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Brutal for those involved , but how much sympathy can you have. They have created their own perfect storm, and now they are paying the price.As always...

Brutal for those involved , but how much sympathy can you have. 

They have created their own perfect storm, and now they are paying the price.

As always, the boots on the ground people can see this coming but are powerless to act, while those in power are more interested in the color of people's hoses. 

Fuckwittery at its finest. 

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Believe me....there are lots of us who don't vote for the stupid policies/laws etc in this state.   Many times, when we do vote for the...

Believe me....there are lots of us who don't vote for the stupid policies/laws etc in this state.   Many times, when we do vote for the right things, it gets overturned.      Sadly, we're outnumbered by idiots in this state .

As for the no brush clearing....this is a misnomer.    If you live in a "high risk" or "very high risk" fire zone, you are required to create/maintain a "defensible space".    In some conditions (mountain area), that distance is not possible.    If the fire department sees you are not complying with this, they will drive past your home to defend the homes that are. 

Also,  due to AB-38, seller of a property in a high risk or very high risk zone, they are required to have an inspection done.   If the seller does not do this, the new owner is required to do so within 1 year.   Our home is in a "high risk" zone and our sellers we're unable to do this, so it fell on us.   We had the fire department come out  for an inspection to make sure we were compliant.      

 

Defensible Space Zones

Zone 0: Start Closest to Your Home to be Ember-resistant

The first five feet from your home is the most important. Keeping the area closest to buildings, structures, and decks clear will prevent embers from igniting materials that can spread the fire to your home.

Why? The majority of homes lost to wildfire are ignited by flying embers. Embers can travel miles ahead of the active front of wildfires.  

What to do:

Use hardscape like gravel, pavers, or concrete. No combustible bark or mulch.

Remove all dead and dying plants, weeds, and debris (leaves, needles, etc.) from your roof, gutter, deck, porch, stairways, and under any areas of your home.

Remove all branches within 10 feet of any chimney or stovepipe outlet.

Limit combustible items (like outdoor furniture and planters) on top of decks.

Relocate firewood and lumber to Zone 2.

Replace combustible fencing, gates, and arbors attached to the home with noncombustible alternatives.

Consider relocating garbage and recycling containers outside this zone.

Consider relocating boats, RVs, vehicles, and other combustible items outside this zone.

Zone 1: Keep it Lean, Clean and Green Within 30 feet

Regularly clear dead or dry vegetation and create space between trees. During times of drought when watering is limited, pay special attention to clearing dead or dying material.  

Why? Removing dead plants and creating space between trees and shrubs creates a buffer for your property and reduces potential fuel for fire.  

What to do:

Remove all dead plants, grass, and weeds.

Remove dead or dry leaves and pine needles.

Trim trees regularly to keep branches a minimum of 10 feet from other trees.

Create a separation between trees, shrubs, and items that could catch fire, such as patio furniture, wood piles, swing sets, etc.

 

Zone 2: Reduce Potential Fuel Within 100 feet

Continue reducing potential fuel within 100 feet or the property line.

Why? 100 feet of defensible space is required by law. Public Resources Code (PRC) 4291

What to do:

Cut or mow annual grass down to a maximum height of four inches.

Create horizontal space between shrubs and trees. (See diagram)

Create vertical space between grass, shrubs and trees. (See diagram)

Remove fallen leaves, needles, twigs, bark, cones, and small branches. However, they may be permitted to a depth of three inches.

Keep 10 feet of clearance around exposed wood piles, down to bare mineral soil, in all directions.

Clear areas around outbuildings and propane tanks. Keep 10 feet of clearance to bare mineral soil and no flammable vegetation for an additional 10 feet around their exterior.

 

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philG wrote:
I have a buddy in Calabasas, who says he has seen this coming for a while, the whole place has just not been looked after properly...

I have a buddy in Calabasas, who says he has seen this coming for a while, the whole place has just not been looked after properly for so long, that this was something that was bound to happen, although that is hardly news now i guess. 

Its sad that while the populus has to take responsibility for lots of stuff, the local authorities, and government in general do not seem to have done that and have made decisions, that appear to be insignificant, but have huge ramifications.  

I cant imagine what it must be like, but the handling of the clean up will tell everyone who hasnt already realised what is going on, and who is looking to profit. 

 

We have the same here in the UK, with flooding, where the local landowners have been able to look after their watercourses for generations, with ditch work and dredging , now it is forbidden by the EU , which we should no longer be beholden to, but are, so when we have anything like a decent amount of rain, places that never flooded, flood for fun.  Not helped by the fact they have been building on what have been flood plains for years. 

