The Dungy eligibility question answered

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[b:8cvc9y75]FROM: AMA Racing

DATE: March 15, 2008

SUBJECT: 2008 Monster Energy AMA Supercross an FIM World Championship.

Effective immediately please note the following rules changes. Developed in consulta-tion with Live Nation, these changes are intended to provide a safer and more competi-tive riding environment during timed practice and also provide qualified riders for the du-ration of the 2008 Monster Energy AMA Supercross an FIM World Championship:

Intentionally stopping on the race track during timed practice is prohibited. A rider found in violation of this rule will have their fastest lap of that session removed from the official results. A stoppage on the race track resulting from a mechanical issue or a fall down will not be considered intentional. The Series Manager or his designee will make the determination to whether or not the stopping was inten-tional.
Any designated Lites class rider choosing to move up to the Supercross class in the 2008 season will be permitted to return to the Lites class in the 2009 season regardless of his overall placing in the 2008 Monster Energy AMA Supercross an FIM World Championship class standings.
For the remainder of the 2008 Supercross season, any rider who currently holds an AMA Motocross license, that does not meet the licensing requirements listed in the 2008 AMA Supercross/Motocross rulebook for a Supercross Lites or Su-percross class endorsement will be allowed to petition the AMA Supercross Se-ries Manager for a Supercross Lites or Supercross class endorsement. Riders choosing to do so must currently hold an AMA Motocross license and be able to prove their ability to compete. This may be accomplished during practice at a Supercross event. In order to compete in the Supercross class a rider must also complete the FIM licensing requirements.
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3/17/2008 11:29am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:24pm
It's a good thing they write those rules in pencil. <img class= " title="Laughing">
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3/17/2008 11:32am
What they did is good for the sport and good for the fans.

I'm glad they did it.
3/17/2008 11:35am
Since they held back a whole class of B riders this year, they may have to continue these kinds of exemptions for a while since there won't be anybody advancing....
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3/17/2008 11:37am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:24pm
[quote="SteveS":15u5qhhq]Since they held back a whole class of B riders this year, they may have to continue these kinds of exemptions for a while since there won't be anybody advancing....[/quote:15u5qhhq]

Except the top 10 of the A class..

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3/17/2008 11:39am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:24pm
[quote="500guy":19fre6u1]Developed in consultation with Live Nation....
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That there says it all. The promoter is running the sport and it's rules, not the people that are supposed to be.
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3/17/2008 11:43am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:24pm
Fake <img class= " title="Smile">

The bob will not be happy, but what else is new.
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Chuck

You should be all for that, Who do you think the FIM takes orders from in the GP's ? Luongo is the boss period.
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3/17/2008 12:07pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:24pm
It's funny people talking smack about the flexibility in the rules and then also lauding the incoming of DMG.

[i:qea2k2ll]"You ain't seen nothing yet."[/i:qea2k2ll]
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3/17/2008 12:07pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:24pm
[quote="500guy":1jty2mjd]Chuck

You should be all for that, Who do you think the FIM takes orders from in the GP's ? Luongo is the boss period.[/quote:1jty2mjd]
Proof?
Evidence?
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Didn't a lot of us pretty much predict that the new endorsement for eligibility was a dumb idea and that the riders on the gate would be hurting in the SX class?

I also notice, that it says these are the rules for "2008". Exceptions made for star (Dungy) riders.

Guess it will be back to stupidity for next year.
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[quote="flarider":21pmn6vs][quote="500guy":21pmn6vs]Chuck

You should be all for that, Who do you think the FIM takes orders from in the GP's ? Luongo is the boss period.[/quote:21pmn6vs]
Proof?
Evidence?[/quote:21pmn6vs]

Prove I'm wrong

There is no burden of proof on Motodrive.
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3/17/2008 12:52pm
So if they keep this up, everything that fat ass idiot Whitelock did will be reverted back to what it was (or at least closer to something that make sense) And then when are the stupid class names going to be fixed?

Everything that lazy fat ass did was wrong...
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3/17/2008 12:55pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:24pm
[quote="jbomx363":1ai6vmaw]Didn't a lot of us pretty much predict that the new endorsement for eligibility was a dumb idea and that the riders on the gate would be hurting in the SX class?

I also notice, that it says these are the rules for "2008". Exceptions made for star (Dungy) riders.

Guess it will be back to stupidity for next year.[/quote:1ai6vmaw]
There's lots of eligible riders. If you'd made the night program over the last few years, you got grandfathered in.
Supercross is not a racing version of Logan's Run

The problem is injuries and money.
Sponsor dollars are tight, fuel prices are through the roof.

