Roczen to tace AMA SX and FIM MX in 2011

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prozach 6/27/2010 9:33am
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DC, Luckely for me, I am my own boss. It's called Freelance. I love the idea of him racing AMA SX and FIM MX. Not everyone...
DC,



Luckely for me, I am my own boss. It's called Freelance. I love the idea of him racing AMA SX and FIM MX. Not everyone checks in on vitalmx. I like coming here to chat with fellow fans, but to be honest I didn't see the video, and didn't hear it anywhere else about him doing it. And you know what is weird, neither did anyone else at the GP today. It's news here.



Geoff



JackLHyde wrote:
Well, I did, and I just consider myself a hardcore fan, so even a regular industry guy should have known this. Am I an insider now?
mxgeoff wrote:
Well, most people didn't know at the GP. Believe me, I asked probably 10 of the top journalists and also many team managers. it was news...
Well, most people didn't know at the GP. Believe me, I asked probably 10 of the top journalists and also many team managers. it was news to them. Herlings didn't even know the age limit might be changed back. When I told him he was surprised.

Go figure. Maybe we are slow in Europe or something.

Geoff
So that proves it, Not only is our series better but so are our journalist!!! LMAO
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I think Reed will be racing the USGP next year
right............. i think reed will retire next year
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has the age rule changed yet? does it apply to SX? otherwise, this topic is a waste..............
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I heard 90% chance is changes. For the GP people it doesn't make any difference. We are happy if they stay here all year. I think...
I heard 90% chance is changes. For the GP people it doesn't make any difference. We are happy if they stay here all year. I think it would be the American's loss to not see Roczen and Herlings race SX in America. For us it doesnt really matter.
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oh, i agree! i hope they change the rule as we have tons of amatuers here that could do well. and with Ken and herlings expressing...
oh, i agree! i hope they change the rule as we have tons of amatuers here that could do well. and with Ken and herlings expressing so much interest in racing here, our series could continue to grow. heck, maybe they could add a few SX rounds over in Spain, France and England to give the euro fans a chance to witness a true supercross!
I would love that, only problem they tried that with a bunch of leading AMA Supercross riders, raced in Spain, Holland and I think Switzerland, all rounds had poor attendance.

Seems the yanks are not the only ones who like their own thing.

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JackLHyde wrote:
Well, I did, and I just consider myself a hardcore fan, so even a regular industry guy should have known this. Am I an insider now?
mxgeoff wrote:
Well, most people didn't know at the GP. Believe me, I asked probably 10 of the top journalists and also many team managers. it was news...
Well, most people didn't know at the GP. Believe me, I asked probably 10 of the top journalists and also many team managers. it was news to them. Herlings didn't even know the age limit might be changed back. When I told him he was surprised.

Go figure. Maybe we are slow in Europe or something.

Geoff
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So that proves it, Not only is our series better but so are our journalist!!! LMAO
I could never argue with that. American's are the best at everything...

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mxgeoff wrote:
Well, most people didn't know at the GP. Believe me, I asked probably 10 of the top journalists and also many team managers. it was news...
Well, most people didn't know at the GP. Believe me, I asked probably 10 of the top journalists and also many team managers. it was news to them. Herlings didn't even know the age limit might be changed back. When I told him he was surprised.

Go figure. Maybe we are slow in Europe or something.

Geoff
prozach wrote:
So that proves it, Not only is our series better but so are our journalist!!! LMAO
mxgeoff wrote:
I could never argue with that. American's are the best at everything...
You can't help it... can you?... Do you feel slick now that you made this backhanded statement... I can't/don't believe you are an industry player... 1st you are not very level headed... 2nd you have a problem understanding/interpreting facts... you might be a fan, but, I question you being an industry participant... Your arguments are the ramblings that result in a short lived career... That is why your expert view, opinion and authority is always in question and disrespected... Not the part of the world that you come from, as you like to spew on here and have others believe... On the record, I doubt your story, and your claims... too many holes...

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I heard 90% chance is changes. For the GP people it doesn't make any difference. We are happy if they stay here all year. I think...
I heard 90% chance is changes. For the GP people it doesn't make any difference. We are happy if they stay here all year. I think it would be the American's loss to not see Roczen and Herlings race SX in America. For us it doesnt really matter.
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oh, i agree! i hope they change the rule as we have tons of amatuers here that could do well. and with Ken and herlings expressing...
oh, i agree! i hope they change the rule as we have tons of amatuers here that could do well. and with Ken and herlings expressing so much interest in racing here, our series could continue to grow. heck, maybe they could add a few SX rounds over in Spain, France and England to give the euro fans a chance to witness a true supercross!
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I would love that, only problem they tried that with a bunch of leading AMA Supercross riders, raced in Spain, Holland and I think Switzerland, all...
I would love that, only problem they tried that with a bunch of leading AMA Supercross riders, raced in Spain, Holland and I think Switzerland, all rounds had poor attendance.