The Triumph factory is built on what was flood relief for the town, they put loads of new drainage in 40 years ago in that area, but we still used to be able to make rafts to float over the fields in the winter.  

 

...oh for sure, the government has let things go to hell.    Gotta pay for all those handouts somehow....      I'm just saying you are partly responsible for your own defense in high risk areas.

I grew up in Calabasas off Mulholland HWY. and my mom was still living there in 93 when wild fires went through there....right through our front yard in fact.     Our house survived, many neighbors did not.     The images in the news bring back some horrifying memories. 

A few months later the 94 Earthquake hit....    it was an interesting time. 

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Magoofan wrote:
...oh for sure, the government has let things go to hell.    Gotta pay for all those handouts somehow....      I'm just saying you are...

...oh for sure, the government has let things go to hell.    Gotta pay for all those handouts somehow....      I'm just saying you are partly responsible for your own defense in high risk areas.

I grew up in Calabasas off Mulholland HWY. and my mom was still living there in 93 when wild fires went through there....right through our front yard in fact.     Our house survived, many neighbors did not.     The images in the news bring back some horrifying memories. 

A few months later the 94 Earthquake hit....    it was an interesting time. 

And all I hear about is how scary tornadoes are.

Seems like my chances are a little better. 

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Magoofan wrote:
...oh for sure, the government has let things go to hell.    Gotta pay for all those handouts somehow....      I'm just saying you are...

...oh for sure, the government has let things go to hell.    Gotta pay for all those handouts somehow....      I'm just saying you are partly responsible for your own defense in high risk areas.

I grew up in Calabasas off Mulholland HWY. and my mom was still living there in 93 when wild fires went through there....right through our front yard in fact.     Our house survived, many neighbors did not.     The images in the news bring back some horrifying memories. 

A few months later the 94 Earthquake hit....    it was an interesting time. 

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

And all I hear about is how scary tornadoes are.

Seems like my chances are a little better. 

Oh man...   I'll take the ground sharing under my feet any day over tornados.        

I'm weird, I actually get a kick out of earthquakes.      The big ones are another story.   The 94 Northridge quake was gnarly.  It wasn't a roller, it was a thrust quake.  Felt like a giant was picking up the whole house and slamming it down hyper quickly....    That was the ride of a lifetime.

 

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Water rights are huge $$$$$. I’m wondering how the discussions will go after the smoke has cleared. 

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This is sad and so devastating for so many people. I feel so bad for everyone with all these disasters happening.  Mother nature can take it all if she wants it. I can't recover from her wrath after thinking we were doing ok before and don't know if we will ever. It becomes a domino effect and so many lives affected out of nowhere in an instant.  I pray for everyone's safety and containment. Please end this nightmare.

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James Woods talking about his 94 year old neighbor being left behind by the persons caregiver and just an hour after being saved the guys house burns down was a bit disturbing. I sometimes wonder if i should get someone for my 92 year old mom, but no one is going to care for her like family.

The other story i heard was of the elderly couple, who had been married many decades and had lived in the same house for almost as long. Their insurance provider had just recently canceled the fire coverage for their home. Burned to the ground.

So much to be angry about.

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1/9/2025 1:01pm Edited Date/Time 1/9/2025 1:13pm
James Woods talking about his 94 year old neighbor being left behind by the persons caregiver and just an hour after being saved the guys house...

James Woods talking about his 94 year old neighbor being left behind by the persons caregiver and just an hour after being saved the guys house burns down was a bit disturbing. I sometimes wonder if i should get someone for my 92 year old mom, but no one is going to care for her like family.

The other story i heard was of the elderly couple, who had been married many decades and had lived in the same house for almost as long. Their insurance provider had just recently canceled the fire coverage for their home. Burned to the ground.

So much to be angry about.

As someone who works in Insurance in Australia I don't see how the stories coming out of insurance cancelling fire coverage is true, unless there is a different way that policy's are handled in America an insurance policy is a contract, nominally it is for a 12 month period, if the policy/contract has come to its end the insurer may vary the policy terms but not whilst the policy is valid, I could be wrong but there is no way that would happen here.

