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In your example, the cop probably got fired because he wasn't following protocol. So that's my question - what should protocol be in order to actually catch these guys?
Why do we have to keep worrying about their safety when they obviously have no regards for the safety of others or their own?
So what does that look like? Cops just start shooting at them? Cops ram their cars into the motorcycles? What if their bullets miss and hit a bystander? What if they ram a motorcycle and the bike or rider goes flying and injures or kills a bystander?
What if you just put a new top end on your motorcycle, and rode it up and down the street for a minute to break it in, and a cop happened to drive by and think you are a wheelie boy, and just shoots you?
What depth don't I understand?
I was asking a question about what the ideal solution is. How do you take from that, I don't understand the depth?
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GTFO out of here with this sensationalism nonsense. Again, nobody is saying the cops lose all accountability for their actions either. Get real.
How about a spike strip? Not going to hurt anyone else other than the intended target, maybe they’ll start wearing helmets after the first one hits the pavement?
If you think heat cycling your bike on a neighborhood road is the same as those guys, I think we can conclude our argument and go about our separate ways. Enjoy CA and the Law Enforcement that comes with it✌🏻
You said cops shouldn't have to worry about their safety. So how does that apply to actually apprehending them?
I think a spike strip is going to be pretty easy for a skilled (and most of these guys look pretty skilled) dirt bike rider to avoid.
Because there is not an answer for it all. What works for one incident does not work for another.
I'm not some ALWAYS back the cops guy, even though I spent a considerable about of time being one. They should be given legitimate options to enforce the laws and protect the public, but that does NOT absolve them from responsibility for terrible decisions and the consequences.
Did I say that? I said cops "don't have to worry about their safety?"
Nope. Sorry. It was "Rickyisms" who said that. I misattributed that comment.
Rickyisms wrote:
"Why do we have to keep worrying about their safety "
Put a broom handle through the spokes on their front wheel then, idk man. One day an innocent bystander is going to get seriously injured or killed from these idiots, and it seems like CHP had absolutely no intent on stopping them or handing out any form of punishment to these dudes.
I agree that blanket statement is dangerous and not helpful at all in finding a legitimate solution.
Because CHP policies are preventing them doing their jobs like they should be able to do. I agree. But I can almost guarantee the officers chasing are about as pissed off at their hands being tied as you are. If they are anything like 99% of the ones I worked with. (I was not CHP by the way lol)
Why should we prioritize the criminals wellbeing when they put innocent bystanders and travelers at risk? It’s fine the way it is now until some little kid gets hit and killed by one of them, and then everyone will ask why didn’t the police do more to stop it.
Prioritize their well being? Hell no. But there is a HUGE middle ground of nuance here.
ETA: If they can intervene and knock one of these POS's of their bike and only possibly injure them, I'm all for it. But what if that intervention sends the bike and/or rider across the median and through the windshield of your kids car? You going to say oh well, at least the wheelie boy got what was coming to him?
"...One day an innocent bystander is going to get seriously injured or killed from these idiots..."
Has already happened; Philadelphia maybe? Not sure of the location but it was in the news a few years back. Don't know how many actually get reported, though.
That’s up to the discretion of the officer at that point, you don’t have to ram them and send them flying across a highway. It’s no different than highway patrol making a calculated maneuver to PIT a vehicle without jeopardizing the wellbeing of the innocents on the road with them. Obviously risk calculation plays a large part into executing things like that.
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Spoken like someone who's never performed a PIT maneuver. Calculated is a loose term man. Trust me.
Ideally, you are absolutely correct. Real world, it's a "calculated" risk. Also, like others have mentioned....no way any agency in CA is authorizing a PIT, let alone a hight speed PIT, for a traffic violation. It's just the reality we live in now.
You’re right, I never said I performed a PIT. I’m not expecting any LE agency to just ram someone and send them flying because they’re riding a dirt bike on the street, but it would be nice if they even put forth a % of effort to make it look like they’re trying to do something about it.
Ok man, I'm out. You win.
The wheelie boys are dropping like flies. So much so some are giving up on this non-sense.
To think they have anything but very limited skills off-road is a mistake. Sure some of them can ride MX but that is the exception to the rule. Once that bike starts bouncing around they freak out.
You guys should donate your Eks Brand goggles to the wheelie boys. The TV time would really help with Eks Brand's marketing.
You are clearly arguing with a beyond flaming narcissist, it is why every response is a question. Don't sweat it, he does not have the answers either. Either way you are wasting your time responding, and he WILL respond every time you do, with another retarded question trying to make you look stupid, and making him look intelligent (at least to himself).
I'm a narcissist for looking for a better way for law enforcement to handle these guys?
No Dickie, you’re clueless because you’re a bleeding heart.
A bleeding heart is the opposite of a narcissist.
Looks like he has another question for you Son of Thor.
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