Uphill double at Millville

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Did they lengthen the uphill double at Millville this year? I was watching the 450 on DVR yesterday and I thought Emig mentioned something about making some of the jumps bigger this year. He was saying that as they were coming over the uphill triple. So I was curious if that also applied to the uphill double.

The reason I ask is because the 250s were struggling to clear it this year. I don't remember it being that bad last year. Or maybe they made that little shelf before the face of the double different. Whatever they did I'm sure at least 90% of the 250 class riders are sore from casing that jump all day. Even in the 2nd moto the factory bikes were struggling to clear it.
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huck 7/19/2010 11:24am
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Did they lengthen the uphill double at Millville this year? I was watching the 450 on DVR yesterday and I thought Emig mentioned something about making...
Did they lengthen the uphill double at Millville this year? I was watching the 450 on DVR yesterday and I thought Emig mentioned something about making some of the jumps bigger this year. He was saying that as they were coming over the uphill triple. So I was curious if that also applied to the uphill double.

The reason I ask is because the 250s were struggling to clear it this year. I don't remember it being that bad last year. Or maybe they made that little shelf before the face of the double different. Whatever they did I'm sure at least 90% of the 250 class riders are sore from casing that jump all day. Even in the 2nd moto the factory bikes were struggling to clear it.
Everything seemed WAY steeper this year.
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chrisbuehler 7/19/2010 11:33am
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Didnt see much of the 250 races but was the rain the reason they couldnt get over it in the 2nd moto? Did catch the clip of Broc jumping over Pourcel's head on it. Even he cased it a little.
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raddad 7/19/2010 11:35am
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Dadof3 wrote:
Did they lengthen the uphill double at Millville this year? I was watching the 450 on DVR yesterday and I thought Emig mentioned something about making...
Did they lengthen the uphill double at Millville this year? I was watching the 450 on DVR yesterday and I thought Emig mentioned something about making some of the jumps bigger this year. He was saying that as they were coming over the uphill triple. So I was curious if that also applied to the uphill double.

The reason I ask is because the 250s were struggling to clear it this year. I don't remember it being that bad last year. Or maybe they made that little shelf before the face of the double different. Whatever they did I'm sure at least 90% of the 250 class riders are sore from casing that jump all day. Even in the 2nd moto the factory bikes were struggling to clear it.
huck wrote:
Everything seemed WAY steeper this year.
It always seems to get like that for the national.. did you see the uphill triple? They added only about 2' to the top of it and i barely tagged it with my back wheel and went over the bars! I remember it as having a flat landing but now it is a hump you have to down side. The whoops were not as big as 4 years ago but still took lots of energy to go through.

Good thing we didn't have to do that big double at the very end of the track by the downhill on amateur day eh Huck?
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It was pouring during the 2nd moto and that is definitely why the 250's couldn't make the jump. Most everybody jumped it til the rain came down and turned the track into a rutty mud hole.

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huck 7/19/2010 11:40am
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It always seems to get like that for the national.. did you see the uphill triple? They added only about 2' to the top of it...
It always seems to get like that for the national.. did you see the uphill triple? They added only about 2' to the top of it and i barely tagged it with my back wheel and went over the bars! I remember it as having a flat landing but now it is a hump you have to down side. The whoops were not as big as 4 years ago but still took lots of energy to go through.

Good thing we didn't have to do that big double at the very end of the track by the downhill on amateur day eh Huck?
I didn't see a big double in the back....I saw a big single and them a huge roller.... Blush
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Dadof3 7/19/2010 11:41am
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Didnt see much of the 250 races but was the rain the reason they couldnt get over it in the 2nd moto? Did catch the clip...
Didnt see much of the 250 races but was the rain the reason they couldnt get over it in the 2nd moto? Did catch the clip of Broc jumping over Pourcel's head on it. Even he cased it a little.
I was standing in that corner in the 2nd 250 moto. It didn't start raining until the end of the moto. I made my way back down the hill when it started raining. No way I wanted to try and navigate that hill in the mud even with the amount of liquid courage I had in me.