Regarding the fires, again whilst I am on the other side of the world it appears that there was plenty of mismanagement leading up to this just like our fires from 2019/2020 which I fought for over 2 months, restricting access to areas, stopping fuel load reduction activities, not having enough assets to hand and lack of training plus it looks like there was the good ol government in the back ground playing funny buggers with "environmental flows" and letting water go out to sea in the name of "conservation policy's" has come back to bite.

Unfortunately common sense is no longer common but muh "Climate Change" caused it all bullshit is just that, bullshit, whilst disasters like this can happen it can be mitigated to a large degree with proper planning in place and using resources that are readily to hand not locked up under government bureaucracy.       

Edit, link to a story from the Black Saturday fires, the only house to survive despite being fined by the council $50k for clearing his land................you would think that the local council would of learned a lesson but you would be wrong. 

Black Saturday survivor fined for cutting down trees supports hazard reduction | Daily Mail Online

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James Woods talking about his 94 year old neighbor being left behind by the persons caregiver and just an hour after being saved the guys house...

James Woods talking about his 94 year old neighbor being left behind by the persons caregiver and just an hour after being saved the guys house burns down was a bit disturbing. I sometimes wonder if i should get someone for my 92 year old mom, but no one is going to care for her like family.

The other story i heard was of the elderly couple, who had been married many decades and had lived in the same house for almost as long. Their insurance provider had just recently canceled the fire coverage for their home. Burned to the ground.

So much to be angry about.

Caregiver leaving the 94 year old should be a prosecutable crime.     Fucking lowlife....

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I’m not sure it’s true but, saw a clip stating the reservoirs are out of water. I really hope it’s BS. My heart goes out to everyone...

I’m not sure it’s true but, saw a clip stating the reservoirs are out of water. I really hope it’s BS. 

My heart goes out to everyone affected. 

Saw an interview on TV with James Woods (actor). His home was in the middle of all the fires and is probably lost. He was stating that the reservoirs were dry. 

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TeamGreen wrote:
The mayor was hit with the 1st question about her being out of the country…lack of 1st responders on site…She totally blew it off with her...

The mayor was hit with the 1st question about her being out of the country…lack of 1st responders on site…

She totally blew it off with her “1 response” bullshit.

Damn , L.A. …

Your leaders actually suck worse than can be explained. 

A question to the mayor: “Hydrants not working in Palisades Heights…?”

“…because of the winds” was her answer. WOW

Continuing to blame The Wind when asked about ground resources…

How stupid are we? 

 

After watching our mayor get hammered with questions and she did nothing but deflect, I got a new nickame for her   "Dumbass Karen Bass".  Maybe the blue will wakeup now after seeing such mismanagment of these horrible blue politicians.  48hrs later they still do not have water in hot spots where some houses were saved as the fire hydrants are still not working.  The mayor has no answers, just bullshit deflection.

And you hear them say in the press conference, "the water problem is now gone" as if they fixed things over night.

All of California is going to pay heavily for this.  Proper management and proper allocatoin of funds could have minimized some the blow, but they continue to burn our tax money on bottomless pits.

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Magoofan wrote:

Caregiver leaving the 94 year old should be a prosecutable crime.     Fucking lowlife....

1000%

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Kamala Harris just said on live TV, this is "unpredictable"!    Hahahahahahaha, what a joke our politicians are.

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Magoofan wrote:

Caregiver leaving the 94 year old should be a prosecutable crime.     Fucking lowlife....

LungButter wrote:

1000%

Failure to render aide is punishable. 

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James Woods talking about his 94 year old neighbor being left behind by the persons caregiver and just an hour after being saved the guys house...

James Woods talking about his 94 year old neighbor being left behind by the persons caregiver and just an hour after being saved the guys house burns down was a bit disturbing. I sometimes wonder if i should get someone for my 92 year old mom, but no one is going to care for her like family.

The other story i heard was of the elderly couple, who had been married many decades and had lived in the same house for almost as long. Their insurance provider had just recently canceled the fire coverage for their home. Burned to the ground.

So much to be angry about.

1Burrdog wrote:
As someone who works in Insurance in Australia I don't see how the stories coming out of insurance cancelling fire coverage is true, unless there is...

As someone who works in Insurance in Australia I don't see how the stories coming out of insurance cancelling fire coverage is true, unless there is a different way that policy's are handled in America an insurance policy is a contract, nominally it is for a 12 month period, if the policy/contract has come to its end the insurer may vary the policy terms but not whilst the policy is valid, I could be wrong but there is no way that would happen here.

