Did you see how bad that 350 got worked on the start ?

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JackLHyde 6/27/2010 8:53am
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Why are you so bitter about the 350? You come over as personally hurt. Like a kid that gets his candy stolen.
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JackLHyde wrote:
Why are you so bitter about the 350? You come over as personally hurt. Like a kid that gets his candy stolen.
Why are you sucking the last drop of jizz on a bike that isn't that great ?

KTM fettish ?
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JackLHyde wrote:
Why are you so bitter about the 350? You come over as personally hurt. Like a kid that gets his candy stolen.
500guy wrote:
Why are you sucking the last drop of jizz on a bike that isn't that great ?

KTM fettish ?
Whats your deal Jay? You have been a little bitch since the beginning of the outdoors.

Did Your wife leave you, Dog die. What????
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JackLHyde wrote:
Why are you so bitter about the 350? You come over as personally hurt. Like a kid that gets his candy stolen.
500guy wrote:
Why are you sucking the last drop of jizz on a bike that isn't that great ?

KTM fettish ?
RMZreborn wrote:
Whats your deal Jay? You have been a little bitch since the beginning of the outdoors.

Did Your wife leave you, Dog die. What????
Har

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kongols 6/27/2010 9:18am
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I just got home from GP of Latvia and I didn`t see anything bad in performance of 350. Cairoli was going insides, outsides, doesn`t matter- bike was pulling great. He was doing combos that 450 with all that power was only dreaming of pulling off.
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JackLHyde 6/27/2010 9:21am
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JackLHyde wrote:
Why are you so bitter about the 350? You come over as personally hurt. Like a kid that gets his candy stolen.
500guy wrote:
Why are you sucking the last drop of jizz on a bike that isn't that great ?

KTM fettish ?
Not at all Jay. I'm just a rider that could benefit from a 350. But guess what? Until a week ago I considered buying it, but I won't.
What if Yamaha would have come up with the 350 instead of their rearfacing engine design? Would people interested in the 350 idea have a Yamaha fetish then?
panic revver 6/27/2010 9:21am
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kongols wrote:
I just got home from GP of Latvia and I didn`t see anything bad in performance of 350. Cairoli was going insides, outsides, doesn`t matter- bike...
I just got home from GP of Latvia and I didn`t see anything bad in performance of 350. Cairoli was going insides, outsides, doesn`t matter- bike was pulling great. He was doing combos that 450 with all that power was only dreaming of pulling off.
So the 450 can't do combos that a 350 can? What type of combos? Any video? I just don't see how a bike with less power that weighs the same would be able to do that.
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kongols 6/27/2010 9:27am
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kongols wrote:
I just got home from GP of Latvia and I didn`t see anything bad in performance of 350. Cairoli was going insides, outsides, doesn`t matter- bike...
I just got home from GP of Latvia and I didn`t see anything bad in performance of 350. Cairoli was going insides, outsides, doesn`t matter- bike was pulling great. He was doing combos that 450 with all that power was only dreaming of pulling off.
panic revver wrote:
So the 450 can't do combos that a 350 can? What type of combos? Any video? I just don't see how a bike with less power...
So the 450 can't do combos that a 350 can? What type of combos? Any video? I just don't see how a bike with less power that weighs the same would be able to do that.
I believe it has something to do with a person riding it. Always.
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panic revver wrote:
So the 450 can't do combos that a 350 can? What type of combos? Any video? I just don't see how a bike with less power...
So the 450 can't do combos that a 350 can? What type of combos? Any video? I just don't see how a bike with less power that weighs the same would be able to do that.
Dude, what's with demanding videos, and other "evidence" all time? WTF Judge Judy?
panic revver 6/27/2010 9:36am
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kongols wrote:
I just got home from GP of Latvia and I didn`t see anything bad in performance of 350. Cairoli was going insides, outsides, doesn`t matter- bike...
I just got home from GP of Latvia and I didn`t see anything bad in performance of 350. Cairoli was going insides, outsides, doesn`t matter- bike was pulling great. He was doing combos that 450 with all that power was only dreaming of pulling off.
panic revver wrote:
So the 450 can't do combos that a 350 can? What type of combos? Any video? I just don't see how a bike with less power...
So the 450 can't do combos that a 350 can? What type of combos? Any video? I just don't see how a bike with less power that weighs the same would be able to do that.
kongols wrote:
I believe it has something to do with a person riding it. Always.
So the person riding it could have done it on a 450, right?
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kongols wrote:
I just got home from GP of Latvia and I didn`t see anything bad in performance of 350. Cairoli was going insides, outsides, doesn`t matter- bike...
I just got home from GP of Latvia and I didn`t see anything bad in performance of 350. Cairoli was going insides, outsides, doesn`t matter- bike was pulling great. He was doing combos that 450 with all that power was only dreaming of pulling off.
panic revver wrote:
So the 450 can't do combos that a 350 can? What type of combos? Any video? I just don't see how a bike with less power...
So the 450 can't do combos that a 350 can? What type of combos? Any video? I just don't see how a bike with less power that weighs the same would be able to do that.
And it was the section after those two table tops, nobody was jumping those waves like Cairoli did. I`m sure there will be torrent.
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kongols 6/27/2010 9:38am
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panic revver wrote:
So the 450 can't do combos that a 350 can? What type of combos? Any video? I just don't see how a bike with less power...
So the 450 can't do combos that a 350 can? What type of combos? Any video? I just don't see how a bike with less power that weighs the same would be able to do that.
kongols wrote:
I believe it has something to do with a person riding it. Always.
panic revver wrote:
So the person riding it could have done it on a 450, right?
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panic revver 6/27/2010 9:39am
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panic revver wrote:
So the 450 can't do combos that a 350 can? What type of combos? Any video? I just don't see how a bike with less power...
So the 450 can't do combos that a 350 can? What type of combos? Any video? I just don't see how a bike with less power that weighs the same would be able to do that.
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Dude, what's with demanding videos, and other "evidence" all time? WTF Judge Judy?
Dude, what's with demanding videos, and other "evidence" all time? WTF Judge Judy?
I wanted top see what he was talking about. Trust issue I guess. Sad to say I don't believe many on here. Too much idiocy and bullshit.

