 1 new chain on'er and some tires.
I dont disagree at all that it has the best roll on power of any bike, it is just very flat on top. My main reason for changing gearing comes from trying to increase battery life, and i like tinkering.
May I ask what you have done to your suspension, your speed and your weight?
Fair enough, maybe you discover something you like more. I'm more of an adapt to what the bike has to offer kinda rider. My privateer tendencies in full effect.
I am 185lbs, former 2 digit national guy in my prime. Now, just a weekend warrior who rides 1 day a week. Craig Decker (Enzo) built my suspension. What I have is the 3rd version of his settings. I ride a stocker back to back almost every weekend so the difference couldn't be any more clear. My ride height is substantially more than stock. I highly recommend sending him your stuff if you're able.
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. I'd love to send my suspension to someone like enzo but unfortunately I'm in Australia and I live fairly remotely. I tend to do alot of my suspension work myself cos it's just easier.
Do you happen to know what enzo did to your suspension? What spring rates and sag are you running?
You are a bit lighter than me but probably alot faster, I'm curious to know what sort of battery life you get in different terrains?
He could borrow mine but he absolutely smoked a pirelli mid soft extremely quickly 😂
I know we went stiffer on the springs, front and rear. Sag 104ish.
The dirt in my state is very intermediate, some would call it perfect. I'm a long moto kinda guy. I'll start at 100% and take it down to single digits. Roughly 30-35 min moto's. I'll plug that bike in to charge and run another on the stocker. I usually pound out 4 moto's on the day before I'm smoked.
I have a 13,000 watt generator that will charge 2 bikes at 240v at the same time. It's ideal.
Yeah that's my plan, get another one and have a setup to charge both at the same time 👍
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A new record on the stark, 100% to 50% battery in 8 minutes and battery warning and power loss at 52% 🤣
Did you try to swap bikes with your buddies?
Adjustable power curves might be worth a try, it's already available for Varg EX, coming for Varg MX. Unfortunately behind subscription after 3 months free trial, monthly subscription is about the price of an air filter.
Yeah we did, and used similar battery on each bike.
I've heard different things about the adjustable power curve. Some say it won't be available on the current MX version and some say it will.
At least there's nothing wrong with your bike. Did you ride other tracks?
With your friends getting more range and less (to none?) overheating on the same track it means it comes from your speed, riding style and possibly setup (power, regen). Could you be the spinning the rear significantly more than them?
I'm confident there's nothing wrong with my bike, just electric technology isn't ready for all situations yet.
Yeah I've ridden a few other tracks now, best I have got is 40% battery for a 15 min moto. This was a harder pack slower overall speed track, basically best case scenario for me.
Both of my friends with starks are a reasonable amount slower than me.
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