Regarding the fires, again whilst I am on the other side of the world it appears that there was plenty of mismanagement leading up to this just like our fires from 2019/2020 which I fought for over 2 months, restricting access to areas, stopping fuel load reduction activities, not having enough assets to hand and lack of training plus it looks like there was the good ol government in the back ground playing funny buggers with "environmental flows" and letting water go out to sea in the name of "conservation policy's" has come back to bite.

Unfortunately common sense is no longer common but muh "Climate Change" caused it all bullshit is just that, bullshit, whilst disasters like this can happen it can be mitigated to a large degree with proper planning in place and using resources that are readily to hand not locked up under government bureaucracy.       

Edit, link to a story from the Black Saturday fires, the only house to survive despite being fined by the council $50k for clearing his land................you would think that the local council would of learned a lesson but you would be wrong. 

Black Saturday survivor fined for cutting down trees supports hazard reduction | Daily Mail Online

My understanding is that State Farm, the insurer wanted to ramp up premiums to reflect the increased fire risk in  area, for all the reasons that are becoming apparent, but California said they couldn't , so they withdrew cover. I am reading 1600 properties affected, but i am sure someone closer to it will have better info. 

Right now, i am thinking of all those in Lahaina that seem to have been forgotten, and looking at this thinking exactly the same has happened. 

 

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I’m not sure it’s true but, saw a clip stating the reservoirs are out of water. I really hope it’s BS. My heart goes out to everyone...

I’m not sure it’s true but, saw a clip stating the reservoirs are out of water. I really hope it’s BS. 

My heart goes out to everyone affected. 

Hudweiser9 wrote:
Saw an interview on TV with James Woods (actor). His home was in the middle of all the fires and is probably lost. He was stating...

Saw an interview on TV with James Woods (actor). His home was in the middle of all the fires and is probably lost. He was stating that the reservoirs were dry. 

The sad reality of it is, the responsibility lies with those who have absolutely no idea how to do their jobs. 
People want the title of said jobs but, don’t do the work required of those titles. 

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philG wrote:
My understanding is that State Farm, the insurer wanted to ramp up premiums to reflect the increased fire risk in  area, for all the reasons that...

My understanding is that State Farm, the insurer wanted to ramp up premiums to reflect the increased fire risk in  area, for all the reasons that are becoming apparent, but California said they couldn't , so they withdrew cover. I am reading 1600 properties affected, but i am sure someone closer to it will have better info. 

Right now, i am thinking of all those in Lahaina that seem to have been forgotten, and looking at this thinking exactly the same has happened. 

 

That's the outcome of many little things. 

Like in my state, near the coast, if you don't have a mortgage, you aren't required to have insurance. More people are rolling the dice because you can get wind insurance easy, but you have to add flood and it's very expensive. 

The more people decide to gamble, the more it costs those who don't.  

It's a snowball rolling down the hill.

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saw this on Reddit, unbelievable

 

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Magoofan wrote:

Caregiver leaving the 94 year old should be a prosecutable crime.     Fucking lowlife....

LungButter wrote:

1000%

SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Failure to render aide is punishable. 

I saw that interview also. Or at least I saw an interview with Woods. I though I heard him say that first responders told the caregiver that they would be right back for the guy and to leave? But then they didn't come back by the time he was found?

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James Woods talking about his 94 year old neighbor being left behind by the persons caregiver and just an hour after being saved the guys house...

James Woods talking about his 94 year old neighbor being left behind by the persons caregiver and just an hour after being saved the guys house burns down was a bit disturbing. I sometimes wonder if i should get someone for my 92 year old mom, but no one is going to care for her like family.

The other story i heard was of the elderly couple, who had been married many decades and had lived in the same house for almost as long. Their insurance provider had just recently canceled the fire coverage for their home. Burned to the ground.

So much to be angry about.

1Burrdog wrote:
As someone who works in Insurance in Australia I don't see how the stories coming out of insurance cancelling fire coverage is true, unless there is...

As someone who works in Insurance in Australia I don't see how the stories coming out of insurance cancelling fire coverage is true, unless there is a different way that policy's are handled in America an insurance policy is a contract, nominally it is for a 12 month period, if the policy/contract has come to its end the insurer may vary the policy terms but not whilst the policy is valid, I could be wrong but there is no way that would happen here.

Regarding the fires, again whilst I am on the other side of the world it appears that there was plenty of mismanagement leading up to this just like our fires from 2019/2020 which I fought for over 2 months, restricting access to areas, stopping fuel load reduction activities, not having enough assets to hand and lack of training plus it looks like there was the good ol government in the back ground playing funny buggers with "environmental flows" and letting water go out to sea in the name of "conservation policy's" has come back to bite.