All the time? Demanding? Really? If I said prove it I am sure you would say something about me saying that too I am sure. Stalker?
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Masonry 6/27/2010 9:40am
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If the 350 could carry more speed around the bowl turn leading up to the obstacle why couldn't it do the obstacle?
panic revver 6/27/2010 9:40am
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kongols wrote:
I just got home from GP of Latvia and I didn`t see anything bad in performance of 350. Cairoli was going insides, outsides, doesn`t matter- bike...
I just got home from GP of Latvia and I didn`t see anything bad in performance of 350. Cairoli was going insides, outsides, doesn`t matter- bike was pulling great. He was doing combos that 450 with all that power was only dreaming of pulling off.
panic revver wrote:
So the 450 can't do combos that a 350 can? What type of combos? Any video? I just don't see how a bike with less power...
So the 450 can't do combos that a 350 can? What type of combos? Any video? I just don't see how a bike with less power that weighs the same would be able to do that.
kongols wrote:
And it was the section after those two table tops, nobody was jumping those waves like Cairoli did. I`m sure there will be torrent.
Sweet. I will look for it in a couple days.
panic revver 6/27/2010 9:42am
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Masonry wrote:
If the 350 could carry more speed around the bowl turn leading up to the obstacle why couldn't it do the obstacle?
Dunno. You tell me. Are you saying the 350 carries more speed in bowl turns?
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Masonry 6/27/2010 9:44am
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Masonry wrote:
If the 350 could carry more speed around the bowl turn leading up to the obstacle why couldn't it do the obstacle?
panic revver wrote:
Dunno. You tell me. Are you saying the 350 carries more speed in bowl turns?
If it has a 250 chassis like I think I have heard (I could be wrong) it is probably easier to handle in those turns.