Seems the yanks are not the only ones who like their own thing.

Geoff
I think I finally agree with you on something Geoff. I don't know why its so hard to figure out that the US and Europe are two different markets. The only mixing of the two markets that seems to work is the MXDN and the few riders who want to try their hand at the other market. Some do well some dont.

The Americans will always say they have the better riders and same of Euros and the Gp riders. Once a year we get together and have fun and thats really the way it should be. We arn't trying to take over the Euro market and vice versa.
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eddie 6/27/2010 11:19am
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Guy B., it's this week's talking points from Geoff's boss, even though this isn't news in that Ken mentioned it a month ago, and his parents...
Guy B., it's this week's talking points from Geoff's boss, even though this isn't news in that Ken mentioned it a month ago, and his parents want him to stay in Europe and honor his contract with Teka Suzuki for one more year.... I think the kid is doing the right thing, just like Pourcel did in 2007: come here and ride some SX, get a solid deal for the future, go back to Europe and honor your existing contracts, then make your move.

But those parts are not part of this week's talking points that Geoff has to follow. Besides, a journalist would know that this wasn't really news a month ago either, just the nature of modern-day motocross. And until the rule changes, if it changes, it's a moot point anyway, though that won't stop Geoff from doing the job he's paid to do here.

And do you know who is AMA only in 2011? Steve Matthes.

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so you are calling out geoff for doing the exact same thing that cox does ? now there is some irony . the pathetic thing is that coombs , cox , meyer and gibberson dare to call themselves journalists . the brand of "journalism" that the four of you practice , ranks right up there with this guy . a joke .





journalists my ass ..... nothing but agenda pushers .
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Guy B., it's this week's talking points from Geoff's boss, even though this isn't news in that Ken mentioned it a month ago, and his parents...
Guy B., it's this week's talking points from Geoff's boss, even though this isn't news in that Ken mentioned it a month ago, and his parents want him to stay in Europe and honor his contract with Teka Suzuki for one more year.... I think the kid is doing the right thing, just like Pourcel did in 2007: come here and ride some SX, get a solid deal for the future, go back to Europe and honor your existing contracts, then make your move.

But those parts are not part of this week's talking points that Geoff has to follow. Besides, a journalist would know that this wasn't really news a month ago either, just the nature of modern-day motocross. And until the rule changes, if it changes, it's a moot point anyway, though that won't stop Geoff from doing the job he's paid to do here.

And do you know who is AMA only in 2011? Steve Matthes.

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eddie wrote:
so you are calling out geoff for doing the exact same thing that cox does ? now there is some irony . the pathetic thing is...
so you are calling out geoff for doing the exact same thing that cox does ? now there is some irony . the pathetic thing is that coombs , cox , meyer and gibberson dare to call themselves journalists . the brand of "journalism" that the four of you practice , ranks right up there with this guy . a joke .





journalists my ass ..... nothing but agenda pushers .
So your surprised that guys are going to be biased toward the series that they follow wether that be the US or the Euro? Your abilitly to state the obvious is amazing! Human beings are always going to have a bias no matter how big or small the issue so get off your soap box. Relax its motocross not government politics V.
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Um he mentions the fact he wants to race in the US in this video back in 2008 and so does Herlings...so expect him there too.

Old news is good news

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Eddie, I haven't done my best to make any other series look bad or lesser in comparison. Thats my point, not the total objectivity (or lack thereof) for anyone in this very smakk, very intertwined racing deal. And this is an enthusiasts sport, not true politics. It matters, but it's not the end of the world when things get sideways... As for Cox, he's written whatever the hell he wants for us, always has and always will. And Steve Giberson may be the most level-headed, even-keeled person in the sport, but he's never worked for Racer X or MX Sports, or I assume Youthstream.

Geoff and I get along well, but when he starts going off on how much better things are over there, I just feel the need to defend our series and our programs over here. I'm not out to take over the world with my own "worldwide future" but the guys over there apparently are, and it appears to me that Geoff is doing his best to stir things up, where and when he can... And that means here. Good thing he's so obvious about it.