Unfortunately common sense is no longer common but muh "Climate Change" caused it all bullshit is just that, bullshit, whilst disasters like this can happen it can be mitigated to a large degree with proper planning in place and using resources that are readily to hand not locked up under government bureaucracy.       

Edit, link to a story from the Black Saturday fires, the only house to survive despite being fined by the council $50k for clearing his land................you would think that the local council would of learned a lesson but you would be wrong. 

Black Saturday survivor fined for cutting down trees supports hazard reduction | Daily Mail Online

philG wrote:
My understanding is that State Farm, the insurer wanted to ramp up premiums to reflect the increased fire risk in  area, for all the reasons that...

My understanding is that State Farm, the insurer wanted to ramp up premiums to reflect the increased fire risk in  area, for all the reasons that are becoming apparent, but California said they couldn't , so they withdrew cover. I am reading 1600 properties affected, but i am sure someone closer to it will have better info. 

Right now, i am thinking of all those in Lahaina that seem to have been forgotten, and looking at this thinking exactly the same has happened. 

 

I just had a quick look at this and State Farm did not cancel the policy's they did not renew the policy's as they expired, big difference; most of the headlines that I have now seen are at best misleading to downright false. There was still an option if people chose to go through the so called Fair program but many may not have taken this up. 

Below is a snip from a May 2023 article.

State Farm has stopped accepting homeowner insurance applications in California, citing the growing risk from catastrophes like wildfires and the rising cost to rebuild.

"State Farm General Insurance Company made this decision due to historic increases in construction costs outpacing inflation, rapidly growing catastrophe exposure, and a challenging reinsurance market," the insurance giant said in a statement on Friday.

"It's necessary to take these actions now to improve the company's financial strength," the company added.

State Farm no longer accepts homeowner insurance applications in California : NPR

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James Woods talking about his 94 year old neighbor being left behind by the persons caregiver and just an hour after being saved the guys house...

James Woods talking about his 94 year old neighbor being left behind by the persons caregiver and just an hour after being saved the guys house burns down was a bit disturbing. I sometimes wonder if i should get someone for my 92 year old mom, but no one is going to care for her like family.

The other story i heard was of the elderly couple, who had been married many decades and had lived in the same house for almost as long. Their insurance provider had just recently canceled the fire coverage for their home. Burned to the ground.

So much to be angry about.

1Burrdog wrote:
As someone who works in Insurance in Australia I don't see how the stories coming out of insurance cancelling fire coverage is true, unless there is...

As someone who works in Insurance in Australia I don't see how the stories coming out of insurance cancelling fire coverage is true, unless there is a different way that policy's are handled in America an insurance policy is a contract, nominally it is for a 12 month period, if the policy/contract has come to its end the insurer may vary the policy terms but not whilst the policy is valid, I could be wrong but there is no way that would happen here.

Regarding the fires, again whilst I am on the other side of the world it appears that there was plenty of mismanagement leading up to this just like our fires from 2019/2020 which I fought for over 2 months, restricting access to areas, stopping fuel load reduction activities, not having enough assets to hand and lack of training plus it looks like there was the good ol government in the back ground playing funny buggers with "environmental flows" and letting water go out to sea in the name of "conservation policy's" has come back to bite.

Unfortunately common sense is no longer common but muh "Climate Change" caused it all bullshit is just that, bullshit, whilst disasters like this can happen it can be mitigated to a large degree with proper planning in place and using resources that are readily to hand not locked up under government bureaucracy.       

Edit, link to a story from the Black Saturday fires, the only house to survive despite being fined by the council $50k for clearing his land................you would think that the local council would of learned a lesson but you would be wrong. 

Black Saturday survivor fined for cutting down trees supports hazard reduction | Daily Mail Online

philG wrote:
My understanding is that State Farm, the insurer wanted to ramp up premiums to reflect the increased fire risk in  area, for all the reasons that...

My understanding is that State Farm, the insurer wanted to ramp up premiums to reflect the increased fire risk in  area, for all the reasons that are becoming apparent, but California said they couldn't , so they withdrew cover. I am reading 1600 properties affected, but i am sure someone closer to it will have better info. 

Right now, i am thinking of all those in Lahaina that seem to have been forgotten, and looking at this thinking exactly the same has happened. 

 

They just updated the structure loss/damage count to 6000.