There are plenty of riders eligible, plenty
They just decided not to for one reason or another
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3/17/2008 12:56pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:24pm
[quote="500guy":1wvw4lxo][quote="flarider":1wvw4lxo][quote="500guy":1wvw4lxo]Chuck

You should be all for that, Who do you think the FIM takes orders from in the GP's ? Luongo is the boss period.[/quote:1wvw4lxo]
Proof?
Evidence?[/quote:1wvw4lxo]

Prove I'm wrong

There is no burden of proof on Motodrive.[/quote:1wvw4lxo]
So you admit to making it up
Cool
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[quote:1yq30oql]The problem is injuries and money.
Sponsor dollars are tight, fuel prices are through the roof.[/quote:1yq30oql]

So how does that explain all the riders that show up for the lites class and not the supercross class? Are there 20+ injured supercross racers, is the purse not increasing enough (keeping up with inflation/expenses, etc) to keep the interest in the older riders?

A look over the past, and it seemed about the same over the years as far as entries goes. Some good years, some years about the same as now. Even though, they didn't change the rules mid-stream back then to get more riders to show in one class or another.

Just silly, really.
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3/17/2008 1:43pm
No Dave

I admit you can't prove I'm wrong
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3/17/2008 1:49pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:24pm
[quote="SteveS":3nhfwnq5]Since they held back a whole class of B riders this year, they may have to continue these kinds of exemptions for a while since there won't be anybody advancing....[/quote:3nhfwnq5]

dungey went from B to pro....the A riders are washed up locals...try and keep up!
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3/17/2008 1:53pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:24pm
[quote="500guy":3gxq40o5]What they did is good for the sport and good for the fans.

I'm glad they did it.[/quote:3gxq40o5]


Totally. It's too small of a sport and times are too tough to make rules that keep people from racing the premier class.
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3/17/2008 2:00pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:24pm
[quote="500guy":14rzj5ay]No Dave

I admit you can't prove I'm wrong[/quote:14rzj5ay]
Jay, how do you prove something that doesn't happen?
Prove a negative, a non-existent?

You just hate YS so you make shit up, just admit it

Seems to me the accuser should have to prove his accusations, right?
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3/17/2008 3:01pm
There ya go trying to read minds again.

Those are your words not mine.

BTW : Saying Luongo calls the shots doesn't mean I hate Youthstream or FIM , it's just the way I was told it works by more than one person.
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3/17/2008 4:16pm
luongo seems way smarter than the people who hired whitlock!
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3/17/2008 5:12pm
AMA's problem all along is them thinking the sport is bigger than it is. Glad they made the changes, but I would like to see day qualifiers run again. With them changing rules around so often it clearly shows they don't really know what to do. Again I applaud them for changing, but just seems they don't have a real plan, everything seems to be done on the fly.
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3/17/2008 6:20pm
With less than 35 riders exactly who is going to be in these day qualifiers ?
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3/17/2008 6:57pm Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:24pm
[quote="Trip":1eu71b6z]AMA's problem all along is them thinking the sport is bigger than it is. Glad they made the changes, but I would like to see day qualifiers run again. With them changing rules around so often it clearly shows they don't really know what to do. Again I applaud them for changing, but just seems they don't have a real plan, everything seems to be done on the fly.[/quote:1eu71b6z]


The ability to change things and take new directions on the fly is the very thing that makes the most successfull companies rise above the fray. Its a great way to operate as long as basic principles are adheared to and the direction they take is generally forward. I think it clearly shows they DO know what to do and that is to do what it takes to make things right. Of course its only one mans opinion.
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Intentionally stopping on the race track during timed practice is prohibited. A rider found in violation of this rule will have their fastest lap of that session removed from the official results. A stoppage on the race track resulting from a mechanical issue or a fall down will not be considered intentional. The Series Manager or his designee will make the determination to whether or not the stopping was inten-tional.

[b:m8zk00n8]No more practicing your starts after timed practice begins.[/b:m8zk00n8]
3/17/2008 8:01pm
Well, actually you probably still can if you go off the track and around to the start. You just can't stop on the track to look at the whoops or a jump.
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3/18/2008 6:47am
Is this thread real or a line of bull? If it's real, cool, if it's not, I've sent unendorsed riders to petition the AMA, not cool.
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Its real, it was in a competition bulletin. I may petition also, I have made night shows in the past, but tore my ACL and sat out last year resulting the loss of my sx endorsement. We will see how it works ou though, I just had outdoor suspension put on my bike.
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3/18/2008 7:33am
918, Michael, will you be running the Echo LL Area?
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3/18/2008 9:16am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2016 6:24pm
[quote="500guy":1chplo3u]With less than 35 riders exactly who is going to be in these day qualifiers ?[/quote:1chplo3u]

If they go back to the old way of having day qualifiers, it gives guys more track time, more experience on a real sx track. Some guys need more time to dial in a track than just two timed qualifiying practices. Did guys like Ryan Clark just forget how to ride a bike? Take the factory sponsored guys out of the arguement, look at the guys without the private tracks. Those guys need more time on the track. Friday practice wouldn't hurt either.

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