And to the point of your argument, lets just say that Cairoli isn't riding the same "350" as Alessi anyways.
panic revver 6/27/2010 9:47am
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Masonry wrote:
If the 350 could carry more speed around the bowl turn leading up to the obstacle why couldn't it do the obstacle?
panic revver wrote:
Dunno. You tell me. Are you saying the 350 carries more speed in bowl turns?
Masonry wrote:
If it has a 250 chassis like I think I have heard (I could be wrong) it is probably easier to handle in those turns. And...
If it has a 250 chassis like I think I have heard (I could be wrong) it is probably easier to handle in those turns.

And to the point of your argument, lets just say that Cairoli isn't riding the same "350" as Alessi anyways.
Dunno about the chassis. I thought it had it's own, all new chassis. Still weighs as much or more than the 450's.

They aren't on the same 350's????

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Faceaz 6/27/2010 9:51am
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500guy wrote:
Damm talk about getting out horse powered.

We all know it wasn't the reaction time by Alessi
Your logic is as old school as thinking: the drag car that can spin it's tires & peel out the farthest, is the fastest. In reality all the top fuel cars have plenty of power & it's how they manage putting the power to the ground that makes them the fastest.

A motocross bike is the same way, you can only spin the tire so fast before it becomes inefective. So why not give up the possible excess & take advantage of a lighter feeling bike, which is less tiring?
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500guy 6/27/2010 9:58am
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500guy wrote:
Damm talk about getting out horse powered.

We all know it wasn't the reaction time by Alessi
Faceaz wrote:
Your logic is as old school as thinking: the drag car that can spin it's tires & peel out the farthest, is the fastest. In reality...
Your logic is as old school as thinking: the drag car that can spin it's tires & peel out the farthest, is the fastest. In reality all the top fuel cars have plenty of power & it's how they manage putting the power to the ground that makes them the fastest.

A motocross bike is the same way, you can only spin the tire so fast before it becomes inefective. So why not give up the possible excess & take advantage of a lighter feeling bike, which is less tiring?
Yes Top Fuel Dragsters are currently trying to figure out how to go faster and have less Power.

"Not"
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RMZreborn 6/27/2010 10:05am
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500guy wrote:
Why are you sucking the last drop of jizz on a bike that isn't that great ?

KTM fettish ?
RMZreborn wrote:
Whats your deal Jay? You have been a little bitch since the beginning of the outdoors.

Did Your wife leave you, Dog die. What????
500guy wrote:
Har
Har!!!! That sounds like the old mototalk Jay there. I liked that guy much better than the Vital 500guy.Laughing
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Faceaz 6/27/2010 10:09am
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500guy wrote:
Damm talk about getting out horse powered.

We all know it wasn't the reaction time by Alessi
Faceaz wrote:
Your logic is as old school as thinking: the drag car that can spin it's tires & peel out the farthest, is the fastest. In reality...
Your logic is as old school as thinking: the drag car that can spin it's tires & peel out the farthest, is the fastest. In reality all the top fuel cars have plenty of power & it's how they manage putting the power to the ground that makes them the fastest.

A motocross bike is the same way, you can only spin the tire so fast before it becomes inefective. So why not give up the possible excess & take advantage of a lighter feeling bike, which is less tiring?
500guy wrote:
Yes Top Fuel Dragsters are currently trying to figure out how to go faster and have less Power.

"Not"
They're trying to figure out how to put 8,000 hp to the ground without losing traction. Not how much faster can we go if we had 8,010 hp.

Finding more power isn't their big priority, same is widely said about tuning 450's for the pro riders. They know how to get the power, it's getting it the ground that's more important.
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500guy wrote:
Yes Top Fuel Dragsters are currently trying to figure out how to go faster and have less Power.

"Not"
When drag strips have whoop sections, jumps, or even a turn or two...that comparison might makes some sort of sense. Until then...."not".
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yamazuki 6/27/2010 11:50am
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500guy wrote:
Damm talk about getting out horse powered.

We all know it wasn't the reaction time by Alessi
Faceaz wrote:
Your logic is as old school as thinking: the drag car that can spin it's tires & peel out the farthest, is the fastest. In reality...
Your logic is as old school as thinking: the drag car that can spin it's tires & peel out the farthest, is the fastest. In reality all the top fuel cars have plenty of power & it's how they manage putting the power to the ground that makes them the fastest.