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Insurance companies wont issue new policies in places prone to fires because the fires are getting worse...
Insurance companies wont issue new policies in places prone to floods because the floods are getting worse...

It's almost like the insurance companies are reacting to the rapid changes our climate is experiencing and covering their asses.

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They just updated the structure loss/damage count to 6000.

As a SoCal native you think you're hardened to our fire seasons but the photos we've been getting from our friends around town where there is just nothing left of entire neighborhoods is incredibly numbing to look at.

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1/9/2025 3:36pm Edited Date/Time 1/10/2025 2:41am

You think these people are pissed off now  ???

Wait until they find out, like the people in N.Carolina have, that there's no help coming.

 

Climate.

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

These fires have been seasonal since I was a kid back there in the 60's and 70's.

Long before big al concocted the climate scam.

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They just updated the structure loss/damage count to 6000.

As a SoCal native you think you're hardened to our fire seasons but the photos we've been getting from our friends around town where there is...

As a SoCal native you think you're hardened to our fire seasons but the photos we've been getting from our friends around town where there is just nothing left of entire neighborhoods is incredibly numbing to look at.

The fact that I have 3 friends and my Aunt that have lost houses is just unfathomable. Now a fire is burning into Agoura/Calabasas. My Wife has to help her assisted living building evacuate to downtown LA as that's the only place with any open rooms.

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avidchimp wrote:
The fact that I have 3 friends and my Aunt that have lost houses is just unfathomable. Now a fire is burning into Agoura/Calabasas. My Wife...

The fact that I have 3 friends and my Aunt that have lost houses is just unfathomable. Now a fire is burning into Agoura/Calabasas. My Wife has to help her assisted living building evacuate to downtown LA as that's the only place with any open rooms.

It's insane.

The amount of times over the last two days that my wife and I have said, "you've got to be fucking kidding me", in regards to finding out new fires have started, people we know that have lost houses, businesses we loved being burned down is uncountable.

If shit goes anymore sideways (at this point, I wanna say "how could it" but it seems you can't rule anything out with this one) and you need any help with anything let me know.

And sorry to hear about your friends and aunts houses. We went through this with the SD fires 20 odd years ago and seeing nature just eat the fuck out of your house is a brutal thing to experience.

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1/9/2025 3:52pm Edited Date/Time 1/9/2025 3:57pm
Insurance companies wont issue new policies in places prone to fires because the fires are getting worse...Insurance companies wont issue new policies in places prone to...

Insurance companies wont issue new policies in places prone to fires because the fires are getting worse...
Insurance companies wont issue new policies in places prone to floods because the floods are getting worse...

It's almost like the insurance companies are reacting to the rapid changes our climate is experiencing and covering their asses.

What did they call the cause of the event in 1930-1940? (Dust bowl, I'll save you mouse clicks)

They didn't name anything because they knew Ma nature will do Ma nature things.

There sure were not enough cars and cows to change the climate. What did it?

Over farming? Didn't help,  but the severe drought pretty much did it.

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1/9/2025 3:53pm Edited Date/Time 1/9/2025 3:56pm

I went for a hike/run yesterday at Runyon Canyon Park, got home and showered to get ready to attend a film screening.  As I was leaving my place an hour later I could see flames at the top of the park, 10 minutes later the entire hillside was on fire and became The Sunset Fire.  I had definitely never seen anything like it up close.

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1/9/2025 3:55pm

Watched the news and just dont know what to say, beyond comprehension.

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1/9/2025 4:01pm
SEEMEFIRST wrote:
What did they call the cause of the event in 1930-1940? (Dust bowl, I'll save you mouse clicks)They didn't name anything because they knew Ma nature...

What did they call the cause of the event in 1930-1940? (Dust bowl, I'll save you mouse clicks)

They didn't name anything because they knew Ma nature will do Ma nature things.

There sure were not enough cars and cows to change the climate. What did it?

Over farming? Didn't help,  but the severe drought pretty much did it.

Severe drought, over grazing, and human arrogance caused the dust bowl. You'd think the giant fuck you mother nature gave us over that one for fucking up her balance the way we did would have been an learning moment for all of us.... yet, here we are... again.

Ken Burns did an amazing series on it; highly recommend watching it. That and his one on the American Buffalo, his one on Hemmingway, his one one Vietnam, his baseball one, the central park five, the prohibition, country music (insanely good one).... you know what, better yet, just watch all of them. Ken Burns is an American treasure.

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