There were so many close calls on that jump in the 2nd 250 moto it was unreal. I've never seen so many almost get jumped and/or case a jump. The medical guys/flaggers standing there were on their toes for sure.
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tball374 7/19/2010 12:29pm
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Dadof3 wrote:
Did they lengthen the uphill double at Millville this year? I was watching the 450 on DVR yesterday and I thought Emig mentioned something about making...
Did they lengthen the uphill double at Millville this year? I was watching the 450 on DVR yesterday and I thought Emig mentioned something about making some of the jumps bigger this year. He was saying that as they were coming over the uphill triple. So I was curious if that also applied to the uphill double.

The reason I ask is because the 250s were struggling to clear it this year. I don't remember it being that bad last year. Or maybe they made that little shelf before the face of the double different. Whatever they did I'm sure at least 90% of the 250 class riders are sore from casing that jump all day. Even in the 2nd moto the factory bikes were struggling to clear it.
The single/shelf before the takeoff was a lot bigger than it had been before. Most people had to try not to jump off of it into the gully before the double. The rain didn't help any, plus the jumps were definitely steeper like Huck mentioned.

Another thing I noticed, is the track seemed to be more "supercross" than in years past. Singles going into a lot of corners, and a lot more split sections. Like before the whoops. And when Metcalfe started to triple in during practice, they added another bump to stop him from doing it. Why when one rider finds a sweet line, do they try everything so he loses the advantage?

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jaeckle 7/19/2010 12:29pm
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That track was amazing this year. The speed broadcast does not do it justice. You had to be there live to appreciate it.
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huck 7/19/2010 12:38pm
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Dadof3 wrote:
Did they lengthen the uphill double at Millville this year? I was watching the 450 on DVR yesterday and I thought Emig mentioned something about making...
Did they lengthen the uphill double at Millville this year? I was watching the 450 on DVR yesterday and I thought Emig mentioned something about making some of the jumps bigger this year. He was saying that as they were coming over the uphill triple. So I was curious if that also applied to the uphill double.

The reason I ask is because the 250s were struggling to clear it this year. I don't remember it being that bad last year. Or maybe they made that little shelf before the face of the double different. Whatever they did I'm sure at least 90% of the 250 class riders are sore from casing that jump all day. Even in the 2nd moto the factory bikes were struggling to clear it.
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The single/shelf before the takeoff was a lot bigger than it had been before. Most people had to try not to jump off of it into...
The single/shelf before the takeoff was a lot bigger than it had been before. Most people had to try not to jump off of it into the gully before the double. The rain didn't help any, plus the jumps were definitely steeper like Huck mentioned.

Another thing I noticed, is the track seemed to be more "supercross" than in years past. Singles going into a lot of corners, and a lot more split sections. Like before the whoops. And when Metcalfe started to triple in during practice, they added another bump to stop him from doing it. Why when one rider finds a sweet line, do they try everything so he loses the advantage?

That was so f-ing cool when they were launching that wall to the first whoop!!! I actually saw the 250f's hitting it before the big bikes. You could feel the ground shake when they hit it.

I thought Emig was going to shit himself when he saw the first guy to it.
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tball374 7/19/2010 12:44pm
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Yeah it was. The first guy I seen jump it was Alessi, but I think Reed and Grant were the only riders to do it in the first moto.
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Dadof3 7/19/2010 12:45pm
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Dadof3 wrote:
Did they lengthen the uphill double at Millville this year? I was watching the 450 on DVR yesterday and I thought Emig mentioned something about making...
Did they lengthen the uphill double at Millville this year? I was watching the 450 on DVR yesterday and I thought Emig mentioned something about making some of the jumps bigger this year. He was saying that as they were coming over the uphill triple. So I was curious if that also applied to the uphill double.

The reason I ask is because the 250s were struggling to clear it this year. I don't remember it being that bad last year. Or maybe they made that little shelf before the face of the double different. Whatever they did I'm sure at least 90% of the 250 class riders are sore from casing that jump all day. Even in the 2nd moto the factory bikes were struggling to clear it.
tball374 wrote:
The single/shelf before the takeoff was a lot bigger than it had been before. Most people had to try not to jump off of it into...
The single/shelf before the takeoff was a lot bigger than it had been before. Most people had to try not to jump off of it into the gully before the double. The rain didn't help any, plus the jumps were definitely steeper like Huck mentioned.