A motocross bike is the same way, you can only spin the tire so fast before it becomes inefective. So why not give up the possible excess & take advantage of a lighter feeling bike, which is less tiring?
The bike weight is about the same so you are saying less horse power goes faster. Ok, using your logic you take a 450, set the EFF and timing to produce less horse power. Wahlah, a faster machine. You don't need to lose 100 cc's to do that. The only advantage I could see to handling from a bike that weighs the same is less rotational mass. but even then, the difference between the piston size and weight of a 450 and a 350 is pretty small and the ligher "feeling" comes from lighter bike.

"So why not give up the possible excess & take advantage of a lighter feeling bike, which is less tiring?"

This may not apply to the AMA pros but everyone else, which bike would you buy, a bike that had to turn more rpm to get the horse power like a 250 or 450 that has the "excess" that is more reliable because it is not tuned to the exremes the smaller displacement bike. In fact, using your logic, you could make that 450 less powerful by detuning it to make it a faster bike and because it is not having to work as hard as a smalled displacement bike and make it even more reliable. The old XR400s were so mildly tuned they would last forever.

You logic doesn't make sense in the practical world. If there was some huge engine/frame weight difference because of displacement, great, but I am not seeing it. Perhaps we should just race 250Fs for everything. If the 350 had an advantage over the 450, then the 250 must have a similar advantage over the 350 by your logic, not only that, the 250 is actually lighter than the 350
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Ddavis 6/27/2010 1:17pm
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500guy wrote:
Damm talk about getting out horse powered.

We all know it wasn't the reaction time by Alessi
Mike doesn't get holeshots with his reaction time, he nails his shifting points perfect. Just saying.
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Mike can't work his way through traffic . Go look at the lap charts from yesterday . He passed about two riders , thats it .
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it really is amazing.................the bike has won, gotten top 5 starts all year and holeshotted more than once, but one or 2 bad starts and its a piece of underpowered crap...........the 250f's have better times than 450's but some of you still think its all about HP...............you guys are the slow ones at the track, visor pointed straight down, getting smoked by 250f's but brag about your BB 450..........
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500guy wrote:
Damm talk about getting out horse powered.

We all know it wasn't the reaction time by Alessi
Faceaz wrote:
Your logic is as old school as thinking: the drag car that can spin it's tires & peel out the farthest, is the fastest. In reality...
Your logic is as old school as thinking: the drag car that can spin it's tires & peel out the farthest, is the fastest. In reality all the top fuel cars have plenty of power & it's how they manage putting the power to the ground that makes them the fastest.

A motocross bike is the same way, you can only spin the tire so fast before it becomes inefective. So why not give up the possible excess & take advantage of a lighter feeling bike, which is less tiring?
yamazuki wrote:
The bike weight is about the same so you are saying less horse power goes faster. Ok, using your logic you take a 450, set the...
The bike weight is about the same so you are saying less horse power goes faster. Ok, using your logic you take a 450, set the EFF and timing to produce less horse power. Wahlah, a faster machine. You don't need to lose 100 cc's to do that. The only advantage I could see to handling from a bike that weighs the same is less rotational mass. but even then, the difference between the piston size and weight of a 450 and a 350 is pretty small and the ligher "feeling" comes from lighter bike.

"So why not give up the possible excess & take advantage of a lighter feeling bike, which is less tiring?"

This may not apply to the AMA pros but everyone else, which bike would you buy, a bike that had to turn more rpm to get the horse power like a 250 or 450 that has the "excess" that is more reliable because it is not tuned to the exremes the smaller displacement bike. In fact, using your logic, you could make that 450 less powerful by detuning it to make it a faster bike and because it is not having to work as hard as a smalled displacement bike and make it even more reliable. The old XR400s were so mildly tuned they would last forever.

You logic doesn't make sense in the practical world. If there was some huge engine/frame weight difference because of displacement, great, but I am not seeing it. Perhaps we should just race 250Fs for everything. If the 350 had an advantage over the 450, then the 250 must have a similar advantage over the 350 by your logic, not only that, the 250 is actually lighter than the 350
Would a CRF150 have a similar advantage over a CRF250. Wink

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