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As far as I know, the age rule has not changed. The bear is not dead, but some guys sell the bears fur already.

For what reason should the lawmaker kill the age rule after only one year of excistence?

So far only a few journalists making rumors for their own popularity

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so you are calling out geoff for doing the exact same thing that cox does ? now there is some irony . the pathetic thing is...
so you are calling out geoff for doing the exact same thing that cox does ? now there is some irony . the pathetic thing is that coombs , cox , meyer and gibberson dare to call themselves journalists . the brand of "journalism" that the four of you practice , ranks right up there with this guy . a joke .





journalists my ass ..... nothing but agenda pushers .
Journalists have always been taking side, since the first journals existed. Whether you call them journalists or reporters, it's nothing new to our sport or our generation. They have always written things to back up their ideas, beliefs, religions, political views or teams.
Same in MX.
Big difference here is that GuyB is not working for anyone else than Vital and Cox is working mostly for Racer X and is not hiding his dislike of some of the way things are done in FIM MX and he is not coming on here to start controversial threads with the objective to attract attention to "his" favorite series or try to show how bad it is in the other one.

Funny that some need to do that though, keep the threads about Youthstream's series in the topics and first page of forums like Vital.

As far as what is a journalist, what is a reporter, what is a columnist or an editorialist, things have evolved since we've entered the 21st century and the domination of Internet media.
DanDunes818 6/27/2010 1:33pm
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Wow.. Guiseppe "The crafty italian" is really stirring things up isn't he?. Don't blame Geoff he's just the messenger. Sure Ken's been saying that's what he wanted to do for months but that doesn't mean Geoff can't report it may be as soon as 2011. I for one hope it is. And if there ends up being SX/GP teams I'm all for it. Friendly competition brings out the best in everything so I don't see why competition wouldn't do the same for the world of MX.
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mxgeoff 6/27/2010 3:34pm
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Eddie, I haven't done my best to make any other series look bad or lesser in comparison. Thats my point, not the total objectivity (or lack...
Eddie, I haven't done my best to make any other series look bad or lesser in comparison. Thats my point, not the total objectivity (or lack thereof) for anyone in this very smakk, very intertwined racing deal. And this is an enthusiasts sport, not true politics. It matters, but it's not the end of the world when things get sideways... As for Cox, he's written whatever the hell he wants for us, always has and always will. And Steve Giberson may be the most level-headed, even-keeled person in the sport, but he's never worked for Racer X or MX Sports, or I assume Youthstream.

Geoff and I get along well, but when he starts going off on how much better things are over there, I just feel the need to defend our series and our programs over here. I'm not out to take over the world with my own "worldwide future" but the guys over there apparently are, and it appears to me that Geoff is doing his best to stir things up, where and when he can... And that means here. Good thing he's so obvious about it.

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DC,

What did I say to make the AMA series look bad. I never said that. I think the AMA series rules.

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mxgeoff 6/27/2010 3:37pm
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Guy B., it's this week's talking points from Geoff's boss, even though this isn't news in that Ken mentioned it a month ago, and his parents...
Guy B., it's this week's talking points from Geoff's boss, even though this isn't news in that Ken mentioned it a month ago, and his parents want him to stay in Europe and honor his contract with Teka Suzuki for one more year.... I think the kid is doing the right thing, just like Pourcel did in 2007: come here and ride some SX, get a solid deal for the future, go back to Europe and honor your existing contracts, then make your move.

But those parts are not part of this week's talking points that Geoff has to follow. Besides, a journalist would know that this wasn't really news a month ago either, just the nature of modern-day motocross. And until the rule changes, if it changes, it's a moot point anyway, though that won't stop Geoff from doing the job he's paid to do here.

And do you know who is AMA only in 2011? Steve Matthes.

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eddie wrote:
so you are calling out geoff for doing the exact same thing that cox does ? now there is some irony . the pathetic thing is...
so you are calling out geoff for doing the exact same thing that cox does ? now there is some irony . the pathetic thing is that coombs , cox , meyer and gibberson dare to call themselves journalists . the brand of "journalism" that the four of you practice , ranks right up there with this guy . a joke .





journalists my ass ..... nothing but agenda pushers .
Overdrive wrote:
So your surprised that guys are going to be biased toward the series that they follow wether that be the US or the Euro? Your abilitly...
So your surprised that guys are going to be biased toward the series that they follow wether that be the US or the Euro? Your abilitly to state the obvious is amazing! Human beings are always going to have a bias no matter how big or small the issue so get off your soap box. Relax its motocross not government politics V.
I am 100% not a journalist, never have been, never will be. My schooling made sure of that. I am just a fan who makes a living from the sport writing stuff about riders.