Another thing I noticed, is the track seemed to be more "supercross" than in years past. Singles going into a lot of corners, and a lot more split sections. Like before the whoops. And when Metcalfe started to triple in during practice, they added another bump to stop him from doing it. Why when one rider finds a sweet line, do they try everything so he loses the advantage?

The reason I went and stood in that corner in the 2nd moto was because of what I was seeing happening in the first moto. So many close calls and casing of the jump. The rain had no effect on that jump when I was watching. It hadn't even rained yet.

I think you're right about the shelf. It killed all the momentum they had after the corner when they would leave the ground.

jaeckle: I was trying to explain to my wife how steep those hills are while we were watching it last night. You can't. It also sucks to run out of beer when you're clear up at the top of them. They finally put bleachers up there this year. How about next year a beer tent???

Speaking of beer. Did anyone that took a vehicle in through the main gate to camp get searched this year? I know I didn't. Neither did anyone else we were with. In fact I saw guys walking around with cans of beer by the track on race day. Has Millville changed their policy?
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pie8man 7/19/2010 12:48pm
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I thought the SX style steep jump faces ruined the racing... How many passes were made on that uphill double when guys cased it and someone behind them greased the landing... I thought Pourcel almost got landed on... Leave the SX stuff in the stadium. Don't get me wrong, man made obstacles are fine, huge jumps and step ups are fine but some of those jump faces were ridiculous. That was nuts watching Dean Wilson jumping into that wall out of the whoops.... wait what is a wall in the middle of the whoops doing on an MX track?
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Highsider 7/19/2010 12:50pm
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Budget cuts...no off-duty Sheriffs hired to search vehicles. True story.

A lot of folks put in some serious work to hide the beer, for nothing...hahaha
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huck 7/19/2010 12:50pm
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Dadof3 wrote:
The reason I went and stood in that corner in the 2nd moto was because of what I was seeing happening in the first moto. So...
The reason I went and stood in that corner in the 2nd moto was because of what I was seeing happening in the first moto. So many close calls and casing of the jump. The rain had no effect on that jump when I was watching. It hadn't even rained yet.

I think you're right about the shelf. It killed all the momentum they had after the corner when they would leave the ground.

jaeckle: I was trying to explain to my wife how steep those hills are while we were watching it last night. You can't. It also sucks to run out of beer when you're clear up at the top of them. They finally put bleachers up there this year. How about next year a beer tent???

Speaking of beer. Did anyone that took a vehicle in through the main gate to camp get searched this year? I know I didn't. Neither did anyone else we were with. In fact I saw guys walking around with cans of beer by the track on race day. Has Millville changed their policy?
lol...I actually went back to the store and got more beer. Friday I was walking about with canned beer, but then I poured it in a cup...just to be safe.


I was never searched...or even asked about anything. I still checked my firearm in with them though....
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the riders union asked for all of that stuff!
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huck 7/19/2010 12:52pm
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Budget cuts...no off-duty Sheriffs hired to search vehicles. True story.

A lot of folks put in some serious work to hide the beer, for nothing...hahaha
It was nice though. It seemed less "rowdy" than years past.

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Dadof3 7/19/2010 1:04pm
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Highsider wrote:
Budget cuts...no off-duty Sheriffs hired to search vehicles. True story.

A lot of folks put in some serious work to hide the beer, for nothing...hahaha
They did haul in some reinforcements for Sat night. Which is to be expected. It does get pretty interesting at the beer garden. But a guy camped next to us said he stood there drinking a can of beer while he talked to a couple of them in their golf cart. They said nothing about the beer.



So next year they'll be able to collect all kinds of alcohol at the gate.
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pie8man wrote:
I thought the SX style steep jump faces ruined the racing... How many passes were made on that uphill double when guys cased it and someone...
I thought the SX style steep jump faces ruined the racing... How many passes were made on that uphill double when guys cased it and someone behind them greased the landing... I thought Pourcel almost got landed on... Leave the SX stuff in the stadium. Don't get me wrong, man made obstacles are fine, huge jumps and step ups are fine but some of those jump faces were ridiculous. That was nuts watching Dean Wilson jumping into that wall out of the whoops.... wait what is a wall in the middle of the whoops doing on an MX track?
So new places to pass ruined the racing?