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I must have missed the part about who he will riding for? Suzuki US is broke.
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I must have missed the part about who he will riding for? Suzuki US is broke.
they're gonna have TEKA, an euro sponsor (...), as a very BIG supporter of the team next year
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mxgeoff 6/28/2010 11:50am
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Um he mentions the fact he wants to race in the US in this video back in 2008 and so does Herlings...so expect him there too...
Um he mentions the fact he wants to race in the US in this video back in 2008 and so does Herlings...so expect him there too.

Old news is good news

Chussy,

It isn't news he wants to go to America, it's news that he wants to stay racing MX in Europe. Everyone has always known he wanted to race in USA eventually.

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Bump

Ha ha just helping Geoff keep this dying thread alive.

How does that Bullshit that jiff fed you taste Chussy ?
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Hey Geoff who pays you?

I know you said you're a free lancer but who do you get your checks from?
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Bump

Ha ha just helping Geoff keep this dying thread alive.

How does that Bullshit that jiff fed you taste Chussy ?
I dont know 500guy I dont listen to any bullshit I take things how they are...

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chussy wrote:
Um he mentions the fact he wants to race in the US in this video back in 2008 and so does Herlings...so expect him there too...
Um he mentions the fact he wants to race in the US in this video back in 2008 and so does Herlings...so expect him there too.

Old news is good news

mxgeoff wrote:
Chussy, It isn't news he wants to go to America, it's news that he wants to stay racing MX in Europe. Everyone has always known he...
Chussy,

It isn't news he wants to go to America, it's news that he wants to stay racing MX in Europe. Everyone has always known he wanted to race in USA eventually.

Geoff
HAHA, wants to stay in europe? Thats a good one! He has to stay there. He has a contract he has to honor. We got Pourcel, Searle, Rattray and Musquin, and we will soon have Roczen, Herlings, and Paulin fulltime as well. We will also continue to take your top talent so they can chase thier dreams of an AMA title. Look at it this way, you get to keep Cairoli who actually "wants" to stay in europe like Everts did. That way GP fans can have something to be hyped about when the MXDN comes to see how your best does against our best that never raced against each other.
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i would rather someone rip my toe nails off with a pair or clamps than hear about the US Nat's vs the GP's.

this is so stupid.
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Didnt read everyone's post so this may hve already beenn said but he will not be racing SX in 2011. He is too you. I beleive he just will still not be 18 by the time A1 rolls aaround. I thiunk he is still 16 or maybe just turned 17.
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mxgeoff 6/28/2010 1:37pm
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Hey Geoff who pays you?

I know you said you're a free lancer but who do you get your checks from?
Probably around 10 clients. Want me to name them all???
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mxgeoff 6/28/2010 1:39pm
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Um he mentions the fact he wants to race in the US in this video back in 2008 and so does Herlings...so expect him there too...
Um he mentions the fact he wants to race in the US in this video back in 2008 and so does Herlings...so expect him there too.

Old news is good news

mxgeoff wrote:
Chussy, It isn't news he wants to go to America, it's news that he wants to stay racing MX in Europe. Everyone has always known he...
Chussy,

It isn't news he wants to go to America, it's news that he wants to stay racing MX in Europe. Everyone has always known he wanted to race in USA eventually.

Geoff
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HAHA, wants to stay in europe? Thats a good one! He has to stay there. He has a contract he has to honor. We got Pourcel...
HAHA, wants to stay in europe? Thats a good one! He has to stay there. He has a contract he has to honor. We got Pourcel, Searle, Rattray and Musquin, and we will soon have Roczen, Herlings, and Paulin fulltime as well. We will also continue to take your top talent so they can chase thier dreams of an AMA title. Look at it this way, you get to keep Cairoli who actually "wants" to stay in europe like Everts did. That way GP fans can have something to be hyped about when the MXDN comes to see how your best does against our best that never raced against each other.
Maybe you need to read www.mxlarge.com more often. Some comments from Roczen about staying in Europe. He doesn't want to race the Nationals, isn't his dream, Supercross is.
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Chussy, It isn't news he wants to go to America, it's news that he wants to stay racing MX in Europe. Everyone has always known he...
Chussy,

It isn't news he wants to go to America, it's news that he wants to stay racing MX in Europe. Everyone has always known he wanted to race in USA eventually.