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pie8man 7/19/2010 1:27pm
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Ruined the racing might be a little overstated, there was great racing but I would rather see passes in that corner after the landing or passes in the air that do not involve landing on someone because they did not quite make it. That single uphill double ruined some good 250 battles.
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Dadof3 7/19/2010 1:31pm
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Ruined the racing might be a little overstated, there was great racing but I would rather see passes in that corner after the landing or passes...
Ruined the racing might be a little overstated, there was great racing but I would rather see passes in that corner after the landing or passes in the air that do not involve landing on someone because they did not quite make it. That single uphill double ruined some good 250 battles.
Pourcel passed Canard back in the first moto when Carnard hit a hole and couldn't do the uphill double. I'm not sure Pourcel gets him back if Carnard is able to do that jump.
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I was also at the top of the uphill double during the 2nd 250 moto. Really fun to watch who kept hitting it in the rain and who stopped. Everybody was hitting it before the rain, and then everyone slowly stopped. CP was one of the first top guys to stop hitting it. Lots of guys also stopped hitting the big double in the rythm section.

No beer searches this year, I heard from a track source that they were going to try it out and see how rowdy things got. I went with the "dummy" six pack in the fridge (miller lite) that I was willing to lose, and hid the good stuff (summit and surly) deep in the camper.

We got to ride over that shelf in the whoops on Sunday. I can't imagine jumping it, not only are you landing in the whoops but there was a pit before the takeoff from everyone braking. Amazing.

Speaking of Sunday, man was that awesome. Hardly anyone rode. I put 3 hours on my hourmeter, obviously not all on the track. The track was mint after about the first hour, and the weather was cool until about 3pm. Track was the same as the amatuer race, except we got to do all the whoops. They broke it into big bike / mini, then into AB/C-VET/Mini.
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raddad 7/19/2010 3:02pm
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I was also at the top of the uphill double during the 2nd 250 moto. Really fun to watch who kept hitting it in the rain...
I was also at the top of the uphill double during the 2nd 250 moto. Really fun to watch who kept hitting it in the rain and who stopped. Everybody was hitting it before the rain, and then everyone slowly stopped. CP was one of the first top guys to stop hitting it. Lots of guys also stopped hitting the big double in the rythm section.

No beer searches this year, I heard from a track source that they were going to try it out and see how rowdy things got. I went with the "dummy" six pack in the fridge (miller lite) that I was willing to lose, and hid the good stuff (summit and surly) deep in the camper.

We got to ride over that shelf in the whoops on Sunday. I can't imagine jumping it, not only are you landing in the whoops but there was a pit before the takeoff from everyone braking. Amazing.

Speaking of Sunday, man was that awesome. Hardly anyone rode. I put 3 hours on my hourmeter, obviously not all on the track. The track was mint after about the first hour, and the weather was cool until about 3pm. Track was the same as the amatuer race, except we got to do all the whoops. They broke it into big bike / mini, then into AB/C-VET/Mini.
We left saturday night with the idea of going to Kellogg but decided not to race sunday after a rough few races on friday. Did they just leave the track all rutted and shitty for you on Sunday or knock it down?
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grover738 7/19/2010 3:08pm
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They worked it over. I don't think they touched the whoops, but the pros knock them flat, us slow guys dig 'em out. Rained again on Saturday night, so it was muddy right away on Sunday.
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As far as the uphill double, they let it get good and rough and the hill got really eaten out as did the take off. The outside of that hill is a bit lower, so makes it easier for the 250s cuz they can carry more speed over it, but when it gets rough they lose speed by switching lines or staying in the rough. Losing speed on a steep uphill really punishes a 250f.

As far as taking away a line that aguy is doing, if one guy is doing it, everyone will soon follow. If it's unsafe, you don't want all your top guys HAVING to jump something nutty. You say you don't "HAVE" to, and I say, they do because they are paid to win... at all costs.

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