Geoff
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HAHA, wants to stay in europe? Thats a good one! He has to stay there. He has a contract he has to honor. We got Pourcel...
HAHA, wants to stay in europe? Thats a good one! He has to stay there. He has a contract he has to honor. We got Pourcel, Searle, Rattray and Musquin, and we will soon have Roczen, Herlings, and Paulin fulltime as well. We will also continue to take your top talent so they can chase thier dreams of an AMA title. Look at it this way, you get to keep Cairoli who actually "wants" to stay in europe like Everts did. That way GP fans can have something to be hyped about when the MXDN comes to see how your best does against our best that never raced against each other.
mxgeoff wrote:
Maybe you need to read www.mxlarge.com more often. Some comments from Roczen about staying in Europe. He doesn't want to race the Nationals, isn't his dream...
Maybe you need to read www.mxlarge.com more often. Some comments from Roczen about staying in Europe. He doesn't want to race the Nationals, isn't his dream, Supercross is.
yawn, ok, we will see about that Whistling
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HAHA, wants to stay in europe? Thats a good one! He has to stay there. He has a contract he has to honor. We got Pourcel...
HAHA, wants to stay in europe? Thats a good one! He has to stay there. He has a contract he has to honor. We got Pourcel, Searle, Rattray and Musquin, and we will soon have Roczen, Herlings, and Paulin fulltime as well. We will also continue to take your top talent so they can chase thier dreams of an AMA title. Look at it this way, you get to keep Cairoli who actually "wants" to stay in europe like Everts did. That way GP fans can have something to be hyped about when the MXDN comes to see how your best does against our best that never raced against each other.
mxgeoff wrote:
Maybe you need to read www.mxlarge.com more often. Some comments from Roczen about staying in Europe. He doesn't want to race the Nationals, isn't his dream...
Maybe you need to read www.mxlarge.com more often. Some comments from Roczen about staying in Europe. He doesn't want to race the Nationals, isn't his dream, Supercross is.
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yawn, ok, we will see about that Whistling
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....
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Why is there always a competition between the two series?! They are not comparable except in standard. Overall The AMA series and riders are not better than the GPs it is pretty equal they have different specialities needed to win each series because one is a national title and one is an international title - but fast is fast why not enjoy have two great series instead of one?

They are totally different the name of the series tells you that.. as does the schedule of each event on the weekend.

On a personal level I think it is great that international riders race in the AMA it makes it that much better to watch just as having international riders in the British series help it as well.. it is all motocross.

The GPs will always be unique no matter who goes where and the fact is most top international riders will remain in the GP like they always have, only a small percentage race the nationals.. and the AMA nationals will always keep the most of the US riders don't want to race and live outside their own country... so both series will remain great...which is good for any fan that watches both with equal interest...




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phudsport 6/28/2010 1:56pm
6/28/2010 1:56pm
SMITH201 wrote:
HAHA, wants to stay in europe? Thats a good one! He has to stay there. He has a contract he has to honor. We got Pourcel...
HAHA, wants to stay in europe? Thats a good one! He has to stay there. He has a contract he has to honor. We got Pourcel, Searle, Rattray and Musquin, and we will soon have Roczen, Herlings, and Paulin fulltime as well. We will also continue to take your top talent so they can chase thier dreams of an AMA title. Look at it this way, you get to keep Cairoli who actually "wants" to stay in europe like Everts did. That way GP fans can have something to be hyped about when the MXDN comes to see how your best does against our best that never raced against each other.
mxgeoff wrote:
Maybe you need to read www.mxlarge.com more often. Some comments from Roczen about staying in Europe. He doesn't want to race the Nationals, isn't his dream...
Maybe you need to read www.mxlarge.com more often. Some comments from Roczen about staying in Europe. He doesn't want to race the Nationals, isn't his dream, Supercross is.
SMITH201 wrote:
yawn, ok, we will see about that Whistling
Meyer seems right according to this recent CN interview with the German:

http://www.cyclenews.com/articles/motocross/2010/05/28/meet-mxgp-star-k…

You obviously have a long career ahead of you; do you see yourself coming to the United States?
Of course. The age limit is still up to 18 so I can just hope that they change it and as soon as they change it I will come over to ride some Supercross races, for sure.

So that’s the biggest thing you want to do, come over here and ride Supercross?
Yeah, for sure. Not to ride the outdoor season [in America] because I want to ride the GPs. Only for Supercross because it is something